Powers & Abilities Kaido said "Only Haki can transcend all" in fact he's right tho

#44
He was talking about the complete mastery of all hakis as the pinnacle. Dfs for the most part only gives you limited applications in a fight unless you get a versatile fruit. In comparison, mastery of all 3 hakis makes you an all-rounder in a fight.

For example, gura gura or logias like magu magu will give you what it promises which is top-tier AP. If you can’t fight properly and get blitzed by a CoO master then you will still lose regardless. Agenda masters spins Kaido’s statement as ACoC alone is the strongest ability in terms of offense. Which is entirely false, the same guy’s strongest ability that can destroy an island is made entirely possible because of a fruit lol
 
#48
No, Kaido was wrong

"Haki transcends all", and yet

-Ancient Weapons don't use haki
-Ability that could "destroy the world", the Gura, is a devil-fruit and not Haki
-Emeth, no haki

Seems to me that technology and devil-fruits are what actually pose a threat on the global scale and Kaido was just talking out of his ass
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#49
Oda was completely drunk when he wrote that or there is something that we don't know, for example a new type of hari or, more likely, a new level of haki

Whitebeard was the strongest man even during "roger's era"

Gura gura + haki > roger's haki + swordsmanship

Kaido, not shanks, was the strongest pirate alive, with a powerful df and powerful haki

Teach (maybe) will surpass wb, with two of the strongest df

Luffy will surpass everyone and he has a legendary fruit, nika is the core of the op's plot

In op, no one has reached the top of the word, in terms of power level, without a df
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Kaido's statement only makes sense if there exist a haki which completely negates DFs like sea stones do.

Other than that logic dictates strongest DF + Strongest Haki > Only strongest Haki.

Kaido's strongest attack was combo of DF ability and adv coc.
Yeah, or a new level of haki.... maybe shanks has the advanced version of the advanced king's haki

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#50
Whitebeard, Akainu, Xebec, Sengoku, Blackbeard, Aokiji, Luffy, Kizaru, Fujitora, Shiki, Greenbull, Kaido, Dragon
Devil fruit users have a much higher ceiling generally speaking
Devil fruits are better for the average guy. Haki takes time and a lot of life and death situations to blossom to the level of Roger,Ryuma,Muhawk and so on. Very few can reach this ceilling.
 
#51
Devil fruits are better for the average guy. Haki takes time and a lot of life and death situations to blossom to the level of Roger,Ryuma,Muhawk and so on. Very few can reach this ceilling.
We know nothing about Ryuma & Mihawk’s haki
As for Roger, he was matched in a haki clash against Whitebeard, a devil fruit user
Nothing says a devil fruit user can’t have haki stronger than a non df user (when all are in the same tier ofc)
 
#52
We know nothing about Ryuma & Mihawk’s haki
As for Roger, he was matched in a haki clash against Whitebeard, a devil fruit user
Nothing says a devil fruit user can’t have haki stronger than a non df user (when all are in the same tier ofc)
Dude, devil fruits take time to master. DF user need to train both Haki and DF powers. Its only natural for a haki specialist to have better mastery of haki. Lets not forget strong enough haki can make devil fruit powers useless. Haki has infinite potential. Devil fruits do not.
 
#53
Dude, devil fruits take time to master. DF user need to train both Haki and DF powers. Its only natural for a haki specialist to have better mastery of haki. Lets not forget strong enough haki can make devil fruit powers useless. Haki has infinite potential. Devil fruits do not.
Swordsmanship/ skill takes time to master too, for marines it is rokushiki/ physical strength etc
Every form of fighting needs time, and every form of fighting is useless without haki
Akainu’s magma fists would be useless without strong haki for example
Same for Kizaru’s speed
And haki includes all 3 types

Basically, haki is willpower at the end of the day, the stronger you are the more powerful the haki
Devil fruits/ blades/ martial arts are supplementary, they can make or break a fight, but haki is what connects the dots
 
#54
Swordsmanship/ skill takes time to master too, for marines it is rokushiki/ physical strength etc
Every form of fighting needs time, and every form of fighting is useless without haki
Akainu’s magma fists would be useless without strong haki for example
Same for Kizaru’s speed
And haki includes all 3 types

Basically, haki is willpower at the end of the day, the stronger you are the more powerful the haki
Devil fruits/ blades/ martial arts are supplementary, they can make or break a fight, but haki is what connects the dots
Lol why should akainus use haki on his magma fists which are dangerous and destructive anyway
 
#55
Lol why should akainus use haki on his magma fists which are dangerous and destructive anyway
Because someone with powerful enough haki can stop the brute force of Akainu’s physical strength and magma ability
Just like Kizaru uses haki with his lightsword
Or Aramaki with his vines
If he’s fighting fodder it doesn’t matter though
 
#56
Dude, devil fruits take time to master. DF user need to train both Haki and DF powers. Its only natural for a haki specialist to have better mastery of haki. Lets not forget strong enough haki can make devil fruit powers useless. Haki has infinite potential. Devil fruits do not.
Haki having infinite potential does not stop devil fruit user to reach that same potential which in the end makes him stronger overall than person with only same level of said haki without devil fruit.
 
#59
Haki alone is all it takes, even if his ultimate attack is centered around his Devil Fruit it's still him outputting an island level coating of haki equal to or greater than his Flaming Drum Dragon

Devil Fruits are accessories, people like Roger or Garp casually dished out attacks the scale of Galaxy Impact, the endgame Haki users only get more lightning explosion effects
 
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