General & Others Jack should have been Kaido's YC1

#81
I think Strength and competence go hand in hand. Jack pretty much failed at everything in Wano, got cut by Ashura first, achieved little on roof. Stopped F6 from going down to finish RSs cause they couldn't but ended up failing to finish even one of them himself.

Zou Jack was solid after that he didn't felt like Jack anymore, more like baby Jack.​
Did King accomplish anything ?

He will also fail to retrieve Raizou since minks wouldn't give him up
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King;
  • Attacked the Big Mom Pirates of his own accord as Kaido fretted over them entering Wano
  • Outright refused to join Linlin as she offered forgiveness for attacking her.
  • Attempted to resolve the Yamato crisis prematurely on Kaido's behalf
  • Attempted to execute Momo and later the Scabbards on Kaido's behalf
  • Largely organized the defense of Onigashima on Kaido's behalf
  • Swore to never lose solely out of respect to Kaido

The only thing that hits me for Jack is that he followed Kaido to the rooftop to fight and later got back up to fight the Dukes again. Whereas a lot of what Alber is doing isn't demanded of him and is solely for the benefit of Kaido.
failed to guard Momo
Failed to retrieve him
Failed to win à battle by himself
 
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#82
King has zero solo W btw
His whole purpose wqw to lose
Had no plot in the entire arc

He's an unoriginal character with average feats
He won against Big Mom Pirates. He won against Marco
His purpose is to introduce 1 of the race that Big Mom doesn't have in WCI, the race that wiped for unknown reason, the race that Whitebeard called as God. Then to fight Zoro and to give hin flashback as Kaido's first mate.
He probably will appear again when:
1. Lunarian subplot is being brought up again
2. Kaido's flashback with Beast Pirates
3. Kaido's flashback when he met Shanks before Marineford

The one who with zero W was Katakuri.
Failed to shoot Sanji. Failed to prevent Mother Caramel photo from being destroyed. Failed to beat Luffy.
His only purpose was to be Luffy's stepping stone.
Even Perospero is more relevant than him.
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Failed to stop Big Mom tantrum.
Failed to stop Tamatebakko box exploding, and made their palace fell apart.
Failed to capture Jinbe and Germa.
 
#87
He won against Big Mom Pirates. He won against Marco
His purpose is to introduce 1 of the race that Big Mom doesn't have in WCI, the race that wiped for unknown reason, the race that Whitebeard called as God. Then to fight Zoro and to give hin flashback as Kaido's first mate.
He probably will appear again when:
1. Lunarian subplot is being brought up again
2. Kaido's flashback with Beast Pirates
3. Kaido's flashback when he met Shanks before Marineford

The one who with zero W was Katakuri.
Failed to shoot Sanji. Failed to prevent Mother Caramel photo from being destroyed. Failed to beat Luffy.
His only purpose was to be Luffy's stepping stone.
Even Perospero is more relevant than him.
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Failed to stop Big Mom tantrum.
Failed to stop Tamatebakko box exploding, and made their palace fell apart.
Failed to capture Jinbe and Germa.
Bringing up Katakuri in this thread means nothing

Jack defeated minks at Zou with gas and defeated sulong minks on the roof

King? His only W was having Queen to dominate Marco
 
#88
You're not wrong, this is straight facts, many people even thought Jack was actualy right hand man when he was introduced back in zou,

His design perfectly fits the brute theme kaidoand his crew has, which is animalistic beastly, his attitude support the narrative they are reckless m'f's. kaido was introduced as suicidal and because of that he was beaten and imprisoned , which was perfect because jack is following the theme, he was attacking marine fleet with admirals on board, without hesitation. attacking zunesha, he's being unreasobable hard headed etc.

then all of a sudden oda introduced the 2 other commanders who obviously have different theme that doesn't support the crews theme, ones a fat ass goffy who has science theme ones a edgy with dark angel theme, they actually look they belong in bigmom crew and ivankov,
lol and people thought you're downplaying King by bringing this out? :kayneshrug:
 
#89
If anything, that makes it Jack into a discounted Kaido. Him copying Kaido's suicide by going straight to Marine Admirals or Zunisha, sounds like he is cosplaying Kaido.

So we get Kaido's fanboy who is cosplaying his suicidal actions. On other side we have Oden's fangirl who is cosplaying Oden.
They two really should have fight each other, childhood friends with different way of life.

Too bad Oda missed that opportunity.

On topic: King still the best YC1 for Kaido.
Again, having Jack as YC1 means we just have discounted Kaido, a smaller, weaker, younger Kaido as his YC1, while most YC1 / Right Hand / First Mate don't work that way with their Captains.

Zoro doesn't wear Straw Hat too so he could fit better into Straw Hat Pirates.
Katakuri is not a "Big Mom", by thread's logic Compote should have been Big Mom's YC1.

P.s.
The fact that King still eats zoan DF just like rest of his crew, and that his race is not of human but an ancient beast tribe with black wings and flame, he really fits for the "Beast" Pirates.
 

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#90
Did King accomplish anything ?

He will also fail to retrieve Raizou since minks wouldn't give him up
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failed to guard Momo
Failed to retrieve him
Failed to win à battle by himself
I mean he accomplished becoming Kaido's vice and that's nothing Jack or Queen would have ever accomplished I bet if he met them
 
#92
On topic: King still the best YC1 for Kaido.
Again, having Jack as YC1 means we just have discounted Kaido, a smaller, weaker, younger Kaido as his YC1, while most YC1 / Right Hand / First Mate don't work that way with their Captains.
wasn't king the one whos younger weaker than kaido, if you think about it right hand has almost shown on the same footing if not equal to the captain, they can even boss or lecture their captain most of the time, King was like shanks to roger when he found him,
while Jack pre wano was giving the vice captain vibes, not giving a fck, can decide for himself, even have ship and crew commanding, thats why everyone jump on the idea that jack was right hand man , when he was firstly introduced in zou,, because people got this awe impression of him,, oda needed to dragged him down, giving him the little brother treatment with king and queen on wano so people will forget how awesome he is, even completly dragged so low into the mud with the flashback showing how young and amateure he is compare to king and queen. lol
Zoro doesn't wear Straw Hat too so he could fit better into Straw Hat Pirates.
Katakuri is not a "Big Mom", by thread's logic Compote should have been Big Mom's YC1.
you're missing the point, its not all about the get up or looks, and you can't include kata in this cause he was a son, not someone who bm found out else where and bm crew was like a melting pot , anyone can be on her crew, right hands still have the same vibes and commonalities to their captain, and that includes their virtue, King was none of that, he was hideous and insecure and proud at the same time about his race. even lacks the VC confidence doubting kaido if he can really change the world. lol
 
#94
You're not wrong, this is straight facts, many people even thought Jack was actualy right hand man when he was introduced back in zou,

His design perfectly fits the brute theme kaidoand his crew has, which is animalistic beastly, his attitude support the narrative they are reckless m'f's. kaido was introduced as suicidal and because of that he was beaten and imprisoned , which was perfect because jack is following the theme, he was attacking marine fleet with admirals on board, without hesitation. attacking zunesha, he's being unreasobable hard headed etc.

then all of a sudden oda introduced the 2 other commanders who obviously have different theme that doesn't support the crews theme, ones a fat ass goffy who has science theme ones a edgy with dark angel theme, they actually look they belong in bigmom crew and ivankov,
lol and people thought you're downplaying King by bringing this out? :kayneshrug:
Someone who gets it
 
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