Break Week Kaido Jr

[Paperchampion23]

But this is exactly the interesting part about it. That Kaido, a very strong thing whose existence is labelled as horrifying, had a son who is actually weak yet he won't disrespect him because he's his own blood and even loves him. Oda can make it boring by turning Kaido Jr. into another super-strong, high-ranked enemy, or he can actually write a compelling story to enrich his villain (and he has every element to make it work, I mean literally everything from Kaido's potential unnatural existence to his connection to Oden and Momonosuke and the contrast between his strength and his son's weakness).

As much as this could work, remember that this is a shonen aimed at young boys primarily. Considering Oda's love for hierarchy:

- Boroque Works Mr. rankings
- 4 Priests under Enel
- Doriki rankings w/ CP9
- Doflamingo's Suits and who they command
- Blackbeards "10 Titanic Captains"
- Big Mom's Sweet Commanders
- Kaido's All Stars and Named Cards (i.e. Numbers, Jack, Queen, King)

Its better to assume Kaido has an Ace. Thats just me, I really am starting to believe that Kaido is NOT Luffy's main battle this arc.

Remember, Katakuri wasn't introduced until halfway into WCI.


Edit: And the only reason I'm saying this is Luffy is really showing off his overconfidence right now over a singular Haki powerup. To me:

- Struggling and Defeating the Ace, if he exists.
- Teaming up with Law, Kidd, Hawkins, Apoo and Drake to take on Kaido and/or Big Mom

Will show that while Luffy can topple Yonko WITH HELP, he can't aim to defeat one solely on his own (I.E. Blackbeard/Shanks) or Yonko level fighters (Akainu, possibly the Gorosei/Im), and he still would have more improvements to go and take them on.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

As much as this could work, remember that this is a shonen aimed at young boys primarily. Considering Oda's love for hierarchy:

- Boroque Works Mr. rankings
- 4 Priests under Enel
- Doriki rankings w/ CP9
- Doflamingo's Suits and who they command
- Blackbeards "10 Titanic Captains"
- Big Mom's Sweet Commanders
- Kaido's All Stars and Named Cards (i.e. Numbers, Jack, Queen, King)

Its better to assume Kaido has an Ace. Thats just me, I really am starting to believe that Kaido is NOT Luffy's main battle this arc.

Remember, Katakuri wasn't introduced until halfway into WCI.


Edit: And the only reason I'm saying this is Luffy is really showing off his overconfidence right now over a singular Haki powerup. To me:

- Struggling and Defeating the Ace, if he exists.
- Teaming up with Law, Kidd, Hawkins, Apoo and Drake to take on Kaido and/or Big Mom

Will show that while Luffy can topple Yonko WITH HELP, he can't aim to defeat one solely on his own (I.E. Blackbeard/Shanks) or Yonko level fighters (Akainu, possibly the Gorosei/Im), and he still would have more improvements to go and take them on.

But hierarchy doesn't equal strength. Kaido Jr. could be the Ace yet be far from the strength expected to such role. For example, the Corazón seat was portrayed to belong to Doflamingo's most valued subordinate (first Vergo, arguably the strongest after Doffy, eventually Law if he had stayed) but he decided to give it to Rocinante, who never seemed to be as strong as any fellow officer but was his blood brother.

Similarly, Baroque Works rankings weren't based on strength; for example, Mr. 3 was explicitly stated to be worse of a fighter than Mr. 4 and I think we will all agree that Miss Doublefinger was no match for Mr. 2. Or how Jesus Burgess is the captain of Blackbeard's first ship even though it is unlikely that he's second to Teach in power, and why not? Streusen may be considered the "king" of the Big Mom Pirates as the cofounder of the crew and he is weaker than the likes of the Sweet Commanders.

So for all we know Kaido Jr. may be Kaido's Ace yet a weak individual in comparison to the Calamities or even lower ranks.

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

Knowing Oda, he didn't give Kaido a son, just to have another strong man on the Beast Pirates side.

Powerful, maybe, but Oda is going to explore the father-son relationship & dynamic between the two, I can already see a story as old as time:

'Parent gets mad because kid is up in his room not showing his face (shut in?) when ther're guest over'.
"My Son, is he going to show up at the very least, this is a banquet!"​

So I think we can at least surmise that their relationship is a bit "strained". Way Kaido is, he may have harshly parented his son, in effort to make son more like him, when he's not, which could have strained their bond; Kaido's an alcoholic with a range of emotions in that state so that could add more strain.

But I expect something a bit different cuz we've already seen this type of father-son relationship in Judge and Sanji.

I personally think Kaido son, is a type like Law, more reserved, more intelligent, disagrees with some of his father's ideals but not all, an introvert shut in but powerful, and in some ways like his father, and also assists him from strategic points at times. I'd like him to play a role in Kaido's crew maybe not necessarily from fighting perspective but something at the head quarters (Onigashima).

I imagine a character that look like this but taller, more built lean physique and with horns

 

[Paperchampion23]

But hierarchy doesn't equal strength. Kaido Jr. could be the Ace yet be far from the strength expected to such role. For example, the Corazón seat was portrayed to belong to Doflamingo's most valued subordinate (first Vergo, arguably the strongest after Doffy, eventually Law if he had stayed) but he decided to give it to Rocinante, who never seemed to be as strong as any fellow officer but was his blood brother.

Similarly, Baroque Works rankings weren't based on strength; for example, Mr. 3 was explicitly stated to be worse of a fighter than Mr. 4 and I think we will all agree that Miss Doublefinger was no match for Mr. 2. Or how Jesus Burgess is the captain of Blackbeard's first ship even though it is unlikely that he's second to Teach in power, and why not? Streusen may be considered the "king" of the Big Mom Pirates as the cofounder of the crew and he is weaker than the likes of the Sweet Commanders.

So for all we know Kaido Jr. may be Kaido's Ace yet a weak individual in comparison to the Calamities or even lower ranks.

We'll just have to wait and see. Its one of those things where we just don't have enough evidence otherwise.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Whether Katakuri is Kaido's son or not it's not a coincidence that the community has been speculating about Kaido's son since WCI arc. Keep in mind that the theoris about Katakuri being Kaido's son appeared when people started to see a clear simuleretis between Katakuri, Daifuku, Oven and Kaido (and we know that all three of them were born from same father) if the simuleretis were found only in one of them then there would be a room for cuencedens, even if two of them had simuleretis with Kaido there still would be a room for cuencedens, but all three of them? And the simuleretis are so clear, it isn't a small thing that we could ignore for example; Oven literally looks like Kaido, Katakuri has a tattoo on the same arm as Kaido, has a skull on the same arm as Kaido, Katakuri has same clothe as Young Kaido (literally the same), Katakuri has a skull on his belt as Kaido, Katakuri has same bracelet as Kaido, Katakuri even has same Warrior code as Kaido (fighting fair), he respects strength as Kaido etc. Daifuku has same mustaches as Kaido (just small) and the letters on their name can be used to write Kaido. I mean there is no way it's a cuencedens, I'm not pushing the agenda or trying to convince you, it's hard to believe that Katakuri is Kaido's son even for me but for some reason he made those simuleretis and I can't find any reason outside of foreshadowing.

 

[The Penguin]

I still personally think the Underworld has a massive connection to a future arc/plotline. We really only got to know 2 of 6 Underworld emperors (1 was a Joke it seems yes, but there are 3 others that barely got a presence on WCI).

Oda does NOT introduce characters for no reason, and its clear that characters like this play a role in future content. I'm not saying they have to be strong, just important.

If this person is in fact Kaido's son/Ace, I will be definitely looking forward to the potential the Underworld has moving forward.

Be confident that at least all these dudes from the image are strong!

You are talking about Du Feld, Umit, Peclo, Giberson and Morgans, right? Well, these ones are more likely political figures and not fighters it self.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

What if Kaido son is Momo age, I'll laugh my ass off if he be Momo opponent.

 

[Akuma_Law]

There was no hint of him being already there in the Oden death flashback, so in my opinion he was probably born in Wano after that and he's younger than Momo true age (between 18-29 in age)
And I can imagine Kaido asking Orochi to let him raise and train him as a Samurai in the main Wano land. (This way he can control Wano more) And this Kaido Jr dream is to be surpassing Oden!
That would be dope

I just really want to see a powerful Samurai using 2 or 3 swordsman style, we are in Wano the land of the Swordsmen and Samurai yet we have no top powerful Swordsman for Zoro to fight! Zoro's dream is to be WSS yet he haven't fought any true swordsman in the new world yet

 

[FaceFaultTV]

I wanna bring in some ideas from Japanese Mythology about Kaidos possible son.

Like we know Kaido is based on Shuten-Douji, the Oni King who loved sake. He lived in a castle in a mountain. One Day the Samurai and his retainers had the quest to hunt Shuten-Douji down. They dressed as Priests and gave Shuten-Douji some Sake which let him fall to sleep and than they beheaded him.

-Shuten-Douji had one subordinate named Ibaraki-Douji which in a couple legends is Shuten-Doujis Adopted Son and his most important servant. So maybe Kaidos son isnt blood related.
But Shuten-Douji had in legend even a real son, with the Name Kidomaru. The problem with the legend is, that Kidomaru was born AFTER -Shuten-Douji was beheaded. And he searched for revenge for his father. But maybe Oda twisted the story abit and he is already alive and based on Kidomaru. Even the name is kinda similiar and translated it means Oniboy.
-The last possible son reference could be Kaidomaru or better known as Kintoki. A character which Sentomaru is based on. There are 2 things why he could be related to Kaido. The first is the name Kaidomaru. The second is, in some legends it is told that Kintokis Mother got pregnant because of the clap of thunder sent from a red dragon. Kintoki is better known as a Retainer of the Samurai Raiko who killed Shuten-Douji. So that could relate to a possible alliance between Luffy and Kaidos Son.

So do with that Mythological references what you want, i just like to give oil into the fire :P.

 

[Akuma_Law]

What if Kaido son is Momo age, I'll laugh my ass off if he be Momo opponent.

You mean his true age? Because Momo should be about 28 years old now if he haven't skipped time forward lmao

 

[FaceFaultTV]

man somehow my head is rolling today. As im working on a Video about Kaidos Son right know i came to another Idea.
I always had a weird feeling on Chapter 973. There Kaido went to Odens castle after he killed Oden.
Out of all 3 Characters there (Momo, Hiyori and Toki) he took Kaido and hold him out of the castle implying he will let him fall down.
They had a little shit talk Momo cried a bit.
Kaido wanted to kill Momonosuke, but instead of just letting him fall. He throwed him back into the castle and flew away. I always thought that was weird.
But now it would make sense, if Kaidos own son is weak.
Holding Momonosuke who cried he remembered his own son who he always fought is weak, maybe because he is physical weak or just does not want to fight.
And therefore he couldnt kill Momo because he remebered him about his own son.
But that would mean, at that time Kaido already had his son.
But that would also explain why Kaido talked so rude about his son in the most recent chapter. Kaido did not sound as if he would have had much love for him.
And it would explain why his Son does not attend the Banquet. He just hates his father or does not care about him.
That could lead to a possible alliance between Kaidos Son and the Strawhat. At least he should be one who knows Kaidos weak point if he has one.

 

[Paperchampion23]

man somehow my head is rolling today. As im working on a Video about Kaidos Son right know i came to another Idea.
I always had a weird feeling on Chapter 973. There Kaido went to Odens castle after he killed Oden.
Out of all 3 Characters there (Momo, Hiyori and Toki) he took Kaido and hold him out of the castle implying he will let him fall down.
They had a little shit talk Momo cried a bit.
Kaido wanted to kill Momonosuke, but instead of just letting him fall. He throwed him back into the castle and flew away. I always thought that was weird.
But now it would make sense, if Kaidos own son is weak.
Holding Momonosuke who cried he remembered his own son who he always fought is weak, maybe because he is physical weak or just does not want to fight.
And therefore he couldnt kill Momo because he remebered him about his own son.
But that would mean, at that time Kaido already had his son.
But that would also explain why Kaido talked so rude about his son in the most recent chapter. Kaido did not sound as if he would have had much love for him.
And it would explain why his Son does not attend the Banquet. He just hates his father or does not care about him.
That could lead to a possible alliance between Kaidos Son and the Strawhat. At least he should be one who knows Kaidos weak point if he has one.

It actually sounds like the opposite lol. He wants him at the banquet and isnt rudely talking about him. Hes asking why he isnt there

 

[FaceFaultTV]

Yeah he wants him there, but i dont think because he loves him so much. More in a dont embarass me way.
I mean if they would be in good terms, he wouldnt talk like this, shout and scream like he would be mad.
Or he is annoyed that he has to jump behind him.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I feel like Kaido's son is going to have a mythical zoan. Given all his wealth and power, Kaido would surely want to reserve any mythical zoan he can get his hands on for his son.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yeah he wants him there, but i dont think because he loves him so much. More in a dont embarass me way.
I mean if they would be in good terms, he wouldnt talk like this, shout and scream like he would be mad.
Or he is annoyed that he has to jump behind him.

Hes mad that hes NOT at the party lol, indicating he WANTS him there

 

[Topi Jerami]

Very weak, a failure of a son just like what Sanji is for Judge.

As someone who respects the strong person and as someone who also wants to die and had tried to suicide before, there must be a reason why Kaido did the latter.
The reason is because he is greatly dissapointed with his son, not living to his expectations.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Very weak, a failure of a son just like what Sanji is for Judge.

As someone who respects the strong person and as someone who also wants to die and had tried to suicide before, there must be a reason why Kaido did the latter.
The reason is because he is greatly dissapointed with his son, not living to his expectations.

Yeah kinda like Oden and Moms.

If Kaido is like Zoro
Kaido Jr is like Sanji

 

[Monet]

i will say this , oda introduce jinbe as SH member in 976 then , he hint for kaido son in 977
so jinbe vs kaido son

 

[Paperchampion23]

i will say this , oda introduce jinbe as SH member in 976 then , he hint for kaido son in 977
so jinbe vs kaido son

Not sure how either of the 2 correlate but ok. The son was only mentioned anyway...

 

[S.W317]

Smh, soo much headcanon. Damn you Oda, why did you have to go on a break NOW? I swear these 2 weeks will be painful reading all these retarded speculations that is meant to fulfil their author's fantasies