Questions & Mysteries Is Zoro overrated?

#81
If Luffy stood still like an idiot you mean.....And why in the seven hells would Luffy do that? In fact he only hit him this one time with that because his sister was being a lil' bitch and interefering with the fight, was he not?


By that logic anyone with a dagger has the power to one shot Luffy.
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The point is using a slow high powered attack that missed Kaido that could have done signifcant damage (not one shot since even nitoryu Oden with mastery over Enma could do that) to say Zoro can "one shot" Kaido is just as irrelevant.
Zoro has fast attacks that did no damage to Kaido in base and a slow powerful attack that Kaido could easily dodge. He has yet to show a fast attack as powerful as he needs it to be.
Kaido hasn't shown his hybrid form either.
 

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#82
We've seen Yonko Commanders hold back Admirals and Mihawk. How is Zoro going to demolish King?

Vista was holding back Zoro's EOS goal. King is even stronger.

Vista can't even hold back a serious current Zoro.

Mihawk was simply not taking things seriously at Marineford.
 

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#83
We've seen Yonko Commanders hold back Admirals and Mihawk. How is Zoro going to demolish King?

Vista was holding back Zoro's EOS goal. King is even stronger.

You mean Marco and Jozu. Not Vista, since Mihawk wasn't doing things seriously.

They are tanks so their case is different, they are "born" to stall.

King is not like them and Zoro is totally capable to tag him and strike him with one of his powerful moves. This chapter proved how potent his AP can be under the right attacks.
 
#86
The point is using a slow high powered attack that missed Kaido that could have done signifcant damage (not one shot since even nitoryu Oden with mastery over Enma could do that) to say Zoro can "one shot" Kaido is just as irrelevant.
Zoro has fast attacks that did no damage to Kaido in base and a slow powerful attack that Kaido could easily dodge. He has yet to show a fast attack as powerful as he needs it to be.
Kaido hasn't shown his hybrid form either.
Point is, FOR MONTHS people have been saying Zoro didnt had the AP to scratch Kaido....The goal post has been moved this chapter, like you people always do, i guess thats easier for the hater's pride than awknoledging you are wrong, huh? plus, its only one atack, do you expect everything everyone trows at the yonkos to hit? Is Big mom trash because she didnt kill anyone of importance with her ikoku sovereignty up till now?
 
#87
Point is, FOR MONTHS people have been saying Zoro didnt had the AP to scratch Kaido....The goal post has been moved this chapter, like you people always do, i guess its easier for your pride than awknoledging you are wrong, huh? plus, its only one atack, do you expect everything everyone trows at the yonkos to hit? Is Big mom trash because she didnt kill anyone of importance with her ikoku sovereignty up till now?
You guys act like Enma, which draws out way more Haki than a user can exude on their own, didn't play a factor in Zoro's last attack. The guy used up so much haki in one attack because of Enma, he could hardly breath. That's not something Zoro can do willingly, and without Enma.
 
#88
You guys act like Enma, which draws out way more Haki than a user can exude on their own, didn't play a factor in Zoro's last attack. The guy used up so much haki in one attack because of Enma, he could hardly breath. That's not something Zoro can do willingly, and without Enma.
Soo what? Its his damn Haki, not Oden's force ghost, or any kind of scret Oden haki storage that he's taking haki from.... why does that make it any less impressive and not his achievement but the sword's achievement? Its not like any idiot can just grab enma and use it, Zoro is the only one after Oden who is capable of using that thing! And nothing sugests he cant use that ammount of haki with other blades even if with enma's curse help.

Does Luffy, Kid and Law owning a DF make their feats not their own, but their DF's feats instead? Killer with normal scythes could also do what hes doing now? Are you not gonna say thats his "punishers" achievements instead of his own too?


BTW he can do it willingly, he can controll the ammount of Haki he wants to use with enma and only a fool would deny it after seeing last chapter.
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Take your L's and move on.
 
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#89
Soo what if he did it with the sword's help, anyway? Its his damn Haki.... why does that make it any less impressive and not his achievement but the sword's achievement? Its not like any idiot can just grab enma and use it, Zoro is the only one after Oden who is capable of using that thing!

Does Luffy, Kid and Law owning a DF make their feats not their own, but their DF's feats instead? Killer with normal schithes could also do what hes doing now? Are you not gonna say thats his "punishers" achievements instead of his own too?
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It's not "less impressive" but you guys are acting like Zoro does this casually on his own. Even got a thread saying "Zoro has the best AP on Wano" even over Kaido and Big Mom, which is utterly absurd. The fact of the matter is, the attack was that powerful because Enma damn near depleted Zoro of all his Haki, not because he's just too stronk. It's impressive that his haki is strong enough that if released in a massive quantity it is dangerous enough to make a Yonko dodge, but lets stop pretending like this is Zoro with every attack.
 
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#90
He's overrated

He is the only SN who hasn't hurt kaido on his own
He has landed zero attack on kaido solo. The first attack was a combo with Killer and the second was missed.

But all they care about is how he cut fire and the horn

The battle is about landing hits and winning not missing/cutting fire without doing damage to the opponent.

This is the problem with this fandom
Hyping the DC and whatever as long as it looks cool

They are ignoring that if the battle ends next chapter with Zoro Koed , zoro then did nothing on kaido.
Far worser than kinnemon who was landing hits not just cutting fire

Swordbois are the only ones to hype missed shots and gorgetting the actual battle outcome :
Mihawk cut iceberg but it was a missed shot since he failed to tag Luffy
Zoro gut the horn but it is a missed shot
What did it accomplish against the opponents? Nothing!

In a fight, destroying the wall is pointless if you can't connect or win.
 
#91
It's not "less impressive" but you guys are acting like Zoro does this casually on his own. Even got a thread saying "Zoro has the best AP on Wano" even over Kaido and Big Mom, which is utterly absurd. The fact of the matter is, the attack was that powerful because Enma damn near depleted Zoro of all his Haki, not because he's just too stronk. It's impressive that his haki is strong enough that if released in a massive quantity it is dangerous enough to make a Yonko dodge, but lets stop pretending like this is Zoro with every attack.
Casualy, no, he wont be doing it with any atacks because it will just be a waste of haki....But he can do it at will, it clearly uses a lot of Haki, but its not like he cant controll it. And he started breathing heavily for a single pannel, that dosent mean he uses "almost all of his haki". Enma dosent amplify anything, it dosent make his haki go 2x stronger, it just uses more than it has too WHEN THE SWORDMAN CANT CONTROLL IT thats all we know for sure, the rest is headcannon.

Its certainly possible that it helps Zoro infuse haki into it or maybe into his other swords, but its not confirmed just speculation.

Point is, people said he lacked the AP to hurt a yonko, that has been proven wrong, now people just want to push the achievement to the fuckign sword instead of admiting they fucked up with retarded claims like Zoro is using Oden's haki and not his own. And yes, this is a classic case of downplaying Zoro, because like it or not, he is the one controling and using the sword.
(Yes, some Zoro fans overhype any shit to hell, but just see @Jo_Ndule comment above mine to see the level of downplay thats been going on.....You cant deny its happening).
 
#92
Casualy, no, he wont be doing it with any atacks because it will just be a waste of haki....But he can do it at will, it clearly uses a lot of Haki, but its not like he cant controll it. And he started breathing heavily for a single pannel, that dosent mean he uses "almost all of his haki". Enma dosent amplify anything, it dosent make his haki go 2x stronger, it just uses more than it has too WHEN THE SWORDMAN CANT CONTROLL IT thats all we know for sure, the rest is headcannon.

Its certainly possible that it helps Zoro infuse haki into it or maybe into his other swords, but its not confirmed just speculation.

Point is, people said he lacked the AP to hurt a yonko, that has been proven wrong, now people just want to push the achievement to the fuckign sword instead of admiting they fucked up with retarded claims like Zoro is using Oden's haki and not his own. And yes, this is a classic case of downplaying Zoro, because like it or not, he is the one controling and using the sword.
(Yes, some Zoro fans overhype any shit to hell, but just see @Jo_Ndule comment above mine to see the level of downplay thats been going on.....You cant deny its happening).
It's not 100 percent contributed to the sword, but it's not 100 percent contributed to Zoro either. Oda has made it abundantly clear that Enma is no ordinary sword from it's introduction. Even Zoro recognized that it is special, which is why he gave up Shusui for it, even though Shusui is already a renowned Black Blade, that he earned by defeating the likeness of it's predecessor. Yet here we are, with tons of Zoro fans adamantly screaming that Enma is nothing special, when Oda has gone more than out of his way to prove the contrary. Most people can recognized that the strength of Zoro's last attack was a combination of Enma's ability and Zoro's Haki, while others not so much.
 

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#93
Zoro enjoys central position when it comes to power level discussions in terms of other characters - Luffy, SNs, Mihawk vs shanks which gets extended to yonkou vs admirals.


So, it's natural that many fan base deliberately de-hype zoro for their own agenda and this gets extended to Mihawk getting dehyped as well.


Since TS, people were arguing that zoro went all out first at FI and then Dressrosa despite there were clear evidences that zoro wasn't even pushed to mid diff in both arcs.


Then when wano began people totally brushed aside zoro vs kaido and called zoro fans toxic and delusional for even thinking like that.

They put him against orochi as his final fight in wano or at best in a team against YC. I mean this was height of being two piece reader.

As wano progressed and oda laid down evidences that zoro will fight and cut kaido people were still in denial mode.


To justify their dehype of zoro, they started to shit on zoro feats in wano - against Hawkins, killer, Apoo.


When oda put zoro against 2 yonkous then instead of coming out of their headcannon bubble they pushed their agenda that zoro will come down to fight king or would at best be support role.

Imagine calling MC of one piece a support character and giving primacy to side chicks like other SN present on the roof....couldn't be me lmao
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And, now when zoro missed a slash against a YONKOU who seemingly dodged it(indicated from BM statement and earlier reference to oden) then instead of hyping zoro who forced kaido to dodge it they are running wild dehyping him.

They have been saying that zoro went all out since dressrosa but he hasn't even pulled asura yet. Lmao


This clearly indicates that zoro PTSD is real and his hype and portrayal makes many fanbase insecure and nervous as this goes against all the headcannon they have said till now.


So what they do? They can't accept that they were wrong from past so many years so they go around nit picking with panels to dehype zoro to continue to push their false premises



What you guys think? Is he the most dehyped/underrated character?
 
#94
Zoro enjoys central position when it comes to power level discussions in terms of other characters - Luffy, SNs, Mihawk vs shanks which gets extended to yonkou vs admirals.


So, it's natural that many fan base deliberately de-hype zoro for their own agenda and this gets extended to Mihawk getting dehyped as well.


Since TS, people were arguing that zoro went all out first at FI and then Dressrosa despite there were clear evidences that zoro wasn't even pushed to mid diff in both arcs.


Then when wano began people totally brushed aside zoro vs kaido and called zoro fans toxic and delusional for even thinking like that.

They put him against orochi as his final fight in wano or at best in a team against YC. I mean this was height of being two piece reader.

As wano progressed and oda laid down evidences that zoro will fight and cut kaido people were still in denial mode.


To justify their dehype of zoro, they started to shit on zoro feats in wano - against Hawkins, killer, Apoo.


When oda put zoro against Two yonkous instead of coming out of their headcannon bubble they pushed their agenda that zoro will come down to fight king or would at best be support role.

Imagine calling MC of one piece a supporter character and giving primacy to side chicks like other SN....couldn't be me lmao
:milaugh::milaugh:


And, now when zoro missed a slash against a YONKOU who seemingly dodged it(indicated from BM statement and earlier reference to oden) then instead of hyping zoro who forced kaido to dodge it they are running wild dehyping him.




This clearly indicates that zoro PTSD is real and his hype and portrayal makes many fanbase insecure and nervous as this goes against all the headcannon they have said till now.


So what they do? They can't accept that they were wrong from past so many years so they go around nit picking with panels to dehype zoro to continue to push their false premises



What you guys think? Is he the most dehyped/underrated character?
Make a poll
 
Zoro suffers from what I call "Marco Syndrome". It's a select character Oda tries to make look cool, and people think he's Top Tier. When you look at their feats on paper they are anything but.

Cool =/= Strong

You can tell Oda likes Zoro, and gives people fan service, but he knows his place. Last chapter was the perfect example of fan service and building hype around nothing. On paper, Zoro has been the worst Supernova by far on the roof. He's literally accomplished nothing save for cutting fire.
 
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