Powers & Abilities Kid Sanji's Willpower feat

Chrono

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Herrera95 said:
I used an example to point my view of how things are different. That is how a debate works. You clearly don't know.

I specific admitted that at Ivankov situation was willpower. But maybe this is how his DF works. Or just because it was Luffy natural defenses working. At Reiju situation it wasn't willpower and he was dying. But she completely removed by herself the poison. Luffy didn't had to fight against it like in Ivankov situation.

Sanji situation he did literally nothing. In fact he should have stayed unmoved just like Zeff to keep energy. It is impressive but not related to will power. Also Greenbull remained 3 years without food. Is that willpower? If so 2 months from Sanji is a joke.
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Your example made no sense and wasnt relevant.

Again how does the Reiju situation correlate to Sanji's. You said it yourself, Reiju saved Luffy. She removed the poison. Did anyone save Sanji ? Was he fed food in those 2 months ? What an abysmal nonsensical argument.

And ? A normal person in the OP world wouldve died. They would be unconcious dead. Unmoving. Gone. Luffy states himself he cant survive a week without food. Zoro thought 1 month without food is highly impressive. But of course your retarded choice argument comes in which makes absoutely no sense whatsoever. You do realise once Zoro got tied to that podium, he had no choice but to stavre. He cant just go to shop and get some food. He's like Sanji....completely stranded.

We have no idea how Greenbull is fasting for 3 months. You can't bring him up until we find out more information....
 
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Herrera95

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Prince Kronos said:
Your example made no sense and wasnt relevant.

Again how does the Reiju situation correlate to Sanji's. You said it yourself, Reiju saved Luffy. She removed the poison. Did anyone save Sanji ? Was he fed food in those 2 months ? What an abysmal nonsensical argument.

And ? A normal person in the OP world wouldve died. They would be unconcious dead. Unmoving. Gone. Luffy states himself he cant survive a week without food. Zoro thought 1 month without food is highly impressive. But of course your retarded choice argument comes in which makes absoutely no sense whatsoever. You do realise once Zoro got tied to that podium, he had no choice but to stavre. He cant just go to shop and get some food. He's like Sanji....completely stranded.

We have no idea how Greenbull is fasting for 3 months. You can't bring him up until we find out more information....
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Reiju situation has nothing to do with Sanji situation. That is why I'm not correlating them. I'm correlation Reiju situation with Ivankov situation. But you for whatever reason are mixing up my words and making false affirmatives about my arguments.
I can bring it up, it is very clear that Grenbull became 3 years without eating nothing. Luffy didn't said he would die if he didn't eat but he would give up from that challenge. Zoro himself stayed only 3 days without food. That doesn't mean they would have died if they didn't eat. And there is no willpower involved if you are obligated to do something.


Retarded is to put as willpower someone that never smoked in the same category as someone that is trying to stop smoking. This is basically what you are doing comparing Sanji starvation with Luffy and Zoro statements. In this case Sanji would be the one who never smoked while Luffy and Zoro would be regular smokers trying to quit.
 
Chrono

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Herrera95 said:
Reiju situation has nothing to do with Sanji situation. That is why I'm not correlating them. I'm correlation Reiju situation with Ivankov situation. But you for whatever reason are mixing up my words and making false affirmatives about my arguments.
I can bring it up, it is very clear that Grenbull became 3 years without eating nothing. Luffy didn't said he would die if he didn't eat but he would give up from that challenge. Zoro himself stayed only 3 days without food. That doesn't mean they would have died if they didn't eat. And there is no willpower involved if you are obligated to do something.


Retarded is to put as willpower someone that never smoked in the same category as someone that is trying to stop smoking. This is basically what you are doing comparing Sanji starvation with Luffy and Zoro statements. In this case Sanji would be the one who never smoked while Luffy and Zoro would be regular smokers trying to quit.
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Why are you correlating those 2 scenarios. They have nothing to do with each other. One is Reiju completely taking the poison away. The other is Iva allowing Luffy to fight back against it. If Luffy is able to survive the procedure he lives. And for that Iva claims you need to have high will-power for it. Luffy has no choice to do it. He is forced to take the excruiting pain, and have to survive. Same way Sanji has to take the pain of hunger and survive.

What the actual fuck are you talking about now. What in earth is this metaphor. Are you now claiming that Sanji has never faced starvation so it's easier for him. But Luffy and Zoro have multiple times so it's harder ? Like seriously wtf are you even talking about.
 
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Herrera95

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Prince Kronos said:
Why are you correlating those 2 scenarios. They have nothing to do with each other. One is Reiju completely taking the poison away. The other is Iva allowing Luffy to fight back against it. If Luffy is able to survive the procedure he lives. And for that Iva claims you need to have high will-power for it. Luffy has no choice to do it. He is forced to take the excruiting pain, and have to survive. Same way Sanji has to take the pain of hunger and survive.

What the actual fuck are you talking about now. What in earth is this metaphor. Are you now claiming that Sanji has never faced starvation so it's easier for him. But Luffy and Zoro have multiple times so it's harder ? Like seriously wtf are you even talking about.
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We are talking about willpower being the factor of someone surviving an extreme situation. Both those situations are extreme. Like I said, willpower in Ivankov situation must be something related to how his power works which is only boosting Luffy natural defenses. Reiju completely removed the poison so no willpower involved, but he was dying anyway.


Just understand like this, Luffy and Zoro are addicted to eating while kid Sanji isn't. So it needs no willpower for Kid Sanji to be starving but it take a lot from Zoro and specially Luffy to be starving.
 
Chrono

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Herrera95 said:
We are talking about willpower being the factor of someone surviving an extreme situation. Both those situations are extreme. Like I said, willpower in Ivankov situation must be something related to how his power works which is only boosting Luffy natural defenses. Reiju completely removed the poison so no willpower involved, but he was dying anyway.


Just understand like this, Luffy and Zoro are addicted to eating while kid Sanji isn't. So it needs no willpower for Kid Sanji to be starving but it take a lot from Zoro and specially Luffy to be starving.
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He was dying because theirs no survivng that poison. Iva gave him a chance of survivng, but to survive the torment and pain of it....needs insormountable will-power. Reiju just completely removed the poison. Why tf are you comparing these to situations.Poison would always kill Luffy. Iva gave him the ability to survive it by giving a procedure that he needs to survive on will-power. Reiju just completely removed it.

Zoro is addicted to eating ? **** what ? These excuses you're making is pathetic. Being addicted to something doest equate to you dying without it. Luffy said he'd be dead after a week.
 
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Herrera95

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Prince Kronos said:
He was dying because theirs no survivng that poison. Iva gave him a chance of survivng, but to survive the torment and pain of it....needs insormountable will-power. Reiju just completely removed the poison. Why tf are you comparing these to situations.Poison would always kill Luffy. Iva gave him the ability to survive it by giving a procedure that he needs to survive on will-power. Reiju just completely removed it.

Zoro is addicted to eating ? **** what ? These excuses you're making is pathetic. Being addicted to something doest equate to you dying without it. Luffy said he'd be dead after a week.
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I'm trying my best to make you understand but your argument is pretend you can't understand so we don't have much to talk.

Every comment I'm saying that Reiju situation didn't need willpower from Luffy because she removed poison completely but Ivankoc situation needed because that's how his power works. Luffy was dying in both situations the same way. He felt pain before Reiju save him but no mention to willpower was done.

About Sanji, you don't use willpower if you don't have a choice. And people are dieting they had choice to eat a piece of cake or an apple. That was the case for Zoro and Luffy but not for Sanji. So no willpower. I'm done.
 
lazark

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
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If your ideology turns you into a simp or an inflexible slave, by definition you have a weak will. Real conquerors know when to put aside their ideals for the greater good instead of being ruled by them, such as when Luffy bowed to Hancock (who he said made him sick) to free the girls and Zoro bowed to Mihawk so he could get stronger for the crew.
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False. Sanji's simp nature has not once put the crew in danger. his slave acts also apply to 2 specific women on his crew, and all the time its played off as a gag. "real conquerors" this pure nonsense. Doffy's ideal was to nuke the whole world, no greater good there. Blackbeards ideal caused him to betray his entire family, but he'll have coq. Ace's ideals indirectly caused his death at marineford which in turn made the WB pirates sacrifices meaningless. Sanji also had to endure hell, with no women for the sake of the crew for 2 years. Keep hating though, makes it easy to body you people.
 
Nidai_Kitetsu

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lazark said:
False. Sanji's simp nature has not once put the crew in danger. his slave acts also apply to 2 specific women on his crew, and all the time its played off as a gag. "real conquerors" this pure nonsense. Doffy's ideal was to nuke the whole world, no greater good there. Blackbeards ideal caused him to betray his entire family, but he'll have coq. Ace's ideals indirectly caused his death at marineford which in turn made the WB pirates sacrifices meaningless. Sanji also had to endure hell, with no women for the sake of the crew for 2 years. Keep hating though, makes it easy to body you people.
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This one is no gag though =>



He literally suggests to take the easy route, which is to give up, what a conqueror we got here
 
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