Powers & Abilities Kaidou said "only Haki can transcend all", so...
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Luffy in his words practically said that if it wasn't for Haki he would have lost his arm to Kaidou, after all Acoc and Acoa was what kept Kaidou "away" from him, without the haki imbued in his blow, Adcoc and Acoa, Luffy's finisher would be just another physical blow that wouldn't be able to bypass Kaidou's durability, have you stopped to think?
It was the Haki that made Luffy's attacks effective and not his DF.
It was the Haki that made Luffy's attacks effective and not his DF.
Physics - Luffy was punching down. If he was in Kaido's position, he would have probably lost the clash just due to less favourable spot.
Kaido ran out of juice - Flame clouds disappeared during the clash and Kaido has shown no signs of haki usage in that attack.
The last time they had a clash of hakis, Kaido won. There was no indication that Awakening has tipped the haki in Luffy's favor. If you want to give all the praise to Rupee-chin, he won the clash fair and square and Kaido was simply reduced to 0 stamina from the hit.
Personally, I think the clash went into Luffy's favor was because of combination of physics and Kaido not showing any signs of haki usage which also ties in with flame clouds disappearing.
Kaido ran out of juice - Flame clouds disappeared during the clash and Kaido has shown no signs of haki usage in that attack.
The last time they had a clash of hakis, Kaido won. There was no indication that Awakening has tipped the haki in Luffy's favor. If you want to give all the praise to Rupee-chin, he won the clash fair and square and Kaido was simply reduced to 0 stamina from the hit.
Personally, I think the clash went into Luffy's favor was because of combination of physics and Kaido not showing any signs of haki usage which also ties in with flame clouds disappearing.
I dunno. I imagine he could have still mustered the strength to keep his Haki up during the final clash. Hell, even Rosinante was able to keep up his sound barrier while he was dying, long enough to save Law and allow for him to escape. When compared to that, I doubt Kaidou couldn't use Haki even when really exhausted and pissed.
You are missing the big picture.
Haki transcends all because the Pirate King is the conqueror atop conquerors, because haoshoku is the quality of the king and you obviously can't be the supreme king if someone is above you. It has nothing to do with whether Luffy defeated Kaidou because he had stronger haki or not since neither Luffy nor Kaidou were the supreme kings of anything.
Kaidou used Roger as an example for a reason. We know you can defeat an enemy with stronger haki than yours (even when you have no haki whatsoever), but Kaidou was talking about the top of the top and the story, nor his good guys, nor his bad guys have reached there yet. These words held more narrative weight than immediate power scaling value.
Haki transcends all because the Pirate King is the conqueror atop conquerors, because haoshoku is the quality of the king and you obviously can't be the supreme king if someone is above you. It has nothing to do with whether Luffy defeated Kaidou because he had stronger haki or not since neither Luffy nor Kaidou were the supreme kings of anything.
Kaidou used Roger as an example for a reason. We know you can defeat an enemy with stronger haki than yours (even when you have no haki whatsoever), but Kaidou was talking about the top of the top and the story, nor his good guys, nor his bad guys have reached there yet. These words held more narrative weight than immediate power scaling value.
Because Kaido as a knowledgeable character who faced all the great pirates, is more credible than us. Luffy at the end will have one of the most powerful fruits on top of maxed out Hakis. With BB's Yami interfering with Luffy's fruit, Luffy being more reliant on Haki against the one stuffed with multiple top tier fruits.
What's wrong with Kaido's statement? He didn't say that fruits are useless. He said that Haki has a higher ceiling, which is true. WB had top tier Hakis and a top tier fruit, yet was matched by Roger who had no fruit at all. There is no DF user that, without Haki, would stand even the slightest chance against top tier Haki users like Roger and Shanks. Luffy or BB without Haki get neg diffed by Roger.
What's wrong with Kaido's statement? He didn't say that fruits are useless. He said that Haki has a higher ceiling, which is true. WB had top tier Hakis and a top tier fruit, yet was matched by Roger who had no fruit at all. There is no DF user that, without Haki, would stand even the slightest chance against top tier Haki users like Roger and Shanks. Luffy or BB without Haki get neg diffed by Roger.
Luffy's fist was the size of a whole ass island with G4's insane compression technique.. And y'all don't think his fruit had anything to do with it?
Personally, I'd keep Kaido's Haki above Luffy's. Post-1027 Luffy was struggling with drunk Kaido's Haki and the Kaido that fought G5 was using even stronger attacks, so it's only natural to assume that he was using stronger Haki.
Haki does transcend all, Kaido losing simply means his Haki wasn't strong enough. I guarantee guys like Roger and even Shanks can do things with Conqueror's that makes simple CoC coating look basic. And obviously Luffy will be receiving these power-ups because he'll max out his DF and his Haki.
Haki might transcend all, but Luffy's Haki + DF was still enough to beat at least Kaido in a direct clash.
Personally, I'd keep Kaido's Haki above Luffy's. Post-1027 Luffy was struggling with drunk Kaido's Haki and the Kaido that fought G5 was using even stronger attacks, so it's only natural to assume that he was using stronger Haki.
Haki does transcend all, Kaido losing simply means his Haki wasn't strong enough. I guarantee guys like Roger and even Shanks can do things with Conqueror's that makes simple CoC coating look basic. And obviously Luffy will be receiving these power-ups because he'll max out his DF and his Haki.
Haki might transcend all, but Luffy's Haki + DF was still enough to beat at least Kaido in a direct clash.
The problem is, that Kaido's words are deliberately misrepresented. He said that abilities alone cannot conquer the world, and that Haki is > DF. Which is factually true. People somehow see Luffy's fist and contribute it to his DF, forgetting that he stacked his maxed out Hakis on top of it. Take DFless Luffy with his maxed out Hakis and put him vs. awakened Luffy with no access to Haki and you will have your answer about whether Kaido was right. Kaido made this statement right after Luffy's awakening in order to humble him and tell him he should not rely too much on his (newly acquired) DF power, proceeding with smashing him with his hakified club.