Character Discussion KUUUZZAAAN!!!!!! WE COMIN FOR THAT ICE CANDY ASS!!!! #TheHeroCometh

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#81
What does this meann???
He hasn't shown ACoC. ACoC doesn't make you faster, it doesn't enhance your fighting skills, it doesn't do shit except add on to what you already have... in Koby's case it's the fighting skills of struggling against Kuja fodder.

No he's not on Garp's physical prowess, y'all be just making up random shit by taking panels out of context. Even Kuzan himself isn't.

-> He's shown better CoO than Helmeppo, a fodder, not anybody of relevance
-> He's shown ACoA, in a singular brink of death attack against a slow ass hand, after which he needed to be saved due to how much it exerted him.

There were handful of YCs available at Hachinuso for Koby to directly engage against, did he? No
There were handful of strong characters at Amazon Lily for Koby to directly engage against, did he? No
There was Kuzan himself at Hachinuso for Koby to directly engage against, did he? No... in fact they didn't have a single interaction

That lil gimmick powerup isn't turning Koby from a kid who struggled against Kuja fodder who Smoker pre-TS would've neg-diff'd. Tf are we doing here???

What you think of Koby and what Oda has shown of Koby and how he's treated Koby are two different things.


Doesn't need Acoc. Ryou he already could've had it in Punk Hazard and we simply not know. He had superior endurance/stamina to Luffy in Punk Hazard. A simple awakening powerup dependent on how strong it is can boost him levels, then he gets powerups during the fight against Kuzan itself akin to Luffy's numerous ones against Kaido.

He can still use the seastone Jitte.
AINT NO WAY MY BOY BROUGHT UP THE JITTE LOL
 
#86
Smoker hype in big 2025.... :Shadow_Unimpressed:
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Mastered AdCoC, Mastered CoO, ID CoA, Garp's techniques, top 2 portrayal and growth rate in the series, Top 3 AP in the verse with Honesty Impact.
He has all of these but he still needs to prove his strength?
Just say you don't have reading comprehension
You just made that up, beside Garp's technique and growth rate, everything else is nonsense
 
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#88
The entire point of battleship bags is to train physical strength only we literally see Kuzan match prime Garp in punching. So therefore he's as strong as him physically. We don't see Koby making the exact same sounds as Garp and Kuzan considering he was punching the ship before his EL face change. However since we see that he can out perform old Garp who can still cave in ships, without acoc which makes it ten times harder tell anyone that Koby is that strong physically too.
Or Koby has a secret broken lineage that works too
The battleship bags are indicator of base punching strength to a certain extent, it establishes the baseline, it doesn't establish the higher end line of strength. Furthermore, Koby is never shown making the same noise as Kuzan and Garp did, implying he hasn't achieved that level.

In which delusional world did you see Koby outperform Garp? Yo what??? Every attack Garp did in Hachinuso was superior to Koby's honesty impact.

He's a full rokushiki Master the only non cp agent to master the main six moves
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Rokushiki
Yes, and this only made him as strong of a fighter to handle the Kuja warriors, who're all fodder in the grand scheme. And when did you see him use it for any relevance against a strong combatant? Never.
Between the haki, rokushiki, and physical strength well beyond fucking pretimeskip Luffy it's clear as day Koby was holding back massively because Alvida trauma and Oda not wanting a good guy like him to beat up women who have a giant Luffy-san poster on their palace. The dude can sense and speed blitz underwater torpedos from miles away but can't sense 100 fodder with guns when plot demands it. It's plot induced stupidity happens to everyone at some point.
physical strength well beyond pre-TS Luffy is another level of goofyness you're displaying. With absolutely 0 feats to back it up.

Oda will never let anyone will an actual fight with seastone. He would not let fucking Nami and Usopp beat page one and his sister with it but you think he'll let Smoker beat Kuzan with it? You want Smoker to have a huge asterisk next to the only win he'll get in the story that isn't against people who can't hurt him?
Yet he's created a Marine character since day who uses it. Why would he have an asterisk, cause he uses a seastone Jitte while also being a DF user himself? huh?? That's like saying an Admiral has an asterisk next to him cause they use a weapon despite having powerful DFs... like bro what?

Anyway I'm done with this pointless back and forth so have fun with your Smoker coping. Maybe you can copy post your thread to r/piratefolk you'll get a lot of likes there too!
I don't do reddit. But not sure what exactly I'm coping about, other than stating factual things.


-> Koby displayed a singular attack, that rivals King Elizabello's attack... an attack that has 0 impact on his CQC skills which he is heavily behind in.
-> Koby was struggling against Kuja fodders... 1 attack that requires a charge up isn't changing it up.
-> Koby despite being in Hachinuso didn't face a single YC in a 1on1, Oda instead had to have Garp handle them all..

Despite all this you're pushing agendas that Koby is YC 1-3 level, and will train himself to be a top tier in few months. Make it make sense.
 
#89
The battleship bags are indicator of base punching strength to a certain extent, it establishes the baseline, it doesn't establish the higher end line of strength. Furthermore, Koby is never shown making the same noise as Kuzan and Garp did, implying he hasn't achieved that level.

In which delusional world did you see Koby outperform Garp? Yo what??? Every attack Garp did in Hachinuso was superior to Koby's honesty impact.


Yes, and this only made him as strong of a fighter to handle the Kuja warriors, who're all fodder in the grand scheme. And when did you see him use it for any relevance against a strong combatant? Never.

physical strength well beyond pre-TS Luffy is another level of goofyness you're displaying. With absolutely 0 feats to back it up.


Yet he's created a Marine character since day who uses it. Why would he have an asterisk, cause he uses a seastone Jitte while also being a DF user himself? huh?? That's like saying an Admiral has an asterisk next to him cause they use a weapon despite having powerful DFs... like bro what?


I don't do reddit. But not sure what exactly I'm coping about, other than stating factual things.


-> Koby displayed a singular attack, that rivals King Elizabello's attack... an attack that has 0 impact on his CQC skills which he is heavily behind in.
-> Koby was struggling against Kuja fodders... 1 attack that requires a charge up isn't changing it up.
-> Koby despite being in Hachinuso didn't face a single YC in a 1on1, Oda instead had to have Garp handle them all..

Despite all this you're pushing agendas that Koby is YC 1-3 level, and will train himself to be a top tier in few months. Make it make sense.
You and @Sir Yasheen are gonna be hurting when Koby defeats Kuzan or Teach
 
#91
You and @Sir Yasheen are gonna be hurting when Koby defeats Kuzan or Teach
Do you realize how much hot trash writing, one would require from going against struggling against Kuja fodder (not even the Kuja pirates, but the non-Kuja Pirate warriors) to beating Kuzan or Teach within few months???

Oda hasn't given that privilidge to Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid, Sanji, etc... he's not doing it to Koby.


Koby has been in multiple battles now... which relevant fighter has he fought, just name 1...
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Likely won't even be a 1on1, if it does happen. Probably a teamup fight with him and Grus.
 
#92
Do you realize how much hot trash writing, one would require from going against struggling against Kuja fodder (not even the Kuja pirates, but the non-Kuja Pirate warriors) to beating Kuzan or Teach within few months???

Oda hasn't given that privilidge to Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid, Sanji, etc... he's not doing it to Koby.


Koby has been in multiple battles now... which relevant fighter has he fought, just name 1...
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Likely won't even be a 1on1, if it does happen. Probably a teamup fight with him and Grus.
Accept the Hero vs the Corrupt King
Gotta be smoking Crack to think Garp's beloved protégé that he risked his life for will only have one major on screen fight and it's against fucking Pizarro of all people
 
#94
Gotta be smoking Crack to think Garp's beloved protégé that he risked his life for will only have one major on screen fight and it's against fucking Pizarro of all people
I said he'd fight Lucci and Helmeppo will fight Kaku in the final war, both Lucci and Kaku will be stronger than their Egghead selves, which is already a huge difference. Both of whom would like I said before neg-diff to low-diff Koby in a fight right now. Pizzaro is a legendary figure btw, but I already know it's a trend to downplay the BBPs, is what it is.


You're stating shit and taking shots at us, because of how you feel towards Koby. Grus is also Garp's protégé But ok... explain to me this.


Koby's fighting skills had him struggling against Kuja fodders, explain to me how Honesty Impacts 1 single attack, makes him a much better fighter in CQC?
Why did Oda not showcase Koby's awesome YC3 level skills during Hachinuso by having him fight a YC3?? Instead he was busy fighting fodders like Helmeppo and Grus, while Garp took care of the YCs.
Why didn't Koby or Kuzan have an interaction at Hachinuso?
Why is the one interaction Koby has with a YC, involve him getting saved by Helmeppo and then Gruss needing to save them + the rest of the marines?? So a team effort, against a single non-named generic arm swing from Pizzaro that was getting attacked by Garp.
 
#95
I said he'd fight Lucci and Helmeppo will fight Kaku in the final war, both Lucci and Kaku will be stronger than their Egghead selves, which is already a huge difference. Both of whom would like I said before neg-diff to low-diff Koby in a fight right now. Pizzaro is a legendary figure btw, but I already know it's a trend to downplay the BBPs, is what it is.


You're stating shit and taking shots at us, because of how you feel towards Koby. Grus is also Garp's protégé But ok... explain to me this.


Koby's fighting skills had him struggling against Kuja fodders, explain to me how Honesty Impacts 1 single attack, makes him a much better fighter in CQC?
Why did Oda not showcase Koby's awesome YC3 level skills during Hachinuso by having him fight a YC3?? Instead he was busy fighting fodders like Helmeppo and Grus, while Garp took care of the YCs.
Why didn't Koby or Kuzan have an interaction at Hachinuso?
Why is the one interaction Koby has with a YC, involve him getting saved by Helmeppo and then Gruss needing to save them + the rest of the marines?? So a team effort, against a single non-named generic arm swing from Pizzaro that was getting attacked by Garp.
Bro Zoro and King had 0 interactions before they fight and yet they still fought
Oda doesn't care about whether or not characters interacted before a fight, he does these things on a whim
It'd be a waste to not have Garp's current protégé who's goal is to become an Admiral not fight Garp's former protégé who was also an Admiral
 
#96
Bro Zoro and King had 0 interactions before they fight and yet they still fought
Oda doesn't care about whether or not characters interacted before a fight, he does these things on a whim
It'd be a waste to not have Garp's current protégé who's goal is to become an Admiral not fight Garp's former protégé who was also an Admiral
:saitahu:
Zoro and King literally met during Wano and fought during Wano... what kind of a comparison are you making bruhz??????

So you not gone answer any of my questions bet bet.
 
#97
:saitahu:
Zoro and King literally met during Wano and fought during Wano... what kind of a comparison are you making bruhz??????

So you not gone answer any of my questions bet bet.
They still didn't interact before that lmao, they had many chances to yet they never did
Koby can fight Pizarro, sure, but it's not going to be nearly as difficult as you make it out to be. One attack from Koby already destroyed the arm of the golem and also fucked up his real arm, imagine what a stronger Koby will do.
 
#98
They still didn't interact before that lmao, they had many chances to yet they never did
Koby can fight Pizarro, sure, but it's not going to be nearly as difficult as you make it out to be. One attack from Koby already destroyed the arm of the golem and also fucked up his real arm, imagine what a stronger Koby will do.
You're comparing people who met in the same arc and fought in the same arc... to Kuzan and Koby who were literally in an arc and didn't interact, which you claim is setting them up for a fight down the line... explain to me how you think this is a valid comparison??? King didn't exist as a character before Wano......

YOU are giving value to protege vs protege... ODA never gave it any value, hence why Koby nor Kuzan think of each other despite being face to face... nor does Garp does any sort of comparison between Koby or Kuzan.

1 attack from a Koby who Pizzaro thought was fodder, destroyed his arm, while Koby needed to get saved from by Helmeppo and rest of the Marines needing to get saved by Gruss... so he put damage on Pizzaro by catching him by surprise, in his more vulnerable form? When he gets actually stronger he might actually get Pizzaro's attention for a proper fight.
 
#99
You're comparing people who met in the same arc and fought in the same arc... to Kuzan and Koby who were literally in an arc and didn't interact, which you claim is setting them up for a fight down the line... explain to me how you think this is a valid comparison??? King didn't exist as a character before Wano......

YOU are giving value to protege vs protege... ODA never gave it any value, hence why Koby nor Kuzan think of each other despite being face to face... nor does Garp does any sort of comparison between Koby or Kuzan.

1 attack from a Koby who Pizzaro thought was fodder, destroyed his arm, while Koby needed to get saved from by Helmeppo and rest of the Marines needing to get saved by Gruss... so he put damage on Pizzaro by catching him by surprise, in his more vulnerable form? When he gets actually stronger he might actually get Pizzaro's attention for a proper fight.
:seriously:
 
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