Controversial Islam - scientific wonder or man made?

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Modern advanced life filled with cheating, drugs, adultery that causes unwanted babies and sex diseases, racism, misogyny, exploitation, deceit, hate, etc....

Yh ok....
Nothing that wasn't prevalent in the middle ages and under the rule of religions. Only that people lived til their 30s only due to bad hygiene. We don't need religion to have moral standards. We have ethics for that, where we discuss and argue our way of living. No need for a magic book that supposedly comes from god.
 
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Nothing that wasn't prevalent in the middle ages and under the rule of religions. Only that people lived til their 30s only due to bad hygiene. We don't need religion to have moral standards. We have ethics for that, where we discuss and argue our way of living. No need for a magic book that supposedly comes from god.
I have never said it wasnt prevalent. The point was to show that Islam had the best answer to it. Whilst advanced modern societies let it all plague on. Whatever lol.
 
#45
You have official numbers? I don't think so. I think the estimated number of apostates is much higher, since they have to keep it secret due to death threats. But there are a lot leaving, especially in islamic countries. And a person leaving Islam usually had a more critical look at it than someone converting. In my experience, people convert out of rather shallow reasons, while those leaving have a deep history of growing up within islamic culture and learning about Islam.
Pew research center
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#47
Days

Firstly let me address the whole "Days" issue people love to bring up.

The Quran uses the word "Youm" which is used in many different measurements of time. In this case a day could be a thousands of years...

Here is Quranic proof of the statement:

"They challenge you ˹O Prophet˺ to hasten the torment. And Allah will never fail in His promise. But a day with your Lord is indeed like a thousand years by your counting." [22:47]

Days are generally understood to be periods of time for us. Thus we dont truly know how long Allah truly took to create the Universe or Earth nor how long it existed.
Am I really about to make a religious post on a weeb forum??.........Yes.

Are you Islamic? Feel free to ignore my question if not lol. I'm just genuinely curious to how you answer the following if you are:

So is your argument that Allah took thousands of years to create the earth then?

If the answer to that question is yes, then how do you square that with the fact that modern science dates the earth at millions of years old?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth

[Yes I'm using Wikipedia, Wikipedia cites a variety of sources on their pages]

If the answer to that question is no, then why bring up the fact that "days =/ days" in the Quran?

Isn't it a copout to proclaim a specific statement and then claim that the words in that claim have no actual meaning? "Allah created the Earth in 4 days", "but days =/= days in Islam, it could equal whatever"

A "day" in our modern definition is a 24 hour period. If the Quran claims that Allah took 4 days to create the earth, then later claims that a "day" in Gods time is much different than a "day" in our time, then never actually explains what the meaning of a "day" actually is,

Then in this regard, the Quran is uselessly vague at best, scientifically illiterate at worst.
 
#48
People are still focusing on the interpretation of the word days and how much it really is. But the point is, Allah still needed twice as much time for the creation of the earth as compared to the entire freaking universe. And he created the sun, moon and stars (which are other solar systems and galaxies) after the earth. So the earth was the first thing to occur in the universe according to the Quran.

Imagine Allah needing twice as much time for a single small planet as compared to trillions of galaxies (each galaxy containing hundreds of billions of solar systems).

:josad:
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It's like saying Allah needed twice as much time to create a single dust grain as compared to creating an entire desert full of such grains.

But of course. The author of the Quran didn't know what stars are. He thought stars are lamps.
 
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People are still focusing on the interpretation of the word days and how much it really is. But the point is, Allah still needed twice as much time for the creation of the earth as compared to the entire freaking universe. And he created the sun, moon and stars (which are other solar systems and galaxies) after the earth. So the earth was the first thing to occur in the universe according to the Quran.

Imagine Allah needing twice as much time for a single small planet as compared to trillions of galaxies (each galaxy containing hundreds of billions of solar systems).

:josad:
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It's like saying Allah needed twice as much time to create a single dust grain as compared to creating an entire desert full of such grains.

But of course. The author of the Quran didn't know what stars are. He thought stars are lamps.
1. The universe was already in existence it was just split in to 7 heavens
2. You need to go back to third grade language arts class
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#50
If you want to debunk religions do it by not playing by its rules, go outside of the sandbox.
It's pretty much obvious that people from 1.5k+ thousands of years ago were limited to what their eyes see and what their imagination can produce so basically just the things related to Earth. As soon as you step further from Earth itself, every religion is pretty much quiet.
 
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Am I really about to make a religious post on a weeb forum??.........Yes.

Are you Islamic? Feel free to ignore my question if not lol. I'm just genuinely curious to how you answer the following if you are:

So is your argument that Allah took thousands of years to create the earth then?

If the answer to that question is yes, then how do you square that with the fact that modern science dates the earth at millions of years old?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth

[Yes I'm using Wikipedia, Wikipedia cites a variety of sources on their pages]

If the answer to that question is no, then why bring up the fact that "days =/ days" in the Quran?

Isn't it a copout to proclaim a specific statement and then claim that the words in that claim have no actual meaning? "Allah created the Earth in 4 days", "but days =/= days in Islam, it could equal whatever"

A "day" in our modern definition is a 24 hour period. If the Quran claims that Allah took 4 days to create the earth, then later claims that a "day" in Gods time is much different than a "day" in our time, then never actually explains what the meaning of a "day" actually is,

Then in this regard, the Quran is uselessly vague at best, scientifically illiterate at worst.
The Quran is not a science textbook, what an astounding discovery:seriously:. The quran was sent to people to for the worship of Allah.
But your write what the hell is this thread doing on a on a one piece forum.
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People shouldn't comment on what they're ignorant on.
 
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