Chapter Discussion It should've been Sanji vs Kizaru in Egghead
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Nearly everyone hates Egghead arc 1108 onwards. There's no sense in denying that.
I said he should perform better cause literally that's what other commanders have shown. They should not be burdens that can't even fight alongside the captain, which is what Sanji was treated as.
Why even have Sanji stay then? Could have left with Franky as Franky was about to leave with Vegapunk in 1107. Why stall that out another chapter, after all you said they need to get Vegapunks body out, so why drag it out? Why create that "bait and switch" by making it look like Sanji will fight alongside Luffy in 1107, and then in 1108 nope he's leaving just like Franky 5 seconds later.
I said he should perform better cause literally that's what other commanders have shown. They should not be burdens that can't even fight alongside the captain, which is what Sanji was treated as.
Why even have Sanji stay then? Could have left with Franky as Franky was about to leave with Vegapunk in 1107. Why stall that out another chapter, after all you said they need to get Vegapunks body out, so why drag it out? Why create that "bait and switch" by making it look like Sanji will fight alongside Luffy in 1107, and then in 1108 nope he's leaving just like Franky 5 seconds later.
I know you're not a native English speaker but let me educate you
The scene begins with Kizaru saying "Well, now I'm in a pickle"
His usage of "Now," implies a different circumstance from before
And the only thing that changed from before this scene to now, is that Sanji is now standing directly in Kizarus way
Vegapunk lying down is circumstantially nothing new, so there's no reason for Kizaru to say he's "now" in a pickle. So that's why it makes 0 fucking sense for him to be referring to Vegapunk here lmao
The scene begins with Kizaru saying "Well, now I'm in a pickle"
His usage of "Now," implies a different circumstance from before
And the only thing that changed from before this scene to now, is that Sanji is now standing directly in Kizarus way
Vegapunk lying down is circumstantially nothing new, so there's no reason for Kizaru to say he's "now" in a pickle. So that's why it makes 0 fucking sense for him to be referring to Vegapunk here lmao
I know you're not a native English speaker but let me educate you
The scene begins with Kizaru saying "Well, now I'm in a pickle"
His usage of "Now," implies a different circumstance from before
And the only thing that changed from before this scene to now, is that Sanji is now standing directly in Kizarus way
Vegapunk lying down is circumstantially nothing new, so there's no reason for Kizaru to say he's "now" in a pickle. So that's why it makes 0 fucking sense for him to be referring to Vegapunk here lmao
The scene begins with Kizaru saying "Well, now I'm in a pickle"
His usage of "Now," implies a different circumstance from before
And the only thing that changed from before this scene to now, is that Sanji is now standing directly in Kizarus way
Vegapunk lying down is circumstantially nothing new, so there's no reason for Kizaru to say he's "now" in a pickle. So that's why it makes 0 fucking sense for him to be referring to Vegapunk here lmao
Nearly everyone HERE***
Don't confuse yourself mate. This hatred you feel is - fortunatly - still just the opinion of a minority in the fanbase. An opinion based on nothing but illegitimate expectation and the COMPLETE and UTTER missunderstanding of the simple narration that is One Piece.
Your arguments are not new, I was already facing them in Thriller barck at the time, already facing them in Impel Down, already facing them in fishmen Island, Punk hazard and Dressrosa.. Faced them HEAD ON during whole cake and Wano and once again in Egghead.
It's
ALWAYS
The
Same
F.
Argument
"I wanted the story to..."
The problem is that it is a behavior that is related to the media illiteracy of fandoms (it's not something related only to One Piece, it happened also in a LOT of stories). And for 99% of the critics it's due to one simple thing:
Illegitimate expectations
Which is illegitimate expectation 101:
1. Sanji has shown that he could fight an admiral at least for a time. So much that it surprised him.
2. Sanji might be a commander but nothing tells us that his function is to fight
3. Sanji proved himself multiple time. There is absolutely NO NEED to extent something that we already know. This would be bad narration. UNLESS it's important thematically or for the story and the situation.
Sanji is treated as the opposite of a burden in those interactions. You can't read.
Because that's the aftershock of him blocking the shot. And he wanted to talk sh*t to Kizaru's face. Simple.
Character in One Piece are not robots, they are humans with prides and flaws. They do not do the most efficiant things everytime. If you want to read a manga like that, go read Death Note.
Because the trashtalking is cool.. Why do you need another reason ?
FFS
There is no bait and switch here. A bait and switch would have been for Oda to make Sanji say that he will fight Kizaru no matter what one on one.
Sanji just replied to Kizaru here, nothing more.
That was a possibility, but not the only one.
You choosed to focused on only one possibility. Hence why you can't appreciate the story when it subvert your expectation and why I can do just that.
That's cute.
This change absolutely nothing. Like I explained to your pal just above, there was a possibility of a fight, but:
1. This was not the most reasonable option looking at the body of Vegapunk lying there
2. This was just an option out of many and you guyz choose to stick and obsess on the only option that fitted your agendas.
The story is not at fault here. AT WORST, Oda made you think that there would be a 2v1 fight against Kizaru which did not happen by giving you an even better and exciting thing by giving you a 2v1 of LUffy VS Kizaru and Saturn at the same time instead.
In other words, even in the WORST case where there was indeed a slight possibility of a fight, Oda gave us something better in return.
The problem is that as the ungrateful people that you are, you can't even appreciate what Oda did with Luffy against Saturn and Kizaru, because you were too busy b*tching oabout not seeing a cook fight an admiral.
Meanwhile those like me who actually stop our illegitimate expectations jumped in awe and excitement to this
Don't confuse yourself mate. This hatred you feel is - fortunatly - still just the opinion of a minority in the fanbase. An opinion based on nothing but illegitimate expectation and the COMPLETE and UTTER missunderstanding of the simple narration that is One Piece.
Your arguments are not new, I was already facing them in Thriller barck at the time, already facing them in Impel Down, already facing them in fishmen Island, Punk hazard and Dressrosa.. Faced them HEAD ON during whole cake and Wano and once again in Egghead.
It's
ALWAYS
The
Same
F.
Argument
"I wanted the story to..."
The problem is that it is a behavior that is related to the media illiteracy of fandoms (it's not something related only to One Piece, it happened also in a LOT of stories). And for 99% of the critics it's due to one simple thing:
Illegitimate expectations
Which is illegitimate expectation 101:
1. Sanji has shown that he could fight an admiral at least for a time. So much that it surprised him.
2. Sanji might be a commander but nothing tells us that his function is to fight
3. Sanji proved himself multiple time. There is absolutely NO NEED to extent something that we already know. This would be bad narration. UNLESS it's important thematically or for the story and the situation.
Sanji is treated as the opposite of a burden in those interactions. You can't read.
Because that's the aftershock of him blocking the shot. And he wanted to talk sh*t to Kizaru's face. Simple.
Character in One Piece are not robots, they are humans with prides and flaws. They do not do the most efficiant things everytime. If you want to read a manga like that, go read Death Note.
Because the trashtalking is cool.. Why do you need another reason ?
FFS
There is no bait and switch here. A bait and switch would have been for Oda to make Sanji say that he will fight Kizaru no matter what one on one.
Sanji just replied to Kizaru here, nothing more.
That was a possibility, but not the only one.
You choosed to focused on only one possibility. Hence why you can't appreciate the story when it subvert your expectation and why I can do just that.
That's cute.
His usage of "Now," implies a different circumstance from before
And the only thing that changed from before this scene to now, is that Sanji is now standing directly in Kizarus way
Vegapunk lying down is circumstantially nothing new, so there's no reason for Kizaru to say he's "now" in a pickle. So that's why it makes 0 fucking sense for him to be referring to Vegapunk here lmao
And the only thing that changed from before this scene to now, is that Sanji is now standing directly in Kizarus way
Vegapunk lying down is circumstantially nothing new, so there's no reason for Kizaru to say he's "now" in a pickle. So that's why it makes 0 fucking sense for him to be referring to Vegapunk here lmao
1. This was not the most reasonable option looking at the body of Vegapunk lying there
2. This was just an option out of many and you guyz choose to stick and obsess on the only option that fitted your agendas.
The story is not at fault here. AT WORST, Oda made you think that there would be a 2v1 fight against Kizaru which did not happen by giving you an even better and exciting thing by giving you a 2v1 of LUffy VS Kizaru and Saturn at the same time instead.
In other words, even in the WORST case where there was indeed a slight possibility of a fight, Oda gave us something better in return.
The problem is that as the ungrateful people that you are, you can't even appreciate what Oda did with Luffy against Saturn and Kizaru, because you were too busy b*tching oabout not seeing a cook fight an admiral.
Meanwhile those like me who actually stop our illegitimate expectations jumped in awe and excitement to this
You have to question yourself why he is "now in a pickle". The reason is simple : Luffy attacked the Gorosai.
So what was a battle to kill Vegapunk seems to be transforming into a battle to kill Luffy and the strawhats as well.
In other words, Kizaru is talking about Vegapunk (that he already downed) AND all the strawhats especially Luffy. Not Sanji. You imagined a battle between Sanji and Kizaru when Oda was creating a potential battle of KIzaru against Luffy as the leader of the strawhats that defied the gorousai.
This is a question of reading comprehension as they say.. And it's indeed a case closed.
So what was a battle to kill Vegapunk seems to be transforming into a battle to kill Luffy and the strawhats as well.
In other words, Kizaru is talking about Vegapunk (that he already downed) AND all the strawhats especially Luffy. Not Sanji. You imagined a battle between Sanji and Kizaru when Oda was creating a potential battle of KIzaru against Luffy as the leader of the strawhats that defied the gorousai.
This is a question of reading comprehension as they say.. And it's indeed a case closed.
