Character Discussion Kaido Knew Much More Than We Thought. Oda Fumbled Hard.

#42
Nice catch, but I don't really care. If anything, I like that these small details get tied in and that we might get something about him later on. But it's just trivia.

It's not that bad if you consider that, despite being "the strongest", Kaido was just another obstacle to take down before the final arc. Kaido's role wasn't about what he knew, it was just about him being a powerhungry warlord who took over Wano, and barely at the end he hinted about knowing anything about Joyboy. I never expected anything more from him than what we got, as that was always how he was presented.


The alternative would have been to get the Elbaph arc before Wano, and that would have and it would have been changed the whole plot to a small Zou-like arc with not much relevance outside of cryptic lore.

However, getting the Elbaph arc before Wano would have had the benefit of learning about Nika at least earlier than 5 minutes before Luffy awakened it.
 
#43
Nice catch, but I don't really care. If anything, I like that these small details get tied in and that we might get something about him later on. But it's just trivia.

It's not that bad if you consider that, despite being "the strongest", Kaido was just another obstacle to take down before the final arc. Kaido's role wasn't about what he knew, it was just about him being a powerhungry warlord who took over Wano, and barely at the end he hinted about knowing anything about Joyboy. I never expected anything more from him than what we got, as that was always how he was presented.


The alternative would have been to get the Elbaph arc before Wano, and that would have and it would have been changed the whole plot to a small Zou-like arc with not much relevance outside of cryptic lore.

However, getting the Elbaph arc before Wano would have had the benefit of learning about Nika at least earlier than 5 minutes before Luffy awakened it.
His thoughts about joyboy got thrown away quickly
 
#44
His thoughts about joyboy got thrown away quickly
"I want to be Joyboy but I can't, whoever defeats me must be Joyboy".

The second part was a baseless assumption on his part even if he was right, so the only mystery that got thrown away is "Why does he want to be Joyboy" specifically and not Nika like every giant wants.
 
#45
"I want to be Joyboy but I can't, whoever defeats me must be Joyboy".

The second part was a baseless assumption on his part even if he was right, so the only mystery that got thrown away is "Why does he want to be Joyboy" specifically and not Nika like every giant wants.
Maybe joyboy was for him metaphor for liberator and hero
 
#47
Tryna find out some historical myth in google....(Though I don't know if it's credible)
The Serpent of Hell:
The Serpent of Hell, also known as the Serpent of Jogoku, was a greater demon from the realm of Jigoku that was released when a meteor fell from the stars and struck the land of Sekaiden
(Jigoku is just a realm that the SoH lived)

Sekaiden:
Also known as the Jade Lands, is a continent on the west of the world. It is the place where the Empire of the Sun reigns
(Seems Oda doesn't invoke all these lore randomly)

More about the SoH:
Even in death, its power was such that it's blood spawned the first Oni when it touched the ground when it was slayed.
Because of it creating the Oni from it's death, it is worshipped by Oni as their creator kami

Maybe the Onigashimaa skull was really the skull of some ancient serpent/creatures which gave birth to Oni. Kaido might know this, preserve the skull and even build his empire within it.
 

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#48
"I want to be Joyboy but I can't, whoever defeats me must be Joyboy".

The second part was a baseless assumption on his part even if he was right, so the only mystery that got thrown away is "Why does he want to be Joyboy" specifically and not Nika like every giant wants.
If his knowledge of Joy Boy comes from the party about him ”sowing the seeds of war” or whatever the translation actually is, it actually makes sense that he’s the figure that Kaido aspires towards rather than Nika.
 
#50
Kaido had an attack called Conqueror of Three Worlds - Ragnaraku



Three worlds huh?



And Ragnarok...

Why tie so much of Kaido's lore to stuff that you couldn't reveal in Wano, is Oda's writing really this incompetent?

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So people still hate on Oda and call him and his writing incompetent. I wonder if those people would have the competence to write such a moving and successful story. Again WG tards being WG tards.
I can write a better story in my sleep. Sorry Lolda isn’t KishimotoGOAT
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Because Oda fumbled with Kaido, lot's of unexplored/missing opportunities

Could have even tied with the ancient giant lore by making him a halfling, him and Harald even look similar

But then Wano might have lasted 170 chapters, but still shows incompetence tbh, he would have needed far less if he just cut off the Olin bullshit
Sorry Lolda can never write something as peak as the Hidan vs Shikamaru fight
 
#53
Seriously compare Big Mom pirates and WCI. Totoland just screams Big Mom, everything is influenced by her etc. Wano is objectively just influenced by Orochis resentment towards everyone. Look at the flower capitol and Ebisu town. Nothing going on there has anything to do with Kaidos ideology.
Weapons factory, pollution, slave labor and scorched earth all scream Kaido to me.
 
#54
There is no doubt oda fumbled with Kaido's characterization by a big margin. Not even expanding on Kaido's oni race was beyond idiotic.

Kaido and Harold look very similar + harold has horns so good chance they are related.

Also king most likely knows about the history of joyboy and the worlds and told Kaido about it.
Kaido getting more backstory arcs later… this is Arlong level treatment for a villain that had 10 years of build up

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