Current Events Is Who's Who vs Jinbe really over?

Afroking

Afroking

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Herrera95 said:
Yes there is. First, at Enies Lobby I guess or when Lucci show up post timeskip he says something about carnivore zoans being stronger than other zoans. Then we have the Ancient Zoans being tougher than regular Zoans and also having better regen. I will look up where those statements comes from.
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Ferocious/Violent not stronger.

And there isn't.
All we have is the medical team how tough the ancient type is after P1 took a g3 punch and Ulti came to consciousness ,while clearly hurt she could still move,just fine.

Keep in mind that Luffy used the tough term for the endurance of Hody .
There is nothing about Ancient Zoans and regen explicitly mentioned.
 
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Herrera95

#102
#102
Human D Luffy said:
WsW's fingers got broken just by punching a jinbei that just hardened his skin. Jinbei way beyond WsW's league
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No dude, Who's Who was doing that before without having their fingers broken and damaging Jinbei. Jinbei haki got stronger only because he got mad. Non-sense. Jinbei was losing to Who's Who until got mad. Was the worst fight in manga.
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Afroking said:
Ferocious/Violent not stronger.

And there isn't.
All we have is the medical team how tough the ancient type is after P1 took a g3 punch and Ulti came to consciousness ,while clearly hurt she could still move,just fine.

Keep in mind that Luffy used the tough term for the endurance of Hody .
There is nothing about Ancient Zoans and regen explicitly mentioned.
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Yes I was wrong. Is ferocious/violent, the combat advantage is usually claws and sharp teeths not overall strength.
But Zoans as a whole give it users better stats. They are told to be the best in close combat since Enies Lobby and they only gets better by trainning.
No statement 100% clear about Ancients being better than regular zoans but many implyings on that. And overall Zoans makes the person stronger, tougher, faster etc.
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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#103
Regardless of how this topic is going, 1019 is going to be a pretty important chapter because it'll tell us generally how long Oda intends to spend on fights.

If it's done, Robin/Brook/Franky'a fights should take no more than than next 3-4 chapters together. If 1019 or even 1020 is still the fight, then prepare to spend the next 5-7 chapters following on just Sasaki and Black Maria, including mid chapter transitions for other characters. Unknown if P1 or Ulti are getting back up to give Nami/Usopp or even Chopper legit fights. We'll see.

I think the Calamity fights will be longer by default. 3-4 chapters minimum. There is a level of ferocity Oda has to show with characters their stature and level, so I think at least Queen and King are going to get long fights. Here's to hoping Jack gets a good one too.

Kaido and Big Mom are entirely going to take way longer, can't stress that enough. Not even sure about her crew anymore, and the Numbers are whatever.
 
Tyki_Mikk

Tyki_Mikk

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#108
#108
Brook helping Robin because alone Robin wouldn't take down BM. We see alone by Ulti that both Usopp and Nami couldn't duo anything, basically low diff. Ofc Robin and Brook are stronger,because that they don't need "Big mom" as nerf for Black Maria. They will go all put and defeat BM extrem high diff. Franky probably take with Denjiro, Sasaki down or he do it on himself with Shogun+New weapon.

WsW vs Jinbe can still continue, if not we basically get a way how much Oda going to spend on each flyer battle. 2-3 chapters at best.
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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playa4321 said:
Brook helping Robin because alone Robin wouldn't take down BM. We see alone by Ulti that both Usopp and Nami couldn't duo anything, basically low diff. Ofc Robin and Brook are stronger,because that they don't need "Big mom" as nerf for Black Maria. They will go all put and defeat BM extrem high diff. Franky probably take with Denjiro, Sasaki down or he do it on himself with Shogun+New weapon.

WsW vs Jinbe can still continue, if not we basically get a way how much Oda going to spend on each flyer battle. 2-3 chapters at best.
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Nami is on Ulti level now with her Zeus powerup
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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playa4321 said:
If Zeus was enough, Oda wouldn't let BM defeat Ulti or nerf her to 95%. Even zeus has is limit and nerf, Nami with powerup was simple not strong enough in Oda view otherwise he wouldn't nerf Ulti to a point where Nami could one shot her.
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What bothers me is that Oda gave Nami something new other than electricity before she got taken down by BM.

I do sort of hope that of she gets up, Zeus has a weakness that can be exploited (because he's not exactly tied to BM, there is a limitation to his power) and she is forced to take her out differently. Idk, let's see.
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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#112
#112
playa4321 said:
If Zeus was enough, Oda wouldn't let BM defeat Ulti or nerf her to 95%. Even zeus has is limit and nerf, Nami with powerup was simple not strong enough in Oda view otherwise he wouldn't nerf Ulti to a point where Nami could one shot her.
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Even before Zeus and BM showed up, Nami’s lightning was hurting Ulti enough to make her faceplant, and Zeus makes her attacks like 10x stronger. Even a fresh Ulti would be hurt a lot by Nami with Zeus. Nami and Zeus didn’t even use their ultimate technique against Ulti. Imagine if Nami and Zeus used the same attack they used in WCI against BM. Ulti would be evaporated
 
MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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Shiroyru said:
Even before Zeus and BM showed up, Nami’s lightning was hurting Ulti enough to make her faceplant, and Zeus makes her attacks like 10x stronger. Even a fresh Ulti would be hurt a lot by Nami with Zeus. Nami and Zeus didn’t even use their ultimate technique against Ulti. Imagine if Nami and Zeus used the same attack they used in WCI against BM. Ulti would be evaporated
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By the time nami completes preparation of that attck she will be K.O.ed already lol
 
Luffy is the mc

Luffy is the mc

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#114
#114
Broken fingers, snapped wrists, his main weapons were destroyed. Rankyaku was tanked like a mosquito bite by Jimbei, he even tried to run away, what the fuck is WW supposed to do more than what he already did after that?
He should be done. Bullshit power up or new power revealed aside (which everyone would be cool with btw).
 
Tyki_Mikk

Tyki_Mikk

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#115
Shiroyru said:
Even before Zeus and BM showed up, Nami’s lightning was hurting Ulti enough to make her faceplant, and Zeus makes her attacks like 10x stronger.
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But that is not enough and it will take 5-6hits probably to hurt real damage Ulti.
As we see Ulti could easily react to Nami,she was fast enough even though she was 95% nerfed.
In the moment when Ulti see Nami power, she dodge it in her nerfed form and even with zeus they barely beat her.
As I said if zeus as powerup was enough, he would give Nami a proper great battle like enies lobby like, where she use tactics and zeus help to beat Ulti in a extrem diff battle but that wasn´t the case.

With using Bm, Oda legit show that Nami and Usopp where not strong enough, even with a powerup like zeus.

Shiroyru said:
Nami and Zeus didn’t even use their ultimate technique against Ulti. Imagine if Nami and Zeus used the same attack they used in WCI against BM.
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Ulti is not slow, with 100% she could easily dodge Nami, she already could do it in nerfed form.
Ofc Nami has great Ap, but she lacks in other things, like speed,reaction speed, haki, endurance,stamina.
Yes Nami is now stronger, but how Oda portrayal the fight, I don´t know but I can´t see Nami winning even with Zeus.
The only chance: Ulti recover to 50-75% and fight Nami+zeus and get defeated again but I doubt Oda doing this.

Pageone is the only one who I could see to stand up again since because of Usopp statement, but I doubt Ulti standing up anymore.
Probably Ulti and Pageone are down for the end of the arc....(with I hate it a lot).
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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Luffy is the mc said:
Broken fingers, snapped wrists, his main weapons were destroyed. Rankyaku was tanked like a mosquito bite by Jimbei, he even tried to run away, what the fuck is WW supposed to do more than what he already did after that?
He should be done. Bullshit power up or new power revealed aside (which everyone would be cool with btw).
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Seimei Kikan technically translates to Life Restore/Return. While it's only been shown in limited applications (slimming the user down/controlling hair), Oda could use it in a more literally way.

Could WsW use it to restore broken bones? Could he use it to bend his fingers back in place? Only time will tell
 
Luffy is the mc

Luffy is the mc

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#119
#119
Paperchampion23 said:
Seimei Kikan technically translates to Life Restore/Return. While it's only been shown in limited applications (slimming the user down/controlling hair), Oda could use it in a more literally way.

Could WsW use it to restore broken bones? Could he use it to bend his fingers back in place? Only time will tell
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He tried to run away from Jimbei, he realized the gap between them once Jimbei got angry/serious.
Life return shouldn't fix broken bones and nullify damages, it would be too broken if so.
It really looked like that was Jimbei's finisher.
 
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