Questions & Mysteries Jinbore helping the Sun pirates

Marimo_420

The Honoured One
#21
So, what was the narrative purpose of this? I don't mean about Jinbore showing that he's super honorable as always, but what did Oda gain with writing him out from the plot for a while?

I figured something relevant would happen to him there, but so far there's no indication of this. And he didn't swoop in to help SHs for that to be the grand purpose of his return.

What do you think it was, did Oda just have nowhere to fit him in the story? Would a Fishman not be able to hide in Wano etc.?
To make sure Sanjino was above Jinbe before he officially joined the crew.
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So..... plot.
 
#25
That would make perfect sense to justify his departure. However there are two issues:

1) As you said he already gave up his lifespan once. Not sure if Oda would repeat this plot point.
2) What if Kidd and Law really bring her down? That leaves Luffy having no motivation to be angry at her.
Well we don't know if he gave up his lifespan the first time, as he had to spin the wheel. He could have just gotten extremely lucky in that instance. That's also another unresolved plot point from WCI regarding Jinbei's character.

It's still too hard to imagine they can bring her down for good at this point and time. Both of them seem to be at her limits, and she's just getting started. If a Yonko can be taken down that easily while they are at peak performance, by two character below her, reaching their limits, I don't know how I'd feel about that one.
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Why
Those ships aren't strong
That was the entire force of Big Mom's military. To have it brought down by a handful of Fishman would be pretty cringe.
 
#26
Well we don't know if he gave up his lifespan the first time, as he had to spin the wheel. He could have just gotten extremely lucky in that instance. That's also another unresolved plot point from WCI regarding Jinbei's character.

It's still too hard to imagine they can bring her down for good at this point and time. Both of them seem to be at her limits, and she's just getting started. If a Yonko can be taken down that easily while they are at peak performance, by two character below her, reaching their limits, I don't know how I'd feel about that one.
The only way it'd make sense to set up Luffy being extremely angry at her is if she doesn't go down in this arc (since defeating Kaido will surely be Luffy's peak performance for the finale, no way he's ever going to downgrade to defeating Big Mom after it). But I think it's do or die for the bois at this point, if they don't bring BM down, they'll be kinda useless.

MAYBE BMP come and rescue her and she gets postponed yet again for that Jinbore plot point to work. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#27
So, what was the narrative purpose of this? I don't mean about Jinbore showing that he's super honorable as always, but what did Oda gain with writing him out from the plot for a while?

I figured something relevant would happen to him there, but so far there's no indication of this. And he didn't swoop in to help SHs for that to be the grand purpose of his return.

What do you think it was, did Oda just have nowhere to fit him in the story? Would a Fishman not be able to hide in Wano etc.?
Manufactured dramatic tension with little to no payoff is Eiichiro Oda’s calling card and everybody here knows it :zehaha:
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#28
If Law and Kidd manage to vanquish Big Mom by themselves then all the hype and portrayal concerning Luffy calling Big Mom on Fishman Island and the hype set by Katakuri when their fight was over would get turned to dust, furthermore I quite doubt they have what it takes to beat her by themselves as their awakening powers didn't seem to damage her very much and they are limited. Unless PIS occurred and she turned too old during the fight.

Jinbe surviving WCI is bad plotting, I think it was rather clear Big Mom wanted to kill Jinbe and not allow him to escape after all what had happened.
 
#35
Both really fun structural choices for a story that’s taken more than 25 years to halfway tell…!!
You know, sometimes I wonder if One Piece would be even half as popular, or last as long as it has, had Oda not followed this formula. I know it can be annoying on our end to have to wait for years sometimes to get payoffs to plot points from arcs prior, but at the same time, it keeps everyone invested and sticking around. Might piss people off in the process, but we just can't help ourselves to continue to ride along to see where everything is going to end up.

Not sure if it's genius structuring on Oda's part, or he's just a sadistic madman.
 
#36
So, what was the narrative purpose of this? I don't mean about Jinbore showing that he's super honorable as always, but what did Oda gain with writing him out from the plot for a while?

I figured something relevant would happen to him there, but so far there's no indication of this. And he didn't swoop in to help SHs for that to be the grand purpose of his return.

What do you think it was, did Oda just have nowhere to fit him in the story? Would a Fishman not be able to hide in Wano etc.?
Jimbe will update us on the events of the battle and Totland/Germa status, an important dot to pin during the aftermath.
Oda doesn't have to inform us through the newspapers (most of the Revo/WG stuff will be revealed this way) but can do it through Jimbe who was an active leader of the battling forces and would give us official/reliable intel (not WSJ info...)
 
#38
If he gets panel time he's increasing early Wano bloat more, and if he didn't get much panel time and significance then people would be pissed. First genuine crew addition in over a decade and he's just backgrounded for a hundred chapters? Just makes more sense for him to be reasonably excluded.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#39
Who do you guys see Jinbe taking on in the future if you had to pull a guess? I never truly digged into the matter. Could be intriguing to the topic as well.
 
#40
So, what was the narrative purpose of this? I don't mean about Jinbore showing that he's super honorable as always, but what did Oda gain with writing him out from the plot for a while?

I figured something relevant would happen to him there, but so far there's no indication of this. And he didn't swoop in to help SHs for that to be the grand purpose of his return.

What do you think it was, did Oda just have nowhere to fit him in the story? Would a Fishman not be able to hide in Wano etc.?
Plot.
Luffy was not strong enough to have a Warlord under him at the time.
Plus the disparities between their bounties wouldn’t make sense.
Luffy just had a 500M bounty, jinbei have 438M
Jinbei’s existence would undermine Zoro’s at the time and Sanjis by heaven and earth.
 
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