Character Discussion King is a Katakuri rip-off.
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Stop it with this garbage. He lost.
Just because he can move it doesn't mean he can fight.
Just because he can move it doesn't mean he can fight.
But I don't think Luffy surpasses Katakuri until chapter 1000. Chapter 1000 vs Katakuri is debatable but chapter 1010 Luffy certainly beats Katakuri.
And that's 100 percent faulty logic. You're using King keeping up with Marco, and Marco intercepting Kizaru as a means to scale both of them above Luffy and Katakuri.
Is King keeping up with the Phoenix form version of Marco that intercepted Kizaru? Has Marco been moving at that level of speed during his fight against King, Queen, and a ton of fodders?
All you're doing is assuming Marco is just always that fast, or that there is instances of Marco being that fast that aren't shown, and King is matching it, so therefore King scales to that fast.
And that's a direct contradiction to you admitting that you know there is different levels of speed feats, but yet you are are still arguing that King is fast because he scales to Marco keeping up with Kizaru, yet you admit Marco isn't always moving that fast.
So again I ask. Provide proof that King is matching the level of speed Marco used when he was in Phoenix form, and intercepted Kizaru, which proves he himself scales to that speed. Cause all I am getting from you is that you understand characters aren't always moving that fast, but somehow you think King is scaling to that level despite everything being off-paneled, and nothing suggests it.
I don't know if a rip off, but I find it troublesome that three out of five top subordinates of emperors are wearing similar attires of dark leather, skulls and spikes, to the point both King and Shiryu are wearing absurdly comparable uniforms —especially if Zoro ends up fighting the latter too. Doesn't seem like Oda felt inspired enough, nor that he has creativity to depict the badassness I assume he wants for these characters without resorting to the edgiest, easiest tricks.
At the end of the day, both Katakuri and King follow different foundations (one would be meant to clash with his family themes both to reinforce the facade personality and his bet on Luffy, while the other is obviously designed to convey torture themes), but I think King should have been executed differently because between his copycat of Shiryu's uniform and his "hiding face" issue he's bound to fall in the middle of his two fellow commanders.
At the end of the day, both Katakuri and King follow different foundations (one would be meant to clash with his family themes both to reinforce the facade personality and his bet on Luffy, while the other is obviously designed to convey torture themes), but I think King should have been executed differently because between his copycat of Shiryu's uniform and his "hiding face" issue he's bound to fall in the middle of his two fellow commanders.
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1- both of them are around the same age:
King: 47 years old
Katakuri: 48 years old
2- both of them are YC1 of their respective Yonko crew, and the right hand men of their captains
3- both of them wear the same manner of dark black edgy spiked leather clothes:
4- both of them say the same line in the anime:
5- both of them have bounties over 1 billion:
Katakuri: 1,057,000,000
King: 1,390,000,000
6- both them hide/cover their faces and get angry when someone sees it:
7- both of them have the same crimson red eye color:
8- both of them have tattoos on their bodies:
9- both of them have a calm, collected and stoic personality, preferring to talk less.
10- finally, both of them end up fighting the 2 strongest in the Straw Hats crew who have Conquerors Haki (Luffy & Zoro respectively) in 1v1.
Why is Oda repeating Katakuri's character for a second time in Wano?
King: 47 years old
Katakuri: 48 years old
2- both of them are YC1 of their respective Yonko crew, and the right hand men of their captains
3- both of them wear the same manner of dark black edgy spiked leather clothes:
4- both of them say the same line in the anime:
5- both of them have bounties over 1 billion:
Katakuri: 1,057,000,000
King: 1,390,000,000
6- both them hide/cover their faces and get angry when someone sees it:
7- both of them have the same crimson red eye color:
8- both of them have tattoos on their bodies:
9- both of them have a calm, collected and stoic personality, preferring to talk less.
10- finally, both of them end up fighting the 2 strongest in the Straw Hats crew who have Conquerors Haki (Luffy & Zoro respectively) in 1v1.
Why is Oda repeating Katakuri's character for a second time in Wano?
Because it absolutely makes sense for Marco to move as fast as he could when he's taking on Commanders who aren't that weaker than him?
You seem to misunderstand one thing.
Marco "keeping up with Kizaru" does not necessarily talk about the Yasakani no Magatama scene alone. It means that his speeds are generally at the same range as a casual Kizaru, even though the fight was offpaneled. Else Marco would be overwhelmed which isn't the case.
Similarily King "keeping up with Marco" does not necessarily mean King should be matching Marco's top speed all the time. It means that his speeds are generally at the same range as Marco (who used everything that he's got to stall him btw). Even though the fight was offpaneled, this is a conclusion that you absolutely can draw, based on the fact that Marco seems to be beaten by King and both have the same speed based fighting style.
King is also fast enough to speed blitz the entire BMP off of the cliff and both Big Mom and her crew (Smoothie, Daifuku and Perospero, all of whom have long range abilities, were there btw in addition to Big Mom) couldn't react/intercept him.
We also directly have a speedfeat in this chapter where he could drag Zoro from the live floor to the edge of Onigashima within seconds.
King is absolutely fast lol.
What you are effectively saying is that, "A speedster who beats another speedster should not be scaled to same general speeds, because the fight was offpaneled." Katakuri and Snakeman are slower, until shown otherwise.
You seem to misunderstand one thing.
Marco "keeping up with Kizaru" does not necessarily talk about the Yasakani no Magatama scene alone. It means that his speeds are generally at the same range as a casual Kizaru, even though the fight was offpaneled. Else Marco would be overwhelmed which isn't the case.
Similarily King "keeping up with Marco" does not necessarily mean King should be matching Marco's top speed all the time. It means that his speeds are generally at the same range as Marco (who used everything that he's got to stall him btw). Even though the fight was offpaneled, this is a conclusion that you absolutely can draw, based on the fact that Marco seems to be beaten by King and both have the same speed based fighting style.
King is also fast enough to speed blitz the entire BMP off of the cliff and both Big Mom and her crew (Smoothie, Daifuku and Perospero, all of whom have long range abilities, were there btw in addition to Big Mom) couldn't react/intercept him.
We also directly have a speedfeat in this chapter where he could drag Zoro from the live floor to the edge of Onigashima within seconds.
King is absolutely fast lol.
What you are effectively saying is that, "A speedster who beats another speedster should not be scaled to same general speeds, because the fight was offpaneled." Katakuri and Snakeman are slower, until shown otherwise.
Yea seems a rip off for me.
Katakuri is very versatile fighter who can use 3 colors of haki with awakening and future sight,also a weapon user with balance between power and speed.his personality is interesting as well.so he is a great character.
meanwhile king only shows brute force with very unefficient way of fight. If king cannot pulling some adv haki stuff or some kind unique power of his own, he will be legit a katakuri rip off with less talent and potential as character.
Katakuri is very versatile fighter who can use 3 colors of haki with awakening and future sight,also a weapon user with balance between power and speed.his personality is interesting as well.so he is a great character.
meanwhile king only shows brute force with very unefficient way of fight. If king cannot pulling some adv haki stuff or some kind unique power of his own, he will be legit a katakuri rip off with less talent and potential as character.
Kitkat favors a pretty popular and refined way of fighting. Has a really good niche that was hyped up by the man Rayleigh himself too. Good design, very different and in contrast to his family. Backstory is weak though.
King is just… a background? But thats slowly changing although that doesn’t really mean much given he already let Zoro get to the rooftop easily and is only starting to go all out. He hasnt stood out in a significant way like Marco and Kitkat did in their introduction. King was just trash talked by Queen lmao
I guess fighting King is just so much more underwhelming after fighting Kaido?
King is just… a background? But thats slowly changing although that doesn’t really mean much given he already let Zoro get to the rooftop easily and is only starting to go all out. He hasnt stood out in a significant way like Marco and Kitkat did in their introduction. King was just trash talked by Queen lmao
I guess fighting King is just so much more underwhelming after fighting Kaido?
Wait what happened to your kata wanking? I could have sworn that you would defend him in any way possible. 
Every 8/10 of his comments are Doffy wank in disguise and other 2 comments are just Doffy wanks
Before the chapter he used to Zoro would mid diff King now he is saying Zoro is far weaker
