Character Discussion King is a Katakuri rip-off.

I never had the feeling that King was a rip-off of Katakuri. Their designs may be similar but still are entirely different.

Katakuri was the main antagonist of WCI, a blockade standing in the way of the Strawhats escape, the sole pillar who could take over as his mother was out of control. He was hiding his mouth because of his insecurities, he wanted to be relied on, to be perfect on the outside, for his family. He wanted to make sure his family is safe but Luffy changed his mind. It was not really a loss in terms of battle strength, he let Luffy go because he started to like and agree with him, because he saw potential in Luffys spirits. He was the first one to actually see Luffys strength, as an enemy.

King on the other hand, even while similar design, is of complete opposite character. He maybe cares for the crew itself as army and also for Kaido, but he's on bad terms with most and cares about none specifically. He likes cruelty. His mask, his entire suit prevents him from being recognized for who he is underneath. From what we know, he is from a specific race that's seems to be almost extinct. His wings may give it away but He is hiding a piece of world history behind his mask and that is his key factor, unlike Katakuri overcoming his own insecurities. He is a typical antagonist of the arc but there's still much to be unraveled of him, not for his own progress, but for what we know about the world.

He's someone who Zoro must face, going into the extremes because that's what he didn't have so far since Post TS. That might be similar to Luffy and Katakuri for you, but most fights of OP have been for the characters to overcome themselves and get stronger, thus being an act of training all along.

Some other points you brought up are not really resemblances. The bounty is of course above 1 billion because we are that far into the story already and they are both 1st yonko commanders so obviously they will be similar in bounty. Their clothes have slight resemblance but all I gotta say is that King fits into the fashion theme of the Beasts Pirates, he's only going pretty overboard.

Eye color and saying same thing isn't really much to argue about because it's non-sense from your side. Eye colors repeat, and so do lines, especially from the villain side looking down on other people.
 
Stop it with this garbage. He lost.



Just because he can move it doesn't mean he can fight.
Katakuri didnt lose, he chose to back off for the time being due to lack of time his buddy luffy had to get away from the island with his crews. He acknowledged luffy to be strong and hoped that someday he would return to defeat big mom, that is the only reason he chose to lose intensionally. Even luffy is aware of it that is why he put the hat to cover his mouth to hide it with respect.
 
makes more sense for king to be wary of letting others see him being literally the last person of his race. he is /will be viewed as an oddity. I dont think this was necessarily to replay katakuri's insecurity about his mouth.


design wise is where their similarity ends
you can point out similar design similarities with shiryu
unless I see him pulling fs out of his ass
No he is not a katakuri rip off.
 

stairs-kun

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1- both of them are around the same age:
King: 47 years old
Katakuri: 48 years old

2- both of them are YC1 of their respective Yonko crew, and the right hand men of their captains

3- both of them wear the same manner of dark black edgy spiked leather clothes:


4- both of them say the same line in the anime:

5- both of them have bounties over 1 billion:
Katakuri: 1,057,000,000
King: 1,390,000,000

6- both them hide/cover their faces and get angry when someone sees it:



7- both of them have the same crimson red eye color:



8- both of them have tattoos on their bodies:



9- both of them have a calm, collected and stoic personality, preferring to talk less.

10- finally, both of them end up fighting the 2 strongest in the Straw Hats crew who have Conquerors Haki (Luffy & Zoro respectively) in 1v1.

Why is Oda repeating Katakuri's character for a second time in Wano?
Don't ever compare top-tier King to pushover like Katakuri.
 

Finalbeta

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Is this centurion guy TAC trolling about his beloved King? He known for possessing countless alts. @Sentinel 🤔

But not sure he would push himself that far on the other hand, not considering his power and role in the story so blatantly ignoring such. Perhaps it's the other way around.
 
Oda has to feed the Zoro fanboys. It's obvious that Zoro is leauges below Luffy but so that people keep making the comparison he'll basically have Zoro beat Katakuri without Katakuri taking another L. Also he'll make King look lightyears above Queen even though they are rivals and have almost identical bounties.
 
And that's 100 percent faulty logic. You're using King keeping up with Marco, and Marco intercepting Kizaru as a means to scale both of them above Luffy and Katakuri.

Is King keeping up with the Phoenix form version of Marco that intercepted Kizaru? Has Marco been moving at that level of speed during his fight against King, Queen, and a ton of fodders?

All you're doing is assuming Marco is just always that fast, or that there is instances of Marco being that fast that aren't shown, and King is matching it, so therefore King scales to that fast.

And that's a direct contradiction to you admitting that you know there is different levels of speed feats, but yet you are are still arguing that King is fast because he scales to Marco keeping up with Kizaru, yet you admit Marco isn't always moving that fast.

So again I ask. Provide proof that King is matching the level of speed Marco used when he was in Phoenix form, and intercepted Kizaru, which proves he himself scales to that speed. Cause all I am getting from you is that you understand characters aren't always moving that fast, but somehow you think King is scaling to that level despite everything being off-paneled, and nothing suggests it.
You realize King never went hybrid vs Marco and his hybrid is being shown to be crazy fast that he doing hat Superman did to Zod in man of steel or dbz fights. Send some one flying catch up to them and hit them again.
 
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If honestly call Luffy vs Katakuri a tie from combat perspective but Luffy won the battle emotionally and morally. It was a symbolically victory which proved Luffys ideals were greater than Katakuris and that's what I don't consider you beneath my level meant.

But I don't think Luffy surpasses Katakuri until chapter 1000. Chapter 1000 vs Katakuri is debatable but chapter 1010 Luffy certainly beats Katakuri.
Katakuri is a moral mess of a character, deep down he knows he's wrong in his way of life.
His personality contrasts his 'strong' appearance in more than one way, he's mentally weak essentially.
 
1- both of them are around the same age and are very tall:
King: 47 years old - 613cm
Katakuri: 48 years old - 509cm

2- both of them are YC1 of their respective Yonko crew, and the right hand men of their captains

3- both of them wear the same manner of dark black edgy spiked leather clothes:


4- both of them say the same line in the anime:

5- both of them have bounties over 1 billion:
Katakuri: 1,057,000,000
King: 1,390,000,000

6- both them hide/cover their faces and get angry when someone sees it:



7- both of them have the same crimson red eye color:



8- both of them have tattoos on their bodies:



9- both of them have a calm, collected and stoic personality, preferring to talk less.

10- finally, both of them end up fighting the 2 strongest in the Straw Hats crew who have Conquerors Haki (Luffy & Zoro respectively) in 1v1.

Why is Oda repeating Katakuri's character for a second time in Wano?
11- both of them attacked their subordinates for seeing their real face


 
11- both of them attacked their subordinates for seeing their real face


12-both of them have mysterious ability their enemy need to understand before they can be defeated
12.5-the enemy figure out their ability but it does not really matter in the end

bonus 13-both of them are the final fight of a sh when the delusional fans thought that sh was ready to take down a yonkou
 
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