Character Discussion Its been almost two years now

[Jailer]

Kaido doesn't need a detailed flashback, not every villain is supposed to be complex. Kaido, Lucci are in similar ballpark as characters, Big Mom and Doflamingo are more complex than him.

Big Mom is a good character it's just Oda that clowns her too much in power.

 

[park_min young]

It's kinda funny, now that you mention it. Kaidou and Big Mom could combine to make a complete character. Kaidou had all the combat feats, character clowned. Big Mom had the character, her combat feats clowned.



Rare Park min Young L. Colossal L at that.

I like Hisoka more too but if I’m being objective then he doesn’t have much character either from my memory.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kaido>Hisoka
Hisoka’s just a horny sicko and sadist. He’s just as one-dimensional if not more than Kaido lol.

Damn. Hisoka's charm >>

Even I don't agree with this bro.

 

[park_min young]

Damn. Hisoka's charm >>

Even I don't agree with this bro.

That’s what my second paragraph is about, charm is part of character I guess

 

[ZenZu]

Kaido doesn't need a detailed flashback, not every villain is supposed to be complex. Kaido, Lucci are in similar ballpark as characters, Big Mom and Doflamingo are more complex than him.

Big Mom is a good character it's just Oda that clowns her too much in power.

Nah don't disrespect Lucci by putting him with Kaidou, it's not only that Kaidou needs a better flashback, Kaidou is just an inconsistent disaster.

>Wants to die ----> hides in Wano and shits his pants at the thought of another top tier approaching
>Wants a tough fair battle ----> shoots the old Hag, yet boils Oden instead of letting him rematch out of pure fear.

Lucci is an excellent character, one of Oda's best. Kaidou needed something to complete his character, his mindset on death wasn't properly explored.

 

[park_min young]

Posted this on spoilers thread, Oda had good ideas with him and had the groundworks set up to make him a better character.

Spoiler

I guess the failed expectations that he’d be something greater makes it worse. Oden flashback destroyed a lot of his charm too lol

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kaido doesn't need a detailed flashback, not every villain is supposed to be complex. Kaido, Lucci are in similar ballpark as characters, Big Mom and Doflamingo are more complex than him.

Big Mom is a good character it's just Oda that clowns her too much in power.

I think Kaido is fine as a villain. Not a great one but decent nonetheless.

He is on same level as Lucci or enel for me. Doffy is the only villain far better than him.

 

[MarineHQ]

Kaido>Hisoka
Hisoka’s just a horny sicko and sadist. He’s just as one-dimensional if not more than Kaido lol
Most blood knight characters are objectively uncomplex characters, it’s all a matter of taste on who makes a better impression.

We were never friends

 

[Blackbeard]

New World starting arcs (FMI, PH and Dressrosa) taking too long was the 1st blow at One Piss

Wedding Cake was the 2nd blow.

Oden and every little bit of dirt associated with him was 3rd blow.

1st blow set the whole story back

2nd blow ruined Big Mom

3rd blow ruined Kaido

 

[park_min young]

We were never friends

🤣🤣🤣

Hey, I’ll stand by this. Strictly in terms of character depth then they’re both on the same page. I still know why Hisoka is more loved, he’s clear of Kaido in terms of charisma and nuance

 

[MarineHQ]

🤣🤣🤣

Hey, I’ll stand by this. Strictly in terms of character depth then they’re both on the same page. I still know why Hisoka is more loved, he’s clear of Kaido in terms of charisma and nuance

You're not entirely wrong though. I don't need a Hisoka flashback and character depth, it's nice but not needed. I know who he is and what he represents. He is a character exciting in the now.

 

[park_min young]

New World starting arcs (FMI, PH and Dressrosa) taking too long was the 1st blow at One Piss

Wedding Cake was the 2nd blow.

Oden and every little bit of dirt associated with him was 3rd blow.

1st blow set the whole story back

2nd blow ruined Big Mom

3rd blow ruined Kaido

Fuck Oden, his existence even ruined parts of Roger and WB’s image. Roger had to beg WB for Oden and WB looked like a total wuss not wanting to avenge him against Kaido. The great Oden flashback made 3 legends look worse 🤣

 

[MarineHQ]

Fuck Oden, his existence even ruined parts of Roger and WB’s image. Roger had to beg WB for Oden and WB looked like a total wuss not wanting to avenge him against Kaido. The great Oden flashback made 3 legends look worse 🤣

Seriously. Oden made everyone look bad including himself.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Fuck Oden, his existence even ruined parts of Roger and WB’s image. Roger had to beg WB for Oden and WB looked like a total wuss not wanting to avenge him against Kaido. The great Oden flashback made 3 legends look worse 🤣

Yup. Also before the flashback I was so sure that the reason Oden was getting so wanked early on in the arc was because Oda planned to hype up the main arc villain for beating him, cementing his status as the strongest. Instead we got Kaido getting clapped, winning through a distraction and getting Oden PTSDs for the remaining of his life.
Fuck Oden

 

[gz89]

But we got Oden's twerking fb instead aren't you happy ?

 

[ako]

Oden was Odas worst creation and idea. No doubt. To use and bring up a dead character to weaken the main villain and his immense hype was a joke. Kaido should have defeated him in a clean battle.

 

[Buusatan94]

What made Oden even worse is the insane and totally undeserved worship by the Scabbards, and even worse by Yamato, that he receives.

 

[a_fan]

His depression and Wano will be explained in Rocks flashback. I think this is the main reason why it hasn’t been revealed yet.

 

[grey matter]

Kaido was wasted, in the opposite way of how Big Mom was wasted by Oda, with him getting so little personality development, so little backstory and so little interactions and dynamics with his own crewmates.

Sad part is there is implied to be so much history been Kaido and King.

King was his first crewmate and started the BP together.
King influenced him so much that it's implied Kaido thought he was Joyboy himself at some point, and then later came to think he wasn't anymore (how this shift in perspective happened is another abandoned plot point).
King only shows his face when alone with Kaido.
During both their defeats, they saw each other in flashbacks.

There is so much implied, but nothing shown on screen.
The entire thing was ridiculously rushed, while Loda wasted time on a lot of nonsense (which also got abandoned/ went nowhere eventually).

Feels like Oda wanted to do much more than what was written, but scraped them for whatever reason. Worse, he rushed or abandoned the most important aspects.
Retarded writing.

IMO Wano would've been a masterpiece if it went on till 1100 chapters, with all/most plot points and character moments being addressed, or having some form of closure.
Instead we got dogshit surpassed only be Egghead.

 

[Buusatan94]

Sad part is there is implied to be so much history been Kaido and King.

King was his first crewmate and started the BP together.
King influenced him so much that it's implied Kaido thought he was Joyboy himself at some point, and then later came to think he wasn't anymore (how this shift in perspective happened is another abandoned plot point).
King only shows his face when alone with Kaido.
During both their defeats, they saw each other in flashbacks.

There is so much implied, but nothing shown on screen.
The entire thing was ridiculously rushed, while Loda wasted time on a lot of nonsense (which also got abandoned/ went nowhere eventually).

Feels like Oda wanted to do much more than what was written, but scraped them for whatever reason. Worse, he rushed or abandoned the most important aspects.
Retarded writing.

IMO Wano would've been a masterpiece if it went on till 1100 chapters, with all/most plot points and character moments being addressed, or having some form of closure.
Instead we got dogshit surpassed only be Egghead.

It's criminal how little developped Kaido's relations and dynamics with Queen, Jack, Bao Huang and the Flying Fighters were.