Powers & Abilities King & Queen : 2 Aspect of Combat

[BangOO🍅]

Just going to share my thoughts about this never ending discussion.

Now im going to write this down in few points.

1. About the title, what does that mean?
People keep arguing about King & Queen and i'll jump right into the conclusion, yes King is stronger than Queen.

But, the major issues in here is few or maybe many people assuming the power gap between King & Queen is so big. In fact maybe its just like Kaku and Jabra doriki all over again.

Now, there is 2 major aspect in combat/fight.
There is an offensive aspect and defensive aspect.

2. King's Feats
King's feat so far is
- Kicking Big Mom Ship. (Offensive)
- Goes to war with Kaido, Queen, and the Beast Pirates 20 years ago. (Offensive and Defensive)
- Attacking Sanji and goes full Zoan form when Sanji trying to save Momo. (Offensive)
- About his fight against Marco, we dont know anything except he get up from Marco's Blue Bird in chapter 1006. (Defensive)

Now, we can make a conclusion if Oda showed King's feats is about his Offensive aspect more than Durability aspect.

3. Queen's Feats
Different from King, Oda already showed so many Quee 's feats so far.

- Doing a Brachio Bomber to Hakiless Big Mom in Udon Prison earlier (Offensive)
- Goes to war with Kaido and King 20 years ago against Oden and The Red Scabbards (Offensive and Defensive)
- Ice Oni and Plague Bullets (Offensive)
- Cyborg thingy inside his body (Offensive and could be Defensive too)
- Black Cofee / Laser Beam attack (Offensive)
- Got hit by Marco's Phoenix Claw in human form and looks clean one chapter later. (Defensive)
- Got hit by Marco's Phoenix Brand too before Phoenix Claw. (Defensive)
- Got Slapped by Chopper in Zoan Form (Defensive)
- Got hit by Sanji's Diable Jambe Rotisserie + Perospero Candy Arrow in Zoan Form (Defensive)

After we breaking down King and Queen feats until last chapter, now we can see if Queen feats so far shitting on King.

But because of the hierarchy system, you have an argument about King is stronger than Queen.

Now to sum it up, if we put in a number/stats, this will be the number.

King The Wildfire
Attack : ⭐⭐⭐⭐
Defense : ⭐⭐⭐

Queen The Plague
Attack : ⭐⭐
Defense : ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

 

[Finalbeta]

Hmm I would love to wait for more from both but at the end I would probably end up leaving King with one additional star complexively. I would probably suggests 4 and 4 for King and 3 and 4 for Queen.

 

[hedera__helix]

The gap between Kaku and Jabra was big.

Kaku without swords and a DF had a higher Doriki than Jabra.

And how does Queen have better defense when Chopper made him bleed and King took Marco’s attacks way better than Queen did? Being fat != better defense.

 

[WesMidnight]

I'd give queen 3/4 for atk/def, 5s should be reserved for top tiers.
Kaido is 5/5, Luffy is 4.5/4.5
Boundman is 5+/5+

Barrier ryuo integrated tankman is off the scale in def.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I’d give another attack star to queen. Even without haki Big Mom still had her indestructible skin but queen was still able to hurt her.

To me it’s:
King:
Attack : 4
Defense: 3
Speed: 4

Queen:
Attack : 4
Defense : 5
Speed : 2

 

[Olimaat]

I like this star rating. I might do some for other YC just for myself for fun

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

King
Lethality: 4
Speed: 5
Strength: 4
Defense: 4
Durability: 4
Endurance: 5
Some other additional fighting styles like fire.

Queen
Lethality: 4 (it might change depending on which poison he will pull).
Speed: 3
Strength: 4
Defense: 4
Durability: 5
Endurance: 5
He got different variety of arsenals like machines and swords.

 

[Finalbeta]

King
Lethality: 4
Speed: 5
Strength: 4
Defense: 4
Durability: 4
Endurance: 5
Some other additional fighting styles like fire.

Queen
Lethality: 4 (it might change depending on which poison he will pull).
Speed: 3
Strength: 4
Defense: 4
Durability: 5
Endurance: 5
He got different variety of arsenals like machines and swords.

King might be revealed as more enduring than Queen but it's too soon to discern I guess.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

King in base has better durability feats than Zoan Queen and he’s still a swordsman for offensive bonuses. King shits on Queen

 

[randomdude121]

I'd say it's similar to jabra and kaku: the real jabra and kaku not the zoro fanboy conspiracy that kaku is 1million times stronger holding swords despite the fact his most powerful attack was done without them and his swords in his hands have 0 good feats

Also I'd put queen attack stat higher he has plague bullets and ice demon posion.

 

[Shepherd]

King might be revealed as more enduring than Queen but it's too soon to discern I guess.

We can already discern based on feats and character design that Queen is obviously the tankier/more enduring of the two.

 

[Finalbeta]

We can already discern based on feats and character design that Queen is obviously the tankier/more enduring of the two.

There's no compelling reason to believe so. Appearances can be misleading. As a matter of fact AP wise I didn't expect Queen to be so effective at first glance, she put Big Mom to sleep probably contributing at least. King did nothing like that so far. It's to be seen, Oda ain't a linear thinker, expecially when it comes to such dynamics.

 

[Shepherd]

There's no compelling reason to believe so. Appearances can be misleading. As a matter of fact AP wise I didn't expect Queen to be so effective at first glance, she put Big Mom to sleep probably contributing at least. King did nothing like that so far. It's to be seen, Oda ain't a linear thinker, expecially when it comes to such dynamics.

Appearance wise, Queen in his DF is much larger but no wings and 4-legged, King is his DF is much smaller but winged and 2-legged, thus we can conclude Queen is physically stronger/tankier but more stationary, whereas King is faster and more mobile and.

Feats wise, Queen is physically stronger (K.O.'d Meme) and tankier (tanked attacks from bloodlusted Meme, Marco, Chopper, Sanji, Perospero arrows), whereas King is faster and more mobile (can fly, fast enough to cross Wano to intercept Meme ship, attacked Marco mid-air directly).

As far as appearances go Oda has stayed consistent with Queen being stronger/tankier, King being faster/more mobile.

 

[Herrera95]

Queen has better defense because he is getting more beat?

 

[MonsterZoro]

why queen attack so low? He has deadly virus weapon that even neg diff luffy if it wasn't for chopper. and these weapons he gave to fodders imagine the kind of deadly virus he keep for himself and in his body

 

[Finalbeta]

why queen attack so low? He has deadly virus weapon that even neg diff luffy if it wasn't for chopper. and these weapons he gave to fodders imagine the kind of deadly virus he keep for himself and in his body

Queen did more than ok against Big Mom either.

 

[Pan D. A. Man]

The gap between Kaku and Jabra was big.

Kaku without swords and a DF had a higher Doriki than Jabra.

And how does Queen have better defense when Chopper made him bleed and King took Marco’s attacks way better than Queen did? Being fat != better defense.

Same Chopper who was stating chapter the next he can't harm Queen? By your logic if we taking gags as feats, Nami beating up Zoro for living make her stronger than him. Queen is more offensive and defensive on feats from what we seen. Though in reality they are equals as they are shown to be on same level given even Macro commented having issues facing them both, not one over the other.

Also Jabra without his DF was close to Kaku's level. What you talking about? They were only 20 points distance, that isn't noteworthy especially Jabra is stated to be more experience than Kaku in his DF which make him stronger in that state over Kaku. Your trolling of insecurity is not helping your case, bruh.

Post automatically merged: Jun 14, 2021

Just going to share my thoughts about this never ending discussion.

Now im going to write this down in few points.

1. About the title, what does that mean?
People keep arguing about King & Queen and i'll jump right into the conclusion, yes King is stronger than Queen.

But, the major issues in here is few or maybe many people assuming the power gap between King & Queen is so big. In fact maybe its just like Kaku and Jabra doriki all over again.

Now, there is 2 major aspect in combat/fight.
There is an offensive aspect and defensive aspect.

2. King's Feats
King's feat so far is
- Kicking Big Mom Ship. (Offensive)
- Goes to war with Kaido, Queen, and the Beast Pirates 20 years ago. (Offensive and Defensive)
- Attacking Sanji and goes full Zoan form when Sanji trying to save Momo. (Offensive)
- About his fight against Marco, we dont know anything except he get up from Marco's Blue Bird in chapter 1006. (Defensive)

Now, we can make a conclusion if Oda showed King's feats is about his Offensive aspect more than Durability aspect.

3. Queen's Feats
Different from King, Oda already showed so many Quee 's feats so far.

- Doing a Brachio Bomber to Hakiless Big Mom in Udon Prison earlier (Offensive)
- Goes to war with Kaido and King 20 years ago against Oden and The Red Scabbards (Offensive and Defensive)
- Ice Oni and Plague Bullets (Offensive)
- Cyborg thingy inside his body (Offensive and could be Defensive too)
- Black Cofee / Laser Beam attack (Offensive)
- Got hit by Marco's Phoenix Claw in human form and looks clean one chapter later. (Defensive)
- Got hit by Marco's Phoenix Brand too before Phoenix Claw. (Defensive)
- Got Slapped by Chopper in Zoan Form (Defensive)
- Got hit by Sanji's Diable Jambe Rotisserie + Perospero Candy Arrow in Zoan Form (Defensive)

After we breaking down King and Queen feats until last chapter, now we can see if Queen feats so far shitting on King.

But because of the hierarchy system, you have an argument about King is stronger than Queen.

Now to sum it up, if we put in a number/stats, this will be the number.

King The Wildfire
Attack : ⭐⭐⭐⭐
Defense : ⭐⭐⭐

Queen The Plague
Attack : ⭐⭐
Defense : ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Interesting research, but I would put Queen's attack as high or a bit higher than King since he still the one who hurt Big Mom enough to get her memories back and she is stated to be an 'iron balloon' on her durability even without Haki (Well she could still use invisible Haki though).

 

[Zowo]

base king>>>hybrid queen

 

[Pan D. A. Man]

base king>>>hybrid queen

Nah, reality is Base Queen > Full Power King. He survive Big Mom and damage her still without going Hybrid, Haki (Unless Invisible), and Awakening, so imagine Queen actually going full power on his side.

 

[Zowo]

Nah, reality is Base Queen > Full Power King. He survive Big Mom and damage her still without going Hybrid, Haki (Unless Invisible), and Awakening, so imagine Queen actually going full power on his side.

one fire enchanted sword slash from base king would cut hybrid queen neck like butter