Speculations Is Wano Really Zoro’s Arc? The Difference Between a Broken Promise and an Unfulfilled Expectation.

Has Oda ever promised for Wano to be Zoro's arc?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 13.0%
  • No

    Votes: 85 69.1%
  • It was only foreshadowed

    Votes: 22 17.9%

  • Total voters
    123
I mean there's no way around it, Oda has done more for the development of Oden this arc than he has for Zoro since Sabaody at the least. Because we had that character forced on us, frankly my favorite parts of the flashback were Orochi making him twerk and boil.

It's not over but we're down to grasping straws. Hawkins was already dispatched by Law. Kyoshiro reappeared and skipped straight to Kinemon. Orochi has no idea who Zoro is and Yasu's revenge is probably better served by someone who really knew him. Hiyori is scheduled to be saved by someone else as Zoro is at sea. The three captains reunion is at work to destroy the ships and the one who sliced a ship first wasn't Zoro. The Killer fight hasn't had relevance.

So far he's responsible for the weapons from Ringo, which is nice, and Enma is kind of a big deal. But all we can really expect is that he kicks ass... which isn't character progress. If he doesn't get more is one thing, if he doesn't beat King I will be seriously depressed.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Future sight allows you to look into the Future to see shat your opponent is going to do. Snakeman makes luffy much faster and faster attack speed. It also gets faster over time.
Very good, correct. High attack speed is what Snakeman provides.
What happens when FS user intervenes based on the future he saw?
 
There's way too much going on in Wano for anyone to reasonably expect Wano to be 'Zoro's arc'. He will have more focus than usual though. Which he has been really.

Compare Wano to every other arc post-TS, when have we followed Zoro's separate journey to this degree? He's been going on a journey completely separated from any other SH since he split from Luffy and we've followed it, can't really say that for many other arcs.

And the characters that he's encountered have turned out to be crucial to the arc's plot. He has a princess he didn't ask for. He's received a power-up and finished the last act paralleled with Luffy, and the power-up he's received is directly connected to the arc's plot also.

We've received hints about his backstory which will obviously be expanded upon, and in terms of his importance to the arc thus far, he secured the weapons the Samurai needed to fight.

Considering that Zoro usually only ever has any particular focus when the battles start, to have this much focus before the battles start is promising.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
The Future gets changed. FS can be used to hit someone before they even move or where they going to dodge. Luffy was getting fustrated because Katakuri kept hitting him before he could even move.
Yes and once changed he no longer sees the future until he re-sees it again while Snakeman is sending hits at high frequency and most of them acting normally, not based on FS because he cant track the future at the pace at which Snakeman sends hits - not compatible.
If he had FS against Katakuri why didnt he dodge first Diced Mochi?
 
Yes and once changed he no longer sees the future until he re-sees it again while Snakeman is sending hits at high frequency and most of them acting normally, not based on FS because he cant track the future at the pace at which Snakeman sends hits - not compatible.
If he had FS against Katakuri why didnt he dodge first Diced Mochi?
What you just said nade no sense. He can track the future at that pace. Katakuri dodged multiple snakeman attacks. He didn't dodge Dice movhi because they both using FS. This is why the end of the fight they hit each other around the same amount of times.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
What you just said nade no sense. He can track the future at that pace. Katakuri dodged multiple snakeman attacks. He didn't dodge Dice movhi because they both using FS. This is why the end of the fight they hit each other around the same amount of times.
From start to finish, Katakuri was wrecking him more.
It makes complete sense what I just said. Katakuri who is master of FS and has it up permanently couldnt keep up the pace with Snakeman's frequency and unpredictability and you claim that Luffy who isnt master of FS can do better?

From the moment of intervention, future sight is "blind" and acts normally just like without FS. He has never demonstrated high up-time of FS, Katakuri even says that. Snakeman can constantly send hits while his FS is not constant, whether due to bad mastery or whether due to how it works and goes "blind" after intervention.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
Zoro doesn't have his coat
So... it's not his arc LOL

Luffy has his coat
Sanji has a Germa Coat when he transforms

When Zoro gets his coat... that's when he's about to shine LOL.. so pray for the coat
Zoro's probably gonna go shirtless when he starts fighting anyways, like he did in FMI and PH against the dragon.

Oda was smart not giving him a coat he was just gonna take off later :smithnie:
 
Zoro was never set to be the main focus in Wano arc with Kaido and the Beast Pirates being here and all the focus on Oden and the Red Scabbards.
He has and will have his importance but that's it.
He hasn't been important. The problem is that you can even argue taking him out. Luffy and Kiku could have fought Hawkins, Yasu's path was already clear of enemies, Onimaru was already at Ringo if Killer showed up and Kawamatsu eventually surfaced, the fight with Kyoshiro was a wash, Enma and Shusui made an even swap... even if Ryuma shows up Klabautermann style it'll be after the arc.

WCI for comparison falls apart if you exclude Sanji.
 
From start to finish, Katakuri was wrecking him more.
It makes complete sense what I just said. Katakuri who is master of FS and has it up permanently couldnt keep up the pace with Snakeman's frequency and unpredictability and you claim that Luffy who isnt master of FS can do better?

From the moment of intervention, future sight is "blind" and acts normally just like without FS. He has never demonstrated high up-time of FS, Katakuri even says that. Snakeman can constantly send hits while his FS is not constant, whether due to bad mastery or whether due to how it works and goes "blind" after intervention.
This is a blantant lie. After Luffy got snake man they hit each other the same amount of times basically. Katakuri is literally seeing the future not predicting it. Learn how FS works before you talk to me bro. Katakuri never said that.
 
Zoro's probably gonna go shirtless when he starts fighting anyways, like he did in FMI and PH against the dragon.

Oda was smart not giving him a coat he was just gonna take off later :smithnie:
As a swordsman... having a coat can honestly give you many awesome tricks and options against your opponent.. it's sad Zoro doesn't use it

Cause you can direct your opponent attack at your clothes while your "body" slips away and dodges the attack

You can also use the cloak in a way to distract your enemy for your own attacks

I wished Oda makes Zoro utilize his clothes with his swordsmanship honestly... it's fucking awesome

To get a sense of what I'm talking about... Look at the fight between "Kyoraku Shunsui vs starrk" from Bleach at the VERY END when Kyorako throws his cloak blocking the view of the opponent who cuts the cloak.. ending with Kyoraku using the distraction to finish off Starrk

This is also something Oda used to do before at the VERY BEGINNING of One Piece... which is utilizing what you have for your fight... It's fucking brilliant...
Oda did that with both of Sanji and Ben Beckmann before with their cigarettes as both used their cigarettes in their fights..

Sanji threw his cigarettes at Gin to distract him for a counterattack
ben Beckmann used his cigarette against the thugs.. when he burned it into the face of the opponent..

It's honestly a creative and unique way to use things like "Clothes/Cigarettes/Gloves/Dress/LongHair/Lighter" or whatever accissories you are having for your battle.. It even gives that specific battle its own unique taste... Where it feels different and refreshing.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
This is a blantant lie. After Luffy got snake man they hit each other the same amount of times basically. Katakuri is literally seeing the future not predicting it. Learn how FS works before you talk to me bro. Katakuri never said that.
You should re-read the last part when Luffy goes Snakeman and Katakuri still owns him.
After intervention future changes, what he saw no longer is reality. You should learn how it actually works.
And you should re-read the part where Katakuri did say that Luffy's uptime is nowhere close to his.

After you have checked those parts we can continue the discussion because right now, you are basing your arguments on incorrect info.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
He hasn't been important. The problem is that you can even argue taking him out. Luffy and Kiku could have fought Hawkins, Yasu's path was already clear of enemies, Onimaru was already at Ringo if Killer showed up and Kawamatsu eventually surfaced, the fight with Kyoshiro was a wash, Enma and Shusui made an even swap... even if Ryuma shows up Klabautermann style it'll be after the arc.

WCI for comparison falls apart if you exclude Sanji.
The fuck would onimaru have done to stop killer killing hiyori
 
You should re-read the last part when Luffy goes Snakeman and Katakuri still owns him.
After intervention future changes, what he saw no longer is reality. You should learn how it actually works.
And you should re-read the part where Katakuri did say that Luffy's uptime is nowhere close to his.

After you have checked those parts we can continue the discussion because right now, you are basing your arguments on incorrect info.
1. He hits him


2. He sends him flying throw a wall

3. Katakuri does Dice Mochi

4. They hit each other a bunch of times here

And after that luffy did Blaxk mamba where he hits him in the side and Katakuri knees him. They finished by both landing finishing move. So no Katakuri wasn't dominating.
 
He hasn't been important. The problem is that you can even argue taking him out. Luffy and Kiku could have fought Hawkins, Yasu's path was already clear of enemies, Onimaru was already at Ringo if Killer showed up and Kawamatsu eventually surfaced, the fight with Kyoshiro was a wash, Enma and Shusui made an even swap... even if Ryuma shows up Klabautermann style it'll be after the arc.

WCI for comparison falls apart if you exclude Sanji.
You say Zoro hasn't been important yet he saved Oden's daughter. The story is written the way it is because Oda wrote it that way.

Based on your way of thinking Oda could have left out WCI and gave Sanji a different background story. He could have created another era to take place of WCI for Big Mom to be mad a Luffy.

Anyway, Zoro shines the most in combat and with possibly the biggest battle in the One Piece World approaching there he will receive even more focus. Everything Oda wrote about Zoro has lead to that point.

Just look at it. Since Zoro had his own adventure it lead to him meeting Yasuie, who we all know is a very respected individual in Wano, who hyped and bragged about Zoro skills. That lead to them heading to his village. They noticed he carries 3 full size swords and asked if that was part of an act. That's the second time a citizen of Wano has asked that, Ryuma was the other citizen. Very few people from Wano has seen his 3 sword style which will also allow people to easily recognize him.

That adventure lead to Zoro saving Hiyori who eventually gave him her father's sword. A sword that just happened to be created from the same person that created wado. That's no coincidence.

Let's not forget about the Ryuma connection that was hinted in the Official OP magazine.

Clearly, Zoro adventure and focus is not done.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
1. He hits him


2. He sends him flying throw a wall

3. Katakuri does Dice Mochi

4. They hit each other a bunch of times here

And after that luffy did Blaxk mamba where he hits him in the side and Katakuri knees him. They finished by both landing finishing move. So no Katakuri wasn't dominating.
Luffy got couple of hits in before Katakuri realized what's happening, sure. From that moment Katakuri dominates the fight, you can see on panels which you posted that Luffy lands 1 hit while Katakuri lands 2. He dances through his Black Mamba and impales him head-on. Diced Mochi wrecked Luffy more than all other Snakeman hits from Luffy combined did to Katakuri. Katakuri kept dominating the fight, it is clear.
 
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