Future Events Justice Opposes Freedom - Why Only the World Government are Fit to be the Final Villains

[Reborn]

WB: "Once somebody finds the treasure, he will carry 800 years on his back and challenge the World Government"

Worstgen: "Why should Luffy care about the World Government"

Can´t make this shit up

Exactly lmao

Don't know why they think a mere pirate would end up as final villain when we literally have someone who has 100 + countries as allies and have control over whole op world while engaging in

• Exploitation and discrimination (fishmen)
• Slavery (kuma)
• Inequality (celestial dragons)
• Cleansing (wiping out civilization)
• Suppression of knowledge (about void century)

Which clearly goes against meaning of freedom - the dream and goal of MC Luffy

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

This is Oda, we shall never manage to read through his mind accurately when it comes to a final villain of the series.

This man is the classic mangaka who could introduce an entire new category of characters that has nothing to do with the WG.

But on an overall scale, I also concur here. I don't see Teach as endgame material. That would be too foreseeable and Oda hates when it's that way.

It´s not clear yet how BB fits into this, might be a third faction belonging to some kind of traitor faction of the D clan, so it´s definitely not unlikely that BB will remain in one form or the other.
But to think the WG plays second fiddle, pretty much the only constant in almost every arc as antagonist or a significant plot point (Alabasta and Thriller Bark with Shichibukai, Skypeia with Ponegylphs and the past of Shandia, Water 7 is clear, entire war saga, Fishman Island with Joy Boy and Ancient Weapon, PH, Dressrosa). Yonkou saga is really the first one in which the WG has not really played a significant role yet (i know Stussy was there, but did not play much of a role), but it´s not unlikely we will get a turning point at the end of all this.
So from a philosophical point of view (being the antithesis to Luffy, Blackbeard is dark Luffy, not antithesis), from a historical point of view in regards to their role in the story, from a personal point of view with Ace and Akainu, it´s a narrative no-go to put them aside.

 

[Kromage911]

Tbh, I really want Shanks to be the final antagonist or at least be very relevant to the story in some way. The man has been a major character since chapter 1. I just really don't want him to have a fucking Davy Back Fight with the straw hats. Just waiting for Oda to reveal Shanks true intentions. I don't think Oda would've kept him so mysterious if he was just a good old boy. That is not to say that the WG won't play any role in the final battle. It'll definitely be the major enemy but Shanks can still be connected to it. Let's see how Oda pulls it off. Please make him a greyish character. The worst thing he can do imo will be BB off-screening Shanks. My worst nightmare, lol.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Exactly lmao

Don't know why they think a mere pirate would end up as final villain when we literally have someone who has 100 + countries as allies and have control over whole op world while engaging in

• Exploitation and discrimination (fishmen)
• Slavery (kuma)
• Inequality (celestial dragons)
• Cleansing (wiping out civilization)
• Suppression of knowledge (about void century)

Which clearly goes against meaning of freedom - the dream and goal of MC Luffy

The typical argument i have heard in other forums as well is "this is a pirate manga" whatever that´s supposed to mean, yet weirdly enough, the majority of the opponents Luffy faced were either employed by the World Government, were actively supported by them, were a member of them as either Marines, other agents and so on, or were a result of the WG´s discriminatory past.

People latch onto weird arguments but disregard the main ones, that´s the only reason.

 

[Garp the Fist]

If it weren’t for Imu, I’d say Blackbeard doing that is what Oda’s aiming for. But introducing a secret king of the world just for Blackbeard to beat him and take his place is incredibly redundant. The action would work perfectly fine if Imu wasn’t introduced and the symbolic throne remained empty.

I just can’t see Oda having a newly introduced entity like Imu yeeted out by Blackbeard’s gnarly ass just so he can play the same role.

Depends on the purpose of Imu. I get very strong locked princess in the tower vibes. For one thing, I’m pretty sure that silhouette has her in a dress with a tall thin crown. Oda likes big brash men as opponents. Spending time in the flower room playing with butterflies? Again, very feminine, not very Oda for a villain.

I very much expect Imu to be both a woman and someone the Gorosei keep-as a necessity to the other Celestial Dragons- as they pay lip service to, while doing exactly what we’ve seen them doing all series, make the decisions to run the world themselves. And they’ve been badly losing to Luffy and Blackbeard in that regard the past two years.

Basically, Imu’s going to be the ultimate princess of the arc, for the series. Probably longing for freedom of her own- what exactly is the point in being King of the World if you’re locked in a castle all your life and barely anyone knows you exist?

Fine i will bite. How is Teach achieving that as per you?

-he’s getting an Ancient Weapon of his own. He’s crazy into historical research, he‘s hunting after something shocking that was revealed at the Reverie, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Kaido and BM have brought up the subject now as well
-his crew are gathering very specific power sets. We already knew that Lafitte is a skilled hypnotist who managed to infiltrate a meeting between Sengoku and the Warlord, in Marigeoise, without anyone noticing. Now there’s an invisible man and a super version of Bon Clay’s fruit as well? He’s up to something. He also was waiting specifically to get the Darkness fruit. Darkness, hypnotism, invisibility and clones? That’s a suspicious combination if ever I saw it.
-his own, unprecedented strength. He’s got two DF’s. No one else does. Nuff said.

If Doflamingo felt he had a workable plan to take over the world with Law’s fruit, I have every confidence in Blackbeard being able to do it with his resources.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

I do, Im'd represent one of the lamest clichés in shonen manga as final villain and won't surprise me if she's a woman, not a fighter at all and more of a "mother archetype" as a figure of creation and knowledge (with regards to the World Government and the Void Century).

well... Imu is the final villain

 

[Garp the Fist]

Blackbeard’s answer to questions of justice and evil

And as I’ve been reminded of by another thread, we have Oda directly saying that “the greatest enemy for the Strawhats” is “related to Whitebeard.”

After that we find out that Whitebeard had a captain who was Roger’s “greatest foe” and whom Blackbeard (who is also related to Whitebeard, funnily enough) is trying to emulate.

Wonder what that cryptic puzzle means.

 

[HA001]

Blackbeard’s answer to questions of justice and evil

And as I’ve been reminded of by another thread, we have Oda directly saying that “the greatest enemy for the Strawhats” is “related to Whitebeard.”

After that we find out that Whitebeard had a captain who was Roger’s “greatest foe” and whom Blackbeard (who is also related to Whitebeard, funnily enough) is trying to emulate.

Wonder what that cryptic puzzle means.

Wb straight up told him hes not the one roger is waiting for and the final war will be after the treasure is found.
So forget him being in the final war he probably doesnt even make raftel.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

@Garp the Fist @Fallen Prince @Kafkananta @İsrafil @hedera__helix @Patapujuro

How are Luffy and Blackbeard ideologically opposites? They are literally almost the same characters at heart, both believing very closely in dreams and the age of piracy and such. The only place they differ is their sense of honor.

Y’all don’t really think Luffy and Blackbeard are more opposites than Luffy and Akainu do you? Luffy and Akainu have absolutely nothing in common, while Luffy and Teach would probably agree on most things..lol

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy and Blackbeard embody the same sense of determination but they overall also feature extremely different personalities in the way of living.

 

[Kafkananta]

@Garp the Fist @Fallen Prince @Kafkananta @İsrafil @hedera__helix @Patapujuro

How are Luffy and Blackbeard ideologically opposites? They are literally almost the same characters at heart, both believing very closely in dreams and the age of piracy and such. The only place they differ is their sense of honor.

Y’all don’t really think Luffy and Blackbeard are more opposites than Luffy and Akainu do you? Luffy and Akainu have absolutely nothing in common, while Luffy and Teach would probably agree on most things..lol

I rather watch feminism vs radical feminism than feminism vs patriarchy??? Because radical feminism is the one who harm the vision of feminism itself.

LOL I don't have any better example : )

In my humble opinion, yes WG may be the final villain but actually justice and freedom walk in the same line. You need freedom to serve justice and vice versa.

For me straw hats vs BB must happen without involving third party. It is the private war between almost two same ideology but at the same time very different perspective.

Fighting WG, Strawhats will need all element of society like civil, revolutionary, navy themselves and have to compensate each other difference to take down the corrupt justice by Imu.

 

[Shiroyru]

Imu is Luffy’s ideological opposite, not Akainu

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

I rather watch feminism vs radical feminism than feminism vs patriarchy??? Because radical feminism is the one who harm the vision of feminism itself.

LOL I don't have any better example : )

In my humble opinion, yes WG may be the final villain but actually justice and freedom walk in the same line. You need freedom to serve justice and vice versa.

For me straw hats vs BB must happen without involving third party. It is the private war between almost two same ideology but at the same time very different perspective.

Fighting WG, Strawhats will need all element of society like civil, revolutionary, navy themselves and have to compensate each other difference to take down the corrupt justice by Imu.

Thats personal preference.

And you think strawhats vs BB would happen without anybody else involved if they are last antagonist.
We already know the last war will entail the entire world, every little thing pointed towards that.

 

[MarineHQ]

Imu is Luffy’s ideological opposite, not Akainu

We'll see about that

 

[Garp the Fist]

Wb straight up told him hes not the one roger is waiting for

I really don’t think that’s the great ”gotcha” you think it is.

As readers, was anyone sitting and thinking “you know what, I think it’s actually Blackbeard that will end up saving the world?”

Of course Luffy is the one Roger had been waiting for. We’ve known that since, well, chapter one really, but Crocus confirmed it at Reverse Island

the final war will be after the treasure is found.

Yep

So forget him being in the final war he probably doesnt even make raftel.

Luffy literally doesn’t even need to see Blackbeard to get to Laugh Tale. He’s fighting in the final war. He hasn’t been built up all this to get tossed out as a lesser arc villain

@Garp the Fist @Fallen Prince @Kafkananta @İsrafil @hedera__helix @Patapujuro

How are Luffy and Blackbeard ideologically opposites? They are literally almost the same characters at heart, both believing very closely in dreams and the age of piracy and such. The only place they differ is their sense of honor.

Y’all don’t really think Luffy and Blackbeard are more opposites than Luffy and Akainu do you? Luffy and Akainu have absolutely nothing in common, while Luffy and Teach would probably agree on most things..lol

My argument is that the similarities between Teach and Luffy are what make him far more compelling as a character and that’s why he’s the final villain. Polar extremes of what it means to be free- utter, psychotic chaos compared to Luffy’s more light hearted, libertarian approach.

Yes, Sakazuki‘s absolute justice of rigidly following the law is opposed to freedom. Not arguing otherwise. Doesn’t make him the final villain though- and if that was to be the route Oda was going, it will be the ones who actually make the rules that were the final villains, not a guy who follows them.

 

[Shiroyru]

We'll see about that

Imu = King of the world
Luffy = Wants to be most free man in the world

Tyranny vs freedom. Akainu is just a government dog who represents blind loyalty

 

[MarineHQ]

Yes, Sakazuki‘s absolute justice of rigidly following the law is opposed to freedom. Not arguing otherwise. Doesn’t make him the final villain though- and if that was to be the route Oda was going, it will be the ones who actually make the rules that were the final villains, not a guy who follows them.

Imo it's undeniable that Imu IS the final villain, his presence makes even the PK look small considering the history he has on his back. The idea that Luffy will never confront Akainu by EOS is just ridiculous.

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Imu = King of the world
Luffy = Wants to be most free man in the world

Tyranny vs freedom. Akainu is just a government dog who represents blind loyalty

Akainu believes in Absolute justice and he goes against anyone who he thinks oposses his sense of justice, this was also stated in the VC iirc. He already had a verbal clash with the Gorosei, nothing in that conversation strikes blind loyalty considering how Akainu gave the Gorosei an order.

 

[sanjikun]

I've thought about this for years, but to no end. Yes, WG as an entity seems greater, but Blackbeard does seem like the "evil of the world". If this dude gets Kaido's DF, with Whitebeard's DF, and the Yami Yami no Mi, can the WG really overtake him?

The WG fight does seem like a post-PK/Raftel thing though, and Oda even hinted at this.

If Doflamingo felt he had a workable plan to take over the world with Law’s fruit, I have every confidence in Blackbeard being able to do it with his resources.

What if Law grants the immortality power to Blackbeard as part of the "D" revenge against the WG for they did to his hometown?

I don't see it since things would really have to take a dark/desperate turn for that. Reminds me of Namek saga where Krilling/Gohan were going to make Vegeta immortal.

 

[MarineHQ]

I've thought about this for years, but to no end. Yes, WG as an entity seems greater,

This gets even clearer considering Roger's reaction at Laugh tale. Roger was reading the biography of Joyboy, the joyful part, i bet there is also the "tragedy" part that occurs after the WG was founded.

It's pretty damn nuts if it turns out if the OP is nothing more than a master plan layed out by Joyboy how to unite the world again and get rid of the WG.

Like I've been saying since 908. The existence of Imu lessened the presence of the PK and the OP.

All this will climax in taking down Imu

 

[Garp the Fist]

Imo it's undeniable that Imu IS the final villain, his presence makes even the PK look small considering the history he has on his back.

All Imu is right now is an idea. Imu could be
-the strongest living thing in history, basically immortal due to a DF, the one who brought about the Void Century, the Ancient Weapon Uranus and has ruled over the world for centuries
or
-a sixteen year old girl in a long line of Celestial Dragons chosen as a figurehead leader, who likes butterflies and flowers, has been told horror stories about the D’s the same way Doflamingo and Corazon were, isn’t allowed to leave her castle and is mostly ignored by the Gorosei, who actually run the show

We don’t know.

The idea that Luffy will never confront Akainu by EOS is just ridiculous.

Well I agree, but don’t see how Blackbeard being the final villain would stop that happening.