Character Discussion Kaido's fallen reputation

[Dragon777]

I'll start saying this is more for the lol of it.

According to Eiichiro Oda, Hassaikai does not have a rank (位列, iretsu?), though if Kaidou were to leave the weapon behind, it would be called a "legend".

That‘s more impressive than the chosen one weapon trope, so Kaido making an non ranked weapon, legendary is more impressive.

In some way, it is.

Those are two sides of the coin.

Kaido falling 10km down isn‘t less impressive of what happened to Loki.

The impressive fact was that Loki was a toddler and then as a kid, without any scales.

Loki having a chosen •“god“ fruit isn‘t also better than Kaido having a mythical one, because of the chosen trope which is actually rejected by a lot of readers, so I don‘t know why suddenly this •“chosen god stuff“ is being celebrated.

Which is quite funny, I am sure you'll agree.

Also we had whole Wano about this dragon-thing, and the GV FB about Kaido searching for a powerful fruit etc.

But mostly this comes from people claiming Kaido was basically the ultimate lifeform.

Everything else goes for Loki, but at the end of the day Loki is a protagonist, Kaido is a villain. Would Loki beat him? High likely, but comparing Kaido with a protagonist is kinda redundant.

Kaido should be compared with other antagonists and villain

Seriously speaking, I agree.

It's not Kaido's fault; Loki powercliffed Roger, WB, Garp, etc. too.

 

[WaidoWSC]

I'll start saying this is more for the lol of it.




In some way, it is.

Those are two sides of the coin.



The impressive fact was that Loki was a toddler and then as a kid, without any scales.

Which is quite funny, I am sure you'll agree.

Also we had whole Wano about this dragon-thing, and the GV FB about Kaido searching for a powerful fruit etc.

But mostly this comes from people claiming Kaido was basically the ultimate lifeform.



Seriously speaking, I agree.

It's not Kaido's fault; Loki powercliffed Roger, WB, Garp, etc. too.

Yes Kaido searched for a powerful DF, got lucky that BM stole a mythical Zoan from child Kuma and took it her away from her, but I doubt he was aware of any •“god fruits“ anyway.

Agreed, but my point also is, that Kaido doesn‘t come from a legendary bloodline (as we know)

Loki on the other hand is Harald‘s son, has the chosen weapon and chosen god fruit trope, may be a direct descendant of the Warrior God..

Just like Luffy, just like BB with Xebec and Davy Jones and just like Shanks perhaps.

So again why is this chosen one god trope bs now being celebrated & used against Kaido, who just became strong for he is and not what bloodline or other chosen one trope bs being thrown on him. Kaido as a young man was already rebellious against the celestial dogs, that‘s based for a young male.

Also unlike the rest of the Roger and Rock‘s pirate Kaido wasn‘t gooning for Shakky… While Loki was simping for Lola that‘s an entire L for generations.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Sums up Roger legacy and how he could escape from any argument.
Cause if he never fought, he can't lose
😂
What a way to keep dodging the answer everyone would know

Ironically, you are trying to get further away from the point that Loki has no credibility. The only big names he fought were his dad and the guy who chained him up.

You should add words because this has nothing to do with what you quoted.

I'm trying to make some sense and connect dots

It's good that you tried, at least. Unfortunately, Roger's reputation meant more to Kaido.

How he needs Harald and the fruit to fight the world even tho he has WB with his fruits already etc etc.
And how Loki turn out to be that guy Xebec wish he got + better
Roger himself was inside these bubble.
Including his greatest battle in his career.
Connec the dots

Roger beat Rocks lol

Yea as you keep bringing up Roger
The PK, that claim one piece, biggest bounty
Rivaled by only WSM Whitebeard etc
I can't think of anything else other than 2011 power scaling debate and old gen wank...

Kaido's words are about three years old. Roger's bounty is also about three years old now.

 

[Dragon777]

You should add words because this has nothing to do with what you quoted.

Wasn't that the part about Loki>Roger?

So again why is this chosen one god trope bs now being celebrated & used against Kaido, who just became strong for he is and not what bloodline or other chosen one trope bs being thrown on him

While I agree in general, truth to be told Kaido fans were hyping the shit out the Oni thing back in the day.

 

[kekaro]

And Shanks had to wait for both this fraud and even bigger fruad Big Meme to get of the picture before he was brave enough to make his move.

😹😹😹😹

How much of a fruad is shanks?

Shanks is lame agree

 

[WaidoWSC]

Wasn't that the part about Loki>Roger?


While I agree in general, truth to be told Kaido fans were hyping the shit out the Oni thing back in the day.

Yes and nowadays proven to be irrelevant^^

 

[Dragon777]

Yes and nowadays proven to be irrelevant^^

I agree, though it's why now there is some clowning.

But as said, tbh, Loki surpassed everyone, so. People are angry because of WB and Roger too, and so on.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Wasn't that the part about Loki>Roger?

He probably threw some shit about that into the stuff I told him was irrelevant, sure lol

Loki > Roger is a dumb argument when it comes to reputation, so I'd imagine trying to shift to a power level discussion although that's almost as big of a disaster.

 

[WaidoWSC]

agree, though it's why now there is some clowning

No what I meant, that the Oni race is irrelevant.

Loki‘s race is being hyped more and another chosen one trope being thrown on him.

 

[Dragon777]

He probably threw some shit about that into the stuff I told him was irrelevant, sure lol

Loki > Roger is a dumb argument when it comes to reputation, so I'd imagine trying to shift to a power level discussion although that's almost as big of a disaster.

Loki's reputation was clearly under Roger. WG didn't know the two most important things about him.

No what I meant, that the Oni race is irrelevant.

Loki‘s race is being hyped more and another chosen one trope being thrown on him.

Sure, it's true. I was only saying that since it was a big argument back in the day, now there is some "backlash".

But I agree, end of the day the oni thing was not relevant. Ancient giants (and mutant ancient giant at that, as Loki is) are another matter completely.

 

[Blahmigooo]

Ironically, you are trying to get further away from the point that Loki has no credibility. The only big names he fought were his dad and the guy who chained him up.

Destroy him so hard and kills him that surprises Gaban; who knows his crew with prime Roger couldn't kill Sommers lvl Holy Knights.
Shock Imu too that a guy weaker than Roger is defeated :))
Shanks vs Loki unseen footage to downplay Loki is baseless

It's good that you tried, at least. Unfortunately, Roger's reputation meant more to Kaido.

Yeah Kaido is not wrong, Roger reputation is the biggest, that's what Roger also actively trying to farm.
There's no other who have bigger reputation than him towards current generation by sole reason of being PK. But how's that relate to him being top1 in battle.

Nobody really brings up Loki until Elbaf because he's an end game secret character, and would be massive spoiler that would disrupt one piece flow of the story if he was relevant as early as Roger, WB.
At least Big mom knows Loki and says if she got Loki, she'll crush all 3 Yonko, is that looking more legit, no?

Kaido's words are about three years old. Roger's bounty is also about three years old now.

3 years old.... before Loki story and how he completely break the power scaling.
And Rogers bounty to upscale him over Loki in current day events is a meme at this point.
What would give Loki higher bounty than Roger? When he's mostly unknown to the world.

 

[Blahmigooo]

Roger beat Rocks lol

Ah i see
Let's stop for now.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Destroy him so hard and kills him that surprises Gaban; who knows his crew with prime Roger couldn't kill Sommers lvl Holy Knights.

You actually know the difference between couldn't and didn't. As hard as you'd want to pretend, you already pointed to a clue: Gaban. You think old Gaban would make him panic if Roger couldn't kill him? Of course not.

Shock Imu too that a guy weaker than Roger is defeated :))
Shanks vs Loki unseen footage to downplay Loki is baseless

If the full context with Harald losing doesn't matter, then neither does the context for Loki losing

Hell most of the big names don't know Loki and his capabilities.

Exactly, he's irrelevant.

What would give Loki higher bounty than Roger? When he's unknown to the world.

Getting past Shanks is a good start

 

[HerreraIsBack]

There is a reason Imu never summoned himself at Wano. And is not because of Kaido.

 

[Roo]

Name 9 antagonists stronger than Kaido. Obviously we don't know for sure exactly who Luffy will fight, but 9 who can conceivably beat Kaido man to man OR have a bigger story than Wano

the gorosei + Imu + Shamrock + whatever other side character Oda will introduce

 

[soupongo]

To be fair, he is stronger than Garlings crippled son. Not sure about Shamrock though.

 

[Fn Lucci]

the gorosei + Imu + Shamrock + whatever other side character Oda will introduce

Lmao, the Gorosei aren't stronger than Kaido. Shamrock, idk why you assume that using his dog walker attack on a bound dude, and not even getting it done, would qualify him. Even Shanks didn't have a conclusive fight.

 

[nik87]

Imu cant hurt Doffys hype tool, forget abt hurting Kaido.

 

[Roo]

Lmao, the Gorosei aren't stronger than Kaido.

Kizaru and the Gorosei made a joke out of the man who beat Kaido

 

[Fn Lucci]

Kizaru and the Gorosei made a joke out of the man who beat Kaido

"Kizaru and the Gorosei"
Lmao sure. Individually?

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