Character Discussion Kaido and King. The best Captain and Right Hand Man duo
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The problem with king is that In the present times, Oda didn't make Kaido care about King
Kaido didn't even cry or talk when Kong was defeated
Kaido didn't treat him differently from Queen or Jack.
They have a bond but Oda didn't show it properly in the present times.
Shanks and Benn don't even have enough panels together
Even Rayleigh and Roger aren't shown a lot
Kaido didn't even cry or talk when Kong was defeated
Kaido didn't treat him differently from Queen or Jack.
They have a bond but Oda didn't show it properly in the present times.
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Shanks and Benn don't even have enough panels together
Even Rayleigh and Roger aren't shown a lot
Bar the obvious usual suspects, Luffy-Zoro and Roger-Rayleigh (I also like Kidd-Killer a lot, but they are far lesser than the others, strength wise) there even is a better duo than these two?
Kaido and King have an incredible bond, they really are such a great duo of Captain and Right Hand Man. They share a gargantuan amount of parallels that make them unique in the Beast Pirates.
Oda made that Kaido's strongest move and King's strongest move are a blatant reference one to the other. The visual similarity speaks for itself. They both have the same giant avatar of a magma shaped in the form of a dragon, just Kaido has an even greater scale and power than King.
Kaido, the Beast Pirates captain, was defeated by Luffy, the Strawhats captain and the future Pirate King. King, Kaido's right hand man, was defeated by Zoro, Luffy's right hand man and the future World's Strongest Swordsman.
Being Zoro a right hand man who is very close in strength to his captain, Zoro also fought against Kaido, gaining crazy feats and using his strength to protect Luffy, saving his captain's life many times. Zoro's attacks even threatened Kaido's life, and managed to wound the Yonko to the point of inflicting him a scar.
Later, to defeat Kaido, Luffy will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki. Later, to defeat King, Zoro will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki.
Adv CoC Haki, the power of the top tiers, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can" was needed for both Kaido and King.
When Kaido was being defeated by Luffy, he thought of King. When King was being defeated by Zoro, he thought of Kaido.
Kaido is known for his toughness as a dragon, King is so tough that, as a dinousaur who wields the power of the Lunarians, he is tougher than even Kaido. His defense is just exceptional, even stronger than the one of Kaido's dragon scales.
Proof: Zoro's Tatsumaki. Oda creates a clear comparison for the readers to understand, makes Zoro use the same move, with completely different results, and puts the statement that King is something superior, in this field, to both dragons and dinosaurs.
Oh, and for our flat earthers special friends, let's remember that King is officially stated and confirmed to be the the leader of the All Stars, and the undesputable second strongest after Kaido.
Alber was literally chosen by Kaido as his right hand man just because of Kaido being impressed by his immense strength, and granted the name of King (King > Queen > Jack) because of that superior strength.
It's so funny... do you remember the usual flat earthers, how they moved their claims? Firstly they hyped King as much as they could, when they thought that Sanji would have been the one to fight and defeat him (which would have never happened lmao... the third fiddle Sanji was always meant to fight the third fiddle Queen).
Then they downplayed him as much as possible, saying that he was barely stronger than Queen, and that it would have been a 2 vs 2 battle between Wings and All Stars equals (again, so delusional, it's like believing that all the Supernovas are equals just because they are part of the same group lmao).
Then finally they had to admit that King is on a completely different level. Well, that's what the manga showed, exhibiting King as a deadly fighter who is a well rounded killer machine who wields the power of a race of gods that can survive everything, and Queen as a clown who can't even make decent usage of his own skills.
The same Zoro who was already strong enough to prove his might against Yonkos, even hurting Kaido to the point of leaving a scar (something that the joined strength of the Red Scabbards, multiple YC level characters combined, still weren't strong enough to do) and making Big Mom scream in worry, can't harm King in the slightest.
To beat King, he needs to receive a power up as important as Advanced Conqueror Haki. Before that, nothing seemed to scratch King, who hadn't even started to fight at his maximum, and still had remained immune to any kind of damage from someone as strong as Zoro. Adv CoC, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", was needed for Zoro to surpass King.
Plus we are showed the complete different portrayal of Kaido-King as a duo, while Kaido-Queen literally does not exist at all.
So their claims, as always, were proved wrong by the manga. So comical... so desperate... so cringe. Why do they always have to make a fool of themselves? Will they ever learn?
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Kaido and King have an incredible bond, they really are such a great duo of Captain and Right Hand Man. They share a gargantuan amount of parallels that make them unique in the Beast Pirates.
Oda made that Kaido's strongest move and King's strongest move are a blatant reference one to the other. The visual similarity speaks for itself. They both have the same giant avatar of a magma shaped in the form of a dragon, just Kaido has an even greater scale and power than King.
Kaido, the Beast Pirates captain, was defeated by Luffy, the Strawhats captain and the future Pirate King. King, Kaido's right hand man, was defeated by Zoro, Luffy's right hand man and the future World's Strongest Swordsman.
Being Zoro a right hand man who is very close in strength to his captain, Zoro also fought against Kaido, gaining crazy feats and using his strength to protect Luffy, saving his captain's life many times. Zoro's attacks even threatened Kaido's life, and managed to wound the Yonko to the point of inflicting him a scar.
Later, to defeat Kaido, Luffy will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki. Later, to defeat King, Zoro will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki.
Adv CoC Haki, the power of the top tiers, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can" was needed for both Kaido and King.
When Kaido was being defeated by Luffy, he thought of King. When King was being defeated by Zoro, he thought of Kaido.
Kaido is known for his toughness as a dragon, King is so tough that, as a dinousaur who wields the power of the Lunarians, he is tougher than even Kaido. His defense is just exceptional, even stronger than the one of Kaido's dragon scales.
Proof: Zoro's Tatsumaki. Oda creates a clear comparison for the readers to understand, makes Zoro use the same move, with completely different results, and puts the statement that King is something superior, in this field, to both dragons and dinosaurs.
Oh, and for our flat earthers special friends, let's remember that King is officially stated and confirmed to be the the leader of the All Stars, and the undesputable second strongest after Kaido.
Alber was literally chosen by Kaido as his right hand man just because of Kaido being impressed by his immense strength, and granted the name of King (King > Queen > Jack) because of that superior strength.
It's so funny... do you remember the usual flat earthers, how they moved their claims? Firstly they hyped King as much as they could, when they thought that Sanji would have been the one to fight and defeat him (which would have never happened lmao... the third fiddle Sanji was always meant to fight the third fiddle Queen).
Then they downplayed him as much as possible, saying that he was barely stronger than Queen, and that it would have been a 2 vs 2 battle between Wings and All Stars equals (again, so delusional, it's like believing that all the Supernovas are equals just because they are part of the same group lmao).
Then finally they had to admit that King is on a completely different level. Well, that's what the manga showed, exhibiting King as a deadly fighter who is a well rounded killer machine who wields the power of a race of gods that can survive everything, and Queen as a clown who can't even make decent usage of his own skills.
The same Zoro who was already strong enough to prove his might against Yonkos, even hurting Kaido to the point of leaving a scar (something that the joined strength of the Red Scabbards, multiple YC level characters combined, still weren't strong enough to do) and making Big Mom scream in worry, can't harm King in the slightest.
To beat King, he needs to receive a power up as important as Advanced Conqueror Haki. Before that, nothing seemed to scratch King, who hadn't even started to fight at his maximum, and still had remained immune to any kind of damage from someone as strong as Zoro. Adv CoC, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", was needed for Zoro to surpass King.
Plus we are showed the complete different portrayal of Kaido-King as a duo, while Kaido-Queen literally does not exist at all.
So their claims, as always, were proved wrong by the manga. So comical... so desperate... so cringe. Why do they always have to make a fool of themselves? Will they ever learn?
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"When Kaido was being defeated by Luffy, he thought of King. When King was being defeated by Zoro, he thought of Kaido."
Bar the obvious usual suspects, Luffy-Zoro and Roger-Rayleigh (I also like Kidd-Killer a lot, but they are far lesser than the others, strength wise) there even is a better duo than these two?
Kaido and King have an incredible bond, they really are such a great duo of Captain and Right Hand Man. They share a gargantuan amount of parallels that make them unique in the Beast Pirates.
Oda made that Kaido's strongest move and King's strongest move are a blatant reference one to the other. The visual similarity speaks for itself. They both have the same giant avatar of a magma shaped in the form of a dragon, just Kaido has an even greater scale and power than King.
Kaido, the Beast Pirates captain, was defeated by Luffy, the Strawhats captain and the future Pirate King. King, Kaido's right hand man, was defeated by Zoro, Luffy's right hand man and the future World's Strongest Swordsman.
Being Zoro a right hand man who is very close in strength to his captain, Zoro also fought against Kaido, gaining crazy feats and using his strength to protect Luffy, saving his captain's life many times. Zoro's attacks even threatened Kaido's life, and managed to wound the Yonko to the point of inflicting him a scar.
Later, to defeat Kaido, Luffy will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki. Later, to defeat King, Zoro will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki.
Adv CoC Haki, the power of the top tiers, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can" was needed for both Kaido and King.
When Kaido was being defeated by Luffy, he thought of King. When King was being defeated by Zoro, he thought of Kaido.
Kaido is known for his toughness as a dragon, King is so tough that, as a dinousaur who wields the power of the Lunarians, he is tougher than even Kaido. His defense is just exceptional, even stronger than the one of Kaido's dragon scales.
Proof: Zoro's Tatsumaki. Oda creates a clear comparison for the readers to understand, makes Zoro use the same move, with completely different results, and puts the statement that King is something superior, in this field, to both dragons and dinosaurs.
Oh, and for our flat earthers special friends, let's remember that King is officially stated and confirmed to be the the leader of the All Stars, and the undesputable second strongest after Kaido.
Alber was literally chosen by Kaido as his right hand man just because of Kaido being impressed by his immense strength, and granted the name of King (King > Queen > Jack) because of that superior strength.
It's so funny... do you remember the usual flat earthers, how they moved their claims? Firstly they hyped King as much as they could, when they thought that Sanji would have been the one to fight and defeat him (which would have never happened lmao... the third fiddle Sanji was always meant to fight the third fiddle Queen).
Then they downplayed him as much as possible, saying that he was barely stronger than Queen, and that it would have been a 2 vs 2 battle between Wings and All Stars equals (again, so delusional, it's like believing that all the Supernovas are equals just because they are part of the same group lmao).
Then finally they had to admit that King is on a completely different level. Well, that's what the manga showed, exhibiting King as a deadly fighter who is a well rounded killer machine who wields the power of a race of gods that can survive everything, and Queen as a clown who can't even make decent usage of his own skills.
The same Zoro who was already strong enough to prove his might against Yonkos, even hurting Kaido to the point of leaving a scar (something that the joined strength of the Red Scabbards, multiple YC level characters combined, still weren't strong enough to do) and making Big Mom scream in worry, can't harm King in the slightest.
To beat King, he needs to receive a power up as important as Advanced Conqueror Haki. Before that, nothing seemed to scratch King, who hadn't even started to fight at his maximum, and still had remained immune to any kind of damage from someone as strong as Zoro. Adv CoC, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", was needed for Zoro to surpass King.
Plus we are showed the complete different portrayal of Kaido-King as a duo, while Kaido-Queen literally does not exist at all.
So their claims, as always, were proved wrong by the manga. So comical... so desperate... so cringe. Why do they always have to make a fool of themselves? Will they ever learn?
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Kaido and King have an incredible bond, they really are such a great duo of Captain and Right Hand Man. They share a gargantuan amount of parallels that make them unique in the Beast Pirates.
Oda made that Kaido's strongest move and King's strongest move are a blatant reference one to the other. The visual similarity speaks for itself. They both have the same giant avatar of a magma shaped in the form of a dragon, just Kaido has an even greater scale and power than King.
Kaido, the Beast Pirates captain, was defeated by Luffy, the Strawhats captain and the future Pirate King. King, Kaido's right hand man, was defeated by Zoro, Luffy's right hand man and the future World's Strongest Swordsman.
Being Zoro a right hand man who is very close in strength to his captain, Zoro also fought against Kaido, gaining crazy feats and using his strength to protect Luffy, saving his captain's life many times. Zoro's attacks even threatened Kaido's life, and managed to wound the Yonko to the point of inflicting him a scar.
Later, to defeat Kaido, Luffy will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki. Later, to defeat King, Zoro will have to prove himself as a "King", unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki.
Adv CoC Haki, the power of the top tiers, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can" was needed for both Kaido and King.
When Kaido was being defeated by Luffy, he thought of King. When King was being defeated by Zoro, he thought of Kaido.
Kaido is known for his toughness as a dragon, King is so tough that, as a dinousaur who wields the power of the Lunarians, he is tougher than even Kaido. His defense is just exceptional, even stronger than the one of Kaido's dragon scales.
Proof: Zoro's Tatsumaki. Oda creates a clear comparison for the readers to understand, makes Zoro use the same move, with completely different results, and puts the statement that King is something superior, in this field, to both dragons and dinosaurs.
Oh, and for our flat earthers special friends, let's remember that King is officially stated and confirmed to be the the leader of the All Stars, and the undesputable second strongest after Kaido.
Alber was literally chosen by Kaido as his right hand man just because of Kaido being impressed by his immense strength, and granted the name of King (King > Queen > Jack) because of that superior strength.
It's so funny... do you remember the usual flat earthers, how they moved their claims? Firstly they hyped King as much as they could, when they thought that Sanji would have been the one to fight and defeat him (which would have never happened lmao... the third fiddle Sanji was always meant to fight the third fiddle Queen).
Then they downplayed him as much as possible, saying that he was barely stronger than Queen, and that it would have been a 2 vs 2 battle between Wings and All Stars equals (again, so delusional, it's like believing that all the Supernovas are equals just because they are part of the same group lmao).
Then finally they had to admit that King is on a completely different level. Well, that's what the manga showed, exhibiting King as a deadly fighter who is a well rounded killer machine who wields the power of a race of gods that can survive everything, and Queen as a clown who can't even make decent usage of his own skills.
The same Zoro who was already strong enough to prove his might against Yonkos, even hurting Kaido to the point of leaving a scar (something that the joined strength of the Red Scabbards, multiple YC level characters combined, still weren't strong enough to do) and making Big Mom scream in worry, can't harm King in the slightest.
To beat King, he needs to receive a power up as important as Advanced Conqueror Haki. Before that, nothing seemed to scratch King, who hadn't even started to fight at his maximum, and still had remained immune to any kind of damage from someone as strong as Zoro. Adv CoC, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", was needed for Zoro to surpass King.
Plus we are showed the complete different portrayal of Kaido-King as a duo, while Kaido-Queen literally does not exist at all.
So their claims, as always, were proved wrong by the manga. So comical... so desperate... so cringe. Why do they always have to make a fool of themselves? Will they ever learn?
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Also something I noticed, Rayleigh, Ben Beckman, Zoro, Killer and Shiryu are all older than their Captains and hold the VC position, are the n° 2 or the partner, King and Marco where adopted by their Captains and they're both the RHM and then there's the lowly son, Katakuri who has the same rank as Smoothie and Cracker and will be taking orders from Pedospero and a cook.
Yeah I mean this screams out loud
Plus the fact that Adv CoC was needed for Luffy and for Zoro to defeat Kaido and King
The difference is that while King is someone that Kaido adopted, Zoro has more a relationship as peers and equals with Luffy
Luffy is a bit stronger than him and the captain, but Zoro is close to him and acts as the big brother
Plus the fact that Adv CoC was needed for Luffy and for Zoro to defeat Kaido and King
The difference is that while King is someone that Kaido adopted, Zoro has more a relationship as peers and equals with Luffy
Luffy is a bit stronger than him and the captain, but Zoro is close to him and acts as the big brother