Its kinda hard to not be toxic as a Zoro fan

[SkySanji]

But you not on about a buff you talking about being weaker than luffy so weaker than yc3 to outperforming luffy who beat kata a yc1 who got one shot

No buff covers that distance

Pretending like Oda has a limit on how inconsistent he can be, he doesn't give a fuck, he makes the characters as strong as they need to be in the moment, doesn't change that power cliffing exists

 

[HA001]

Huh? What dictates how much of a buff one can get? You think Oda cares lmao. Look at the huge powercreep that happened from DR to Wano, for everyone.

You see one. I don't.

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Pretending like Oda has a limit on how inconsistent he can be, he doesn't give a fuck, he makes the characters as strong as they need to be in the moment.

That's called cope from you.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Okay buddy Zoro was several times stronger that Luffy but we never actually saw that strength difference ever up until Zoro who did nothing started hurting Yonko. Cool cool.

Never said that. Read my post again, disagreeing with the notion that Zenkai boosts exist in One Piece is one thing. Claiming Zoro was leagues above Luffy from the timeskip is another thing.

Characters can also get stronger with buffs/ power inflation.

Yeah no.

 

[DonWick]

Sanji fans have been delusional and bitter since OJ.

Zoro fans have been delusional and toxic since OJ.

 

[Fujishiro]

Never said that. Read my post again, disagreeing with the notion that Zenkai boosts exist in One Piece is one thing. Claiming Zoro was leagues above Luffy from the timeskip is another thing.


Yeah no.

Yes they do Conq, happened many times in OP.

So you dont believe the claim of Zoro being stronger than luffy at the start of the skip?

As for Zenkais they are a form of buffs, Zoro wasnt having extreme diff battles for his haki to bloom so he was basically being passively buffed each passing arc. That’s my point.

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Pretending like Oda has a limit on how inconsistent he can be, he doesn't give a fuck, he makes the characters as strong as they need to be in the moment, doesn't change that power cliffing exists

Yes, Plot> Pls for Oda. Its doubly apparent this arc.

 

[York]

Zoros Roof Piece showing(which was worse than Luffys) is clearly explained by the fact that he did receive a buff


Enma

 

[HA001]

Zoros Roof Piece showing(which was worse than Luffys) is clearly explained by the fact that he did receive a buff


Enma

What did enma buff ?

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Good thread. Zoro fans are not toxic and in fact innocent, they are just retaliating

 

[mly90]

Zoros Roof Piece showing(which was worse than Luffys) is clearly explained by the fact that he did receive a buff


Enma

Pure copium Luffy tards can't come to terms with the fact Zoro will always be more lethal

 

[York]

What did enma buff ?

It helped the impotent Zoro arouse his dormant coc

 

[HA001]

It helped the impotent Zoro arouse his dormant coc

What does that have to do with him being able to hurt kaido when yc1 luffy couldn't or block hakai which roof luffy couldn't dream of doing.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Yes they do Conq, hapoened many times in OP.

Like?

So you dont believe the claim of Zoro being stronger than luffy at the start of the skip?

I think Zoro was closer to Luffy than Sanji at the start of the timeskip. Things become much clearer if people stopped underrating the characters that were present at Dressrosa and realize that Cracker vs Luffy was due to a matchup advantage and isn't necessarily due to Luffy being weaker than Cracker. And that the top Supernovas (Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid) were never relative to "Veterans" and were in the Commanders bracket since the TS.

As for Zenkais they are a form of buffs, Zoro wasnt having extreme diff battles for his haki to bloom so he was basically being passively buffed each passing arc. Thata my point.

True, Zoro was effortlessly mowing down anything in his path until the Rooftop and King fight, which is why Zoro didn't change a bit from the TS to Wano, until he recieved Enma. The passive buff that you speak of doesn't really exist in OP.

 

[Malio]

Clear as day that Zoro came out stronger post time skip.

Luffy Post Time Skip:

• All 3 Haki types
• G4

Power-ups needed before + during Rooftop

• Future Sight
• Ryou
• AdCoC
• G5 (mythical fruit awakening)

Zoro Post Time Skip

• CoA + CoC

Power-ups needed before + during Rooftop

• Enma*

After Rooftop

• CoC (which helped him get AdCoC)

Like i said clear as day. As long as you're not a luffy groupie or just dislike zoro.

*For them folks that think a sword that takes a users own power is power up

 

[York]

What does that have to do with him being able to hurt kaido when yc1 luffy couldn't or block hakai which roof luffy couldn't dream of doing.

First of all, Zoro wasn't even YC1 level on the roof so again Luffy > Zoro. 2. Zoro STALLED Hakai, which Luffy could've done as well. He didn't because he doesn't have the same mindset as Zoro, simple as.
3rd, the minute Zoro picked up Enma was the minute you should've realized that at the time he was >> Oden, and he spent the time from receiving the sword to sailing to Onigashima training to wield it properly. You can pretend that the Zoro who got his arm sucked dry had the Haki control required to scar Kaido all you like, but I think you're a dumbass for it.

 

[HA001]

First of all, Zoro wasn't even YC1 level on the roof so again Luffy > Zoro. 2. Zoro STALLED Hakai, which Luffy could've done as well. He didn't because he doesn't have the same mindset as Zoro, simple as.
3rd, the minute Zoro picked up Enma was the minute you should've realized that at the time he was >> Oden, and he spent the time from receiving the sword to sailing to Onigashima training to wield it properly. You can pretend that the Zoro who got his arm sucked dry had the Haki control required to scar Kaido all you like, but I think you're a dumbass for it.

Zoro didn't have control over enma tho idiot. All he was doing on the roof was regulating his haki.
Luffy isn't blocking hakai for shit lmfao

This is yc1 luffy

 

[York]

Zoro didn't have control over enma tho idiot. All he was doing on the roof was regulating his haki.
Luffy isn't blocking hakai for shit lmfao

This is yc1 luffy

"Zoro didn't have control over Enma" Oh, sorry, your boy is so weak he gets negdiffed by a sword. Good to know

Enma makes him draw out more haki for his attacks, which makes his attacks stronger. Simple as that. If he had Shusui at Onigashima the only difference made would be that King would've creamed him. Because the damage Zoro did on the roof? doesn't add up to shit


I'd post a picture of your Yonko Level Mummy getting shanked by Killer or something but I'm sure you've seen those pictures often enough

 

[mly90]

"Zoro didn't have control over Enma" Oh, sorry, your boy is so weak he gets negdiffed by a sword. Good to know

Enma makes him draw out more haki for his attacks, which makes his attacks stronger. Simple as that. If he had Shusui at Onigashima the only difference made would be that King would've creamed him. Because the damage Zoro did on the roof? doesn't add up to shit


I'd post a picture of your Yonko Level Mummy getting shanked by Killer or something but I'm sure you've seen those pictures often enough

Each and every single sword were equally coated before Zoro unleashed Ashura. Enma didn't awaken Zoro's coc no sword has that ability, it simply draws out the user's Ryuo/CoA. If Zoro never exchanged swords he would still have awakened his coc to deal with King literally nothing would change. He faced similar wall back in Aalabasta where he couldn't hurt Mr 1 and Zoro still found a way to overcome him with the breath of all things. Was that ability also due to Wado if we use same dumb logic
You guys keep giving this sword million abilities to discredit Zoro. Your boy possesses mythical zoan god df this extreme cope is embarrassing

 

[HA001]

"Zoro didn't have control over Enma" Oh, sorry, your boy is so weak he gets negdiffed by a sword. Good to know

Enma makes him draw out more haki for his attacks, which makes his attacks stronger. Simple as that. If he had Shusui at Onigashima the only difference made would be that King would've creamed him. Because the damage Zoro did on the roof? doesn't add up to shit


I'd post a picture of your Yonko Level Mummy getting shanked by Killer or something but I'm sure you've seen those pictures often enough

No enma takes more haki than he wants it too to cut what he doesn't want. It doesn't Add anything.

Show whatever you want luffy did nothing to kaido and got one shot.

 

[BleakAsh]

hi

 

[ShishioIsBack]

So Oda who never had Zoro stronger than Luffy during the entirety of the show ( at best s relative equal) up and decided that Zoro should be 5-10 times stronger than the Luffy who’s training was hyped up and ended the timeskip?

That is more logical to you than Luffy and Zoro coming out of the timeskip relative to each other but Luffy growing stronger due to Oda making post-skip the luffy show which resulted in Oda buffing up every SHs up to par for the raid.

Which one makes sense to you.

Dude you need to stop you BULLSHIT here okay

These imaginary "zenkai" boosts that you are talking about apply to Luffy as well, at the same time in chapter 1000 with Luffy getting advCoA Barrier and Ryou training on top of an extreme battle Haki blooming and Zoro only having partial Enma training (which is double edged sword) he shat all over Luffy before even using Enma.

If Luffy and Zoro fought in Dressrosa Zoro would mid diff him in base and neg diff/one shot Kaku style in Ashura.

And the fact that Zoro fans were getting shit on for even suggesting Luffy and Zoro were close back in Dressrosa is down right path. Or even suggesting zoro can beat some commanders, you yourself were the guy who thought Zoro would have tough fight with who's who right before zoro stomped apoo and now suddenly "zenkai boost"

And now we are in same cross roads, its Deja vu all again.

We literally don't know limit of King of hell
Zoro low diffed King when he unlocked king of Hell

We don't know what King of hell ashura looks like

But we gotta buy luffy low diffs zoro bullshit once again??

And we can't even argue Zoro can beat some top tiers.

FUCK OUTTA HERE