Chapter Discussion Kizaru basically co-signed Bonney's and Kuma's death just now.

[Garp the Fist]

He only KO’d Sentomaru.

Also, when he kicked Bonney there’s a light tap sound effect when he yeets her.

Both are clear evidence of him not killing

He kicked her off an island into a fucking death laser field without any hesitation lmao, clearly the actions of a man struggling with his emotions. Of all the options open to him he picked extreme violence.

 

[JoNdule]

He only KO’d Sentomaru.

Also, when he kicked Bonney there’s a light tap sound effect when he yeets her.

Both are clear evidence of him not killing

Kizaru follows orders
He's conflicted but still does his job

He's not withholding any power. He's been trying to end them all

"There's a light tap so he didnt wanna kill her" that sent her to the dangerous barrier which could have killed her...make it make sense

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

He kicked her off an island into a fucking death laser field without any hesitation lmao, clearly the actions of a man struggling with his emotions. Of all the options open to him he picked extreme violence.

It’s obvious that Kizaru won’t kill unnecessarily, he literally tells the Pacifista through the transponder snail that Sentomaru is just unconscious.

Also Bonney downplay, that laser field isn’t shit

Kizaru follows orders
He's conflicted but still does his job

He's not withholding any power. He's been trying to end them all

"There's a light tap so he didnt wanna kill her" that sent her to the dangerous barrier which could have killed her...make it make sense

You realize that he is not under orders to kill Bonney and Sentomaru.

 

[Mr.9000]

Kizaru is still about his business whether he’s conflicted or not. He’s personally not trying to kill them, but his boss is watching.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Yall are getting hood wink. Lol Kizaru will or already did something blatant to help. It will be revealed at end of the arc

 

[Garp the Fist]

It’s obvious that Kizaru won’t kill unnecessarily, he literally tells the Pacifista through the transponder snail that Sentomaru is just unconscious.

He didn’t even need to fight Sentomaru, as Saturn reminded him.

Again, Kizaru not killing anyone when next to no one dies in One Piece outside of flashbacks means nothing. Kaido didn’t kill a single person outside of flashbacks, and he’s a vicious war loving monster. Big Mom was meant to have “killed” Moscato and he turned up alive and well at the end of the arc. Lucci’s an assassin that never killed anyone, Caeser a total psychopath, Enel couldn‘t even kill Pagaya, etc, etc.

Also Bonney downplay, that laser field isn’t shit

Bonney is nothing to Kizaru. Literal fodder to him.

There was an absolute world of options open to him other than kicking her into that barrier which put her life in danger.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I can still see Kizaru betraying Saturn, there's a lot of arc left.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Or more accurately, plot contrivance.

Much like Kizaru not aiming for the head at any point in his life, despite the fact it would kill 99% of the verse if a laser burned through their skull.

Or in the entire history of One Piece, how we’ve seen exactly one character, Lucci, actually go for someone’s throat to try and kill them.

But he only tries it once on Luffy, who can conveniently survive, and no one else in the series has ever tried it.

‘Why doesn‘t villain X do this easy thing to kill someone’ is nothing unique to Kizaru, is a terrible argument for One Piece in general, and it certainly doesn’t change the fact that Kizaru has blatantly tried to kill every one of the Egghead group that he cares for.

Note: A lot of Cipher Pol agents aim for vital points like throats and what not, but that doesn't really disprove your general point, I'm just saying.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Note: A lot of Cipher Pol agents aim for vital points like throats and what not, but that doesn't really disprove your general point, I'm just saying.

Honestly, the only time I can ever remember it happening is Lucci on Luffy back in W7.

Or maybe that’s the only time the attacks landed, which is why I remember it, and every other time Oda comes up with an excuse to stop the attack going through so no one dies, but it‘s the same outcome anyway.

Oh, there’s also Brook on FI, again, because he can survive having his head chopped off.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Honestly, the only time I can ever remember it happening is Lucci on Luffy back in W7.

Or maybe that’s the only time the attacks landed, which is why I remember it, and every other time Oda comes up with an excuse to stop the attack going through so no one dies, but it‘s the same outcome anyway.

Oh, there’s also Brook on FI, again, because he can survive having his head chopped off.

Guernica and the other dude, think his name is Maha, did it to Drake and a Number.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Kizaru has never been portrayed as a good person or anything close, not surprising to me.

 

[Herrera95]

Yall can't read if saying Kizaru is in conflict. He has no conflict at all inside him.

He has his believes and opinions but he is a good soldier before all.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

He didn’t even need to fight Sentomaru, as Saturn reminded him.

So then why did he?

Again you can’t have it both ways.

You can’t claim that Kizaru will just follow orders to the best of his ability always and then claim next that he didn’t need to attack Sentomaru.

 

[Garp the Fist]

So then why did he?

Again you can’t have it both ways.

You can’t claim that Kizaru will just follow orders to the best of his ability always and then claim next that he didn’t need to attack Sentomaru.

Saturn doesn’t order Kizaru “don’t attack Sentomaru.“

What actually happens is

Saturn: can you get in the dome through the light barrier
Kizaru: I can, but Sentomaru is below
Saturn: jump over him then
Kizaru: would rather not, I respect what he’s doing. Plus, Sentomaru’s in charge of the Pacifista and sea beasts
Saturn: hmmph

The two of them are planning the best way to attack the island and Kizaru actively points out that he should take out Sentomaru.

It shows exactly what I said, Kizaru is loyal to the Celestial Dragons, is following their orders and has no qualms about fighting. He saw a flaw in the attack plan that Saturn didn‘t and corrected it, despite the fact it matched him against his friend.

If he wanted to help Vegapunk, he could easily have said nothing and left Sentomaru in charge of the Pacifista.

If he wanted to save Bonney, he could easily have not kicked her into the laser field.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kizaru is someone who chose to continue serving under WG despite not wanting to. Opposite of chad aokiji.

 

[HPsyche]

Kizaru basically co-signed Bonney's and Kuma's death warrant, right after Saturn.

That was a perfect opportunity for Kizaru to let Bonney and Kuma escape or at least try to make an escape. He could have pulled off a Fujitora and fought against Sanji the same way Fujitora did against Sabo to make himself appear occupied. Instead he cuts off the vacuum rocket tube and blocks escape access for Bonney and Kuma, and now they are about to get destroyed by the Pacifista (obviously someone will save them next chapter but that is irrelevant and has nothing to do with what Kizaru did this chapter).

He has firmly put himself with Saturn and stamped the death of a 12 year old. Even changing his mind in future chapters won't erase that.

You can't appear to fight seriously against someone who is significantly weaker than yourself.
Kizaru would likely decimate Sanji, there's just no competition.
He can't fake it.
Sabo on the other hand was always as strong as the Admirals or close to, can't say the same for Sanji who barely defeated a commander.

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

Or in the entire history of One Piece, how we’ve seen exactly one character, Lucci, actually go for someone’s throat to try and kill them.

But he only tries it once on Luffy, who can conveniently survive, and no one else in the series has ever tried it.

The hell?
Off the top of my head:
Guernica on Appo
Akazaya Nine on Crydo
ZoLo and Filler on Crydo
Carrot on Goofy (when he took her carrot)
Buggy on Goofy (Loguetown)
Smoker on Goofy (Marineford)

 

[Tyrant MUUGEN]

Kizaru basically co-signed Bonney's and Kuma's death warrant, right after Saturn.

That was a perfect opportunity for Kizaru to let Bonney and Kuma escape or at least try to make an escape. He could have pulled off a Fujitora and fought against Sanji the same way Fujitora did against Sabo to make himself appear occupied. Instead he cuts off the vacuum rocket tube and blocks escape access for Bonney and Kuma, and now they are about to get destroyed by the Pacifista (obviously someone will save them next chapter but that is irrelevant and has nothing to do with what Kizaru did this chapter).

He has firmly put himself with Saturn and stamped the death of a 12 year old. Even changing his mind in future chapters won't erase that.

he’s a marine first and foremost