Controversial Let’s Fix Hara’s Drunken Stat System

[Lee Ba Shou]

Hello all,

So after coming face to face with Sou Jin having a higher strength stat than Kaishibou, the metaphorical camel’s back was broken and I decided to give Kingdom a stat system that wasn’t complete doo doo butter. I’ll start with just Qin characters for now and add the other states later since there are a lot of these guys. I would encourage you all to do the same should you feel so inclined.

Some disclaimers:
-Hara’s stat system goes up to 100 which is completely weird since the only relevant stats begin at 90, but since that’s the way the data books do it, I’ll keep my list the same.
-Obviously there’s going to be a lot of speculation here but here goes anyway.
-My strength stat includes weight so no “+Alpha” or “85 but can push back Renpa!” No. No. No.)
-These stats are a work in progress so don’t crucify me lol.

Qin

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Old Generation

Hakuki
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 98?
Total: 294

Ouki
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 96
Total: 291

Middle Generation

Shouheikun (current)
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 95
Total: 289

Mougou
Strength: 88
Intelligence: 82
Leadership: 85
Total: 265

Moubu
Strength: 100
Intelligence: 88 (my boy slept on)
Leadership: 96
Total: 284

Tou
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 95
Leadership: 94
Total: 284

Ousen
Strength: 91
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 93
Total: 283

Yotanwa
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 91
Leadership: 99
Total: 284

Kanki
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 96
Total: 283

New Qin Generation

Shin
Strength: 95
Instincts: 78
Leadership: 86
Total: 259

Ouhon
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 88
Leadership: 86
Total: 269

Mouten
Strength: 84
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 85
Total: 265

Kyoukai
Strength: 99 certified bullshit
Intelligence: 81
Leadership: 81
Total: 259

Zhao

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Old Generation
Great Generals

Renpa
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 97
Total: 294

Rinshoujou
Strength: ???
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 99
Total:??? 198

Generals
Renpa’s Heavenly Kings

Rinko
Strength: 92
Intelligence: 85
Leadership: 85
Total: 262

Kaishibou
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 84
Leadership: 84
Total: 263

Kyou En
Archery: 96
Intelligence: 88
Leadership: 80
Total: 262

Genpou
Strength: ???
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 88
Total: 185???

Rinshoujou’s Ten Heroes

Gyou’Un
Strength: 95
Instinct: 90
Leadership: 80
Total: 265

Chou Garyuu
Strength: 88
Intelligence: 92
Leadership: 82
Total: 262

Middle Generation
Great Generals

Riboku
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 100 gigabrain
Leadership: 98
Total: 288

Houken
Strength: 98 (since he has no weight)
Intelligence: 75 (he is not an idiot)
Leadership: ???
Total: ??? 173

Shibashou [speculation]
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 90
Leadership: 94
Total: 283

Kochou
Strength: 91
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 90
Total: 277

Generals
Kochou’s Vassals

Gakuhaku Kou
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 82
Leadership: 82
Total: 260

Ryuhaku Kou
Strength: 86
Intelligence: 84
Leadership: 87
Total: 257

RyuFu
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 80
Leadership: 82
Total: 252

Kohaku Kou
Strength: 84
Intelligence: 87
Leadership: 85
Total: 256

Shibashou’s Lads

Kansaro
Strength: 92
Intelligence: 86
Leadership: 84?
Total: 262

Gakushou
Strength: 92
Intelligence: 85
Leadership: 83?
Total: 260

Jyoukaryuu
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 78?
Leadership: 86?
Total: 258

Jiaga
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 80?
Leadership: 80?
Total: 256

Wei
(Gonna need to look at these again)

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Fire Dragons

Gokei
Strength: 88
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 92
Total: 285

Shi Ei
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 88
Leadership: 88
Total: 272

Gaimou
Strength: 98
Intelligence: 78
Leadership: 90?
Total: 267

Rei Ou
Strength: ???
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: ???
Total: 98???

Gohoumei
Strength: ???
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 90
Total: 186???

I can already tell that this is going to wrack my brain. Lol

I’m going to add other characters later so fret not. Lol

@Owl Ki @Blackbeard @FutureWarrior123 @God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea @Krusher1357 @Shanks @Xione @Jailer @RayanOO etc etc etc

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Hello all,

So after coming face to face with Sou Jin having a higher strength stat than Kaishibou, the metaphorical camel’s back was broken and I decided to give Kingdom a stat system that wasn’t complete doo doo butter. I’ll start with just Qin characters for now and add the other states later since there are a lot of these guys. I would encourage you all to do the same should you feel so inclined.

Some disclaimers:
-Hara’s stat system goes up to 100 which is completely weird since the only relevant stats begin at 90, but since that’s the way the data books do it, I’ll keep my list the same.
-Obviously there’s going to be a lot of speculation here but here goes anyway.
-My strength stat includes “weightso no “+Alpha” or “85 but can push back Renpa!” No. No. No.)
-These stats are a work in progress so don’t crucify me lol.

Qin

Spoiler

Old Generation

Hakuki
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 98?
Total: 292

Ouki
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 96
Total: 291

Middle Generation

Shouheikun (current)
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 95
Total: 289

Mougou
Strength: 88
Intelligence: 82
Leadership: 85
Total: 265

Moubu
Strength: 100
Intelligence: 88 (my boy slept on)
Leadership: 96
Total: 284

Tou
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 95
Leadership: 94
Total: 284

Ousen
Strength: 91
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 93
Total: 283

Yotanwa
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 91
Leadership: 99
Total: 284

Kanki
Strength: 91
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 96
Total: 284

New Qin Generation

Shin
Strength: 95
Instincts: 78
Leadership: 86
Total: 259

Ouhon
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 91
Leadership: 86
Total: 272

Mouten
Strength: 84
Intelligence: 95
Leadership: 85
Total: 264

Kyoukai
Strength: 99 certified bullshit
Intelligence: 81
Leadership: 81
Total: 259

I can already tell that this is going to wrack my brain. Lol

I’m going to add other characters later so fret not. Lol

@Owl Ki @Blackbeard @FutureWarrior123 @God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea @Krusher1357 @Shanks @Xione @Jailer @RayanOO etc etc etc

Add me to the tag list bro

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Zhao

Spoiler

Old Generation
Great Generals

Renpa
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 97
Total: 294

Rinshoujou
Strength: ???
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 99
Total:??? 198

Generals
Renpa’s Heavenly Kings

Rinko
Strength: 92
Intelligence: 85
Leadership: 85
Total: 262

Kaishibou
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 84
Leadership: 84
Total: 263

Kyou En
Archery: 96
Intelligence: 88
Leadership: 80
Total: 262

Genpou
Strength: ???
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 88
Total: 185???

Rinshoujou’s Ten Heroes

Gyou’Un
Strength: 95
Instinct: 90
Leadership: 80
Total: 265

Chou Garyuu
Strength: 88
Intelligence: 92
Leadership: 82
Total: 262

Middle Generation
Great Generals

Riboku
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 100 gigabrain
Leadership: 98
Total: 288

Houken
Strength: 98 (since he has no weight)
Intelligence: 75 (he is not an idiot)
Leadership: ???
Total: ??? 173

Shibashou [speculation]
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 90
Leadership: 94
Total: 283

 

[Welkin]

Isn't "weight" a stat as well?

It makes no sense but it's canon iirc

 

[Peroroncino]

Sou jin > Kaishibou
Cry

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Moubu - 10

Kanmei - 9.5

Ouki - 9

Renpa - 9

Gaimou - 9

Gyou Un - 8.5

Kaishibou - 8

Bananji - 8

Tou - 8

Yotanwa - 8

Ouhon - 8

Shin - 7.5

Jyoukaryuu - 7.5

 

[Blackbeard]

Hello all,

So after coming face to face with Sou Jin having a higher strength stat than Kaishibou, the metaphorical camel’s back was broken and I decided to give Kingdom a stat system that wasn’t complete doo doo butter. I’ll start with just Qin characters for now and add the other states later since there are a lot of these guys. I would encourage you all to do the same should you feel so inclined.

Some disclaimers:
-Hara’s stat system goes up to 100 which is completely weird since the only relevant stats begin at 90, but since that’s the way the data books do it, I’ll keep my list the same.
-Obviously there’s going to be a lot of speculation here but here goes anyway.
-My strength stat includes weight so no “+Alpha” or “85 but can push back Renpa!” No. No. No.)
-These stats are a work in progress so don’t crucify me lol.

Qin

Spoiler

Old Generation

Hakuki
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 98?
Total: 294

Ouki
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 96
Total: 291

Middle Generation

Shouheikun (current)
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 95
Total: 289

Mougou
Strength: 88
Intelligence: 82
Leadership: 85
Total: 265

Moubu
Strength: 100
Intelligence: 88 (my boy slept on)
Leadership: 96
Total: 284

Tou
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 95
Leadership: 94
Total: 284

Ousen
Strength: 91
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 93
Total: 283

Yotanwa
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 91
Leadership: 99
Total: 284

Kanki
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 96
Total: 283

New Qin Generation

Shin
Strength: 95
Instincts: 78
Leadership: 86
Total: 259

Ouhon
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 91
Leadership: 86
Total: 272

Mouten
Strength: 84
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 85
Total: 265

Kyoukai
Strength: 99 certified bullshit
Intelligence: 81
Leadership: 81
Total: 259

Zhao

Spoiler

Old Generation

Renpa
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 97
Total: 294

Rinshoujou
Strength: ???
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 99
Total:??? 198

Middle Generation

Riboku
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 100 gigabrain
Leadership: 98
Total: 288

Houken
Strength: 98 (since he has no weight)
Intelligence: 75 (he is not an idiot)
Leadership: ???
Total: ??? 173

Shibashou [speculation]
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 90
Leadership: 94
Total: 283

I can already tell that this is going to wrack my brain. Lol

I’m going to add other characters later so fret not. Lol

@Owl Ki @Blackbeard @FutureWarrior123 @God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea @Krusher1357 @Shanks @Xione @Jailer @RayanOO etc etc etc

I will add the heavy hitters first, and hopefully remaining states generals later on. So basically the values are depending on Hakuki as the benchmark. Didn't put much thought in it so it's probably prone to change.

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Hakuki
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 100
Leadership: 96

Gakuki
Strength: 93
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 100

Renpa
Strength: 98
Intelligence: 93
Leadership: 98

Ouki
Strength: 98
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 95

Ousen
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 100
Leadership: 92

Riboku
Strength: 88
Intelligence: 100
Leadership: 92

Tou
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 95
Leadership: 92

Moubu
Strength: 100
Intelligence: 86
Leadership: 88

Kanki
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 91

Yotanwa
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 93
Leadership: 98

Shouheikun (for now)
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 92

 

[Shanks]

Sou Jin having a higher strength stat than Kaishibou

Is this Sou Jin the same one from archers brother or someone else !!

Moubu - 10

Kanmei - 9.5

Ouki - 9

Renpa - 9

Gaimou - 9

Gyou Un - 8.5

Kaishibou - 8

Bananji - 8

Tou - 8

Yotanwa - 8

Ouhon - 8

Shin - 7.5

Jyoukaryuu - 7.5

Tou and Shin beating Gyou'un for sure.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Tou and Shin beating Gyou'un for sure.

That's Shin without his shonen ability. He can easily reach a 9 in a fight.

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Qin

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Old Gen

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Ouki
Strength: 98

Hakuki
Strength: 95

Oukotsu
Strength: 99

Duke Hyou
Strength: 95

Middle Gen

Shouheikun
Strength: 96

Mougou
Strength: 90

Moubu
Strength: 100

Tou
Strength: 95

Ousen
Strength: 90

Yotanwa
Strength: 95

Kanki
Strength: 92

New Gen

Shin
Strength: 95

Ouhon
Strength: 96

Mouten
Strength: 90

Kyoukai
Strength: 96

 

[Xione]

Only stats I would change right now from as they are from Hara's:

SHK - change strength stat to atleast 95
Kashibou - change strength stat to atleast 95
Bananji - change intel stat to atleast 90
Ryofui - Politics should be atleast 95 if not 100, unless Hara views politics as actual governance and etc, then nvm.
Riboku - strength stat should atleast be 93

Outside of that I don't think I have any problem with the stats. And don't have the brain power left to create my own from scratch while taking into account weight and all those story based aspects.

 

[RayanOO]

I think stat wise there are levels

93 should be the max stats for a high tier stat. 93 is often portrayed as a solid level but you lack something to be with the big guys : CGR 93 in smart, Shun sui ji too, Rin Bun Kun in STR etc.

94 should be the in between stats : for monster in the field but not totally top tiers. Like a low top tier stats lol. For exemple Gyou Un 94 in STR or Bananji. Those guys in STR are close to top tier and borderline.

95 and more are top tier stats

95 should be top tier stat : exemple Duke Hyou and YTW in STR, Sento Un who is top tier martially etc.

96 should be strong top tier in the competence : for exemple Ko Chou in smart, Ju Ko Ou, Genpo, Tou for STR. So solid top tier but not monsters

97 is an other level : that stats is often for monsters in one field : Renpa STR, Man U, Gaimou, Rei Ou in smart etc

98 is an other step : special monster : just a shade below the peak : like Ouki 98 in STR, Renpa leadership, RSJ etc

99 : for people who are at the peak of the game :Ousen smart, RSJ smart, Kanmei strength etc

100 : the strongest of that field : RBK smart, Houken strength , Moubu etc etc

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

I feel like Kyoukai’s intelligence stat is too low here. She single handedly carried the HSU’s strategies before Ten joined (despite having zero strategic training) and was the first main character to understand Ousen’s locust strategy during the Gyou arc. She’s incredibly smart, just lazy, that’s all.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Why is Yotanwa so low at 94? She basically neg diffed Bajio lol.

 

[Xlaw]

Kyoukai
Strength: 99 certified bullshit
Intelligence: 81
Leadership: 81
Total: 259

She is more intelligent than that...she is not getting much limelight but we have seen her decoding ousens lotus strategy , Weird structure of Ritsubi castle and many..she is comfortably near 90

 

[RayanOO]

Ouki
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 96
Total: 291

I think 98 in STR was perfect for Ouki

Smart 95/96 was good too

But the former 93 was an insult, I agree with you he needs a 96/97 in Leadership

Renpa being a shade above him in leadership seems correct (Renpa 98). So 96/97 is good for Ouki

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Mouten
Strength: 84
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 85
Total: 265

96 in smart for Mouten is too high. He is not experienced enough for now.

I think his current 92 is too low but 96 is too high. 93/94 like Shin/Ouhon best stats seems good.

 

[Great General Kanki]

Why is Hakuki given a late 90 str? Absolutely nothing to suggest that.

 

[God Buggy]

Why is Hakuki given a late 90 str? Absolutely nothing to suggest that.

I agree that Hakuki's strenght stat shouldn't be quite as high as 97 (for example). However, given Hakuki's size and this:

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Then I think that a 93/94/95 in strenght is perfectly feasible. I certainly find it hard to believe that the man had an "86" as the official stat would suggest.

He remains a tactical freak first and foremost. But it seems like that he would have been noticeably dangerous to approach with a duel in mind too and that a whole bunch of people should have stayed away from a 1v1 with him.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Why is Hakuki given a late 90 str? Absolutely nothing to suggest that.

I did a whole thread on Hakuki, the man was definitely a martial monster and there is plenty of indication on this. He was definitely GG tier in martial strength which in these stats is like 95+

 

[MarineHQ]

Teaching Hara how to do stats is like teaching Oda how to be good at pacing his arcs, an impossible task.

 

[Great General Kanki]

I agree that Hakuki's strenght stat shouldn't be quite as high as 97 (for example). However, given Hakuki's size and this:

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Then I think that a 93/94/95 in strenght is perfectly feasible. I certainly find it hard to believe that the man had an "86" as the official stat would suggest.

He remains a tactical freak first and foremost. But it seems like that he would have been noticeably dangerous to approach with a duel in mind too and that a whole bunch of people should have stayed away from a 1v1 with him.

A 93 is fine, but remember a martial general or someone who can do special things on the battlefield is basically 85+. What that page tells us is that Koshou was the only like...nerd. Think GHM, RSJ etc.

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I did a whole thread on Hakuki, the man was definitely a martial monster and there is plenty of indication on this. He was definitely GG tier in martial strength which in these stats is like 95+

I did respond at the end of that thread but there is such a huge reach between what is indicated, and being a virtual top tier.