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#83
you need more than just strong crew mates to become a emperor.

fodder wouldn't give luffy and Zoro so much trouble if that was the case lol.

boa, doflamingo,Kuma, moria and Jinbe a emperor crew?
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Fodder compare to who exactly?
Yeah, three warlords are so powerful and influential they became an emperor crew.

Umm, what… Zoro was highlighting the power of gifters in onigashima. Odas inconsistent that’s all it is.

Fodder compared to actual commanders and emperors
 
#85
Yeah, three warlords are so powerful and influential they became an emperor crew.
so it's not just their individual overall strength.

Umm, what… Zoro was highlighting the power of gifters in onigashima. Odas inconsistent that’s all it is.
or it's just Hawkins is much stronger than you original thought even though he was a simple headliner in your eyes.

Fodder compared to actual commanders and emperors
emperors I agree but commanders nah it was proven not to be the case at all.
 
#86
so it's not just their individual overall strength.

or it's just Hawkins is much stronger than you original thought even though he was a simple headliner in your eyes.

emperors I agree but commanders nah it was proven not to be the case at all.
No Hawkins is exactly where he belongs, a headliner who is not that strong and would lose to any Tobi Roppo.

Dude look at how Bege feared katakuri
Look at how Apoo and Drake feared queen
Hell even Hawkins feared jack

The majority of the supernova are literally fodder.
 
#89
No Hawkins is exactly where he belongs, a headliner who is not that strong and would lose to any Tobi Roppo.
not strong enough yet Zoro Zoro still got hurt in the process lol?

Dude look at how Bege feared katakuri
Look at how Apoo and Drake feared queen
Hell even Hawkins feared jack
Urouge vs snacks didn't ring a bell to you? Kid torturing one of the sweet generals for one of the sweet generals is also one.
No Hawkins is exactly where he belongs, a headliner who is not that strong and would lose to any Tobi Roppo.

Dude look at how Bege feared katakuri
Look at how Apoo and Drake feared queen
Hell even Hawkins feared jack

The majority of the supernova are literally fodder.
yet they are giving luffy,kid,law, Zoro, and killer a hard time unlike the top shinuchi.
 
#90
not strong enough yet Zoro Zoro still got hurt in the process lol?


Urouge vs snacks didn't ring a bell to you? Kid torturing one of the sweet generals for one of the sweet generals is also one.
yet they are giving luffy,kid,law, Zoro, and killer a hard time unlike the top shinuchi.
Yeah because he was trying to protect Tama. It’s like Luffy getting beat by Monet, plot.

Dude Kid is literally different than Hawkins lmao kid and law are actually important to the plot.

So let me ask If Luffy or kid did change sides, you think Kaido would make them headliners? Lmao
 
#92
Yeah because he was trying to protect Tama. It’s like Luffy getting beat by Monet, plot.
Luffy was protecting tama Zoro has no excuses in that matter.

Dude Kid is literally different than Hawkins lmao kid and law are actually important to the plot.
Doesn't matter because my point is they are still supernova at the end of the day regardless if one is more important than the other.
So let me ask If Luffy or kid did change sides, you think Kaido would make them headliners? Lmao
yes they would because you still need merit to climb up the ranks or at least takeout the person above you in rank. Ace didn't automatically become a division commander after facing off against Jinbe now did he?
 
#93
Luffy was protecting tama Zoro has no excuses in that matter.


Doesn't matter because my point is they are still supernova at the end of the day regardless if one is more important than the other.
yes they would because you still need merit to climb up the ranks or at least takeout the person above you in rank. Ace didn't automatically become a division commander after facing off against Jinbe now did he?
Why are you still trying to use false comparisons???

Whitebeards crew is not kaidos

Kaidos crew is literally built on strength as their organization. The Tobi Roppo are literally known as the “SIX STRONGEST HEADLINERS”
 
#94
Why are you still trying to use false comparisons???
I'm not.
Whitebeards crew is not kaidos
doesn't matter you don't just become a top shinuchi without any merit proving one's strength. That doesn't just come from kaido's crew but all of the yonko's crew in general.

Kaidos crew is literally built on strength as their organization. The Tobi Roppo are literally known as the “SIX STRONGEST HEADLINERS”
we're just going back and forth without a conclusion. Advice from me is to reread the story because right now you're too focus on the powerscale perspective instead of looking at it in the narrative perspective.
 
#95
I'm not.
doesn't matter you don't just become a top shinuchi without any merit proving one's strength. That doesn't just come from kaido's crew but all of the yonko's crew in general.

we're just going back and forth without a conclusion. Advice from me is to reread the story because right now you're too focus on the powerscale perspective instead of looking at it in the narrative perspective.
My advice is to take the story at face value. Oda is very obvious with power rankings when he wants to be. And does it specifically for the characters who strength oda cares about, the straw hats.

You’re so focused on the wrong characters. You’re trying to make the supernova some sort of important characters when that’s not what they are.
 
#96
My advice is to take the story at face value. Oda is very obvious with power rankings when he wants to be. And does it specifically for the characters who strength oda cares about, the straw hats.

You’re so focused on the wrong characters. You’re trying to make the supernova some sort of important characters when that’s not what they are.
The Tobi Roppo had to earn the right to challenge a Lead Performer for their spot. It's likely the same with the Headliners who want to be a Tobi Roppo.
 
#98
The Tobi Roppo had to earn the right to challenge a Lead Performer for their spot. It's likely the same with the Headliners who want to be a Tobi Roppo.
But for new members it makes no sense for Kaido to say, you can be a headliner but won’t let you prove yourself to be more, or if oda ever alluded to hawkins Being that level and just not been promoted like he did for Garp.

But he didn’t. He introduced Hawkins as a headliner. Then introduced the Tobi Roppo as the six strongest headliners. And if Hawkins never fought killer no one would even think Hawkins is on their level.
 
#99
My advice is to take the story at face value.
doing that only shows how inconsistent you are when it comes to power scaling Hawkins.

Oda is very obvious with power rankings when he wants to be.
no it's not obvious y'all just make it simply predictable because you guys don't actually read the story.

And if Hawkins never fought killer no one would even think Hawkins is on their level.
bruh he literally faced luffy and Zoro at the same time,law, and killer no other shinuchi have this level portrayal. Hawkins was already well known from starting waves in the new world.
 
doing that only shows how inconsistent you are when it comes to power scaling Hawkins.

no it's not obvious y'all just make it simply predictable because you guys don't actually read the story.

bruh he literally faced luffy and Zoro at the same time,law, and killer no other shinuchi have this level portrayal. Hawkins was already well known from starting waves in the new world.
Oda:
Hawkins is a headliner
Oda:
The Tobi Roppo are the six strongest headliners

I don’t know why you’re ignoring these simple facts. Is it just because you don’t like it?
 
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