Speculations Let me cope more. (Shockwaves)

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#22
Why didn't he put Oden here that he received PTDS?
Because Oden cannot be used as an example of conquering seas as the only possible example is Roger?
Stop looking at isolated panels and include context... The narrative praises the leader, despite not being any different than Oden, Rayleigh and Gaban ability wise.
We literally saw Roger failing to leave a scar on Garp so no point in comparing him with a guy who left a scar on Kaido.

Roger had inferior combat style, while being identical stat wise to Oden. That's the only difference between them.
Kaido has PTSD from Oden because he dealt far more damage to him than Roger, completely logical. Meanwhile, people think the only guy who left a PTSD on Kaido is the weakest... Make it make sense.
 
#23
Because Oden cannot be used as an example of conquering seas as the only possible example is Roger?
Stop looking at isolated panels and include context... The narrative praises the leader, despite not being any different than Oden, Rayleigh and Gaban ability wise.
We literally saw Roger failing to leave a scar on Garp so no point in comparing him with a guy who left a scar on Kaido.

Roger had inferior combat style, while being identical stat wise to Oden. That's the only difference between them.
Kaido has PTSD from Oden because he dealt far more damage to him than Roger, completely logical. Meanwhile, people think the only guy who left a PTSD on Kaido is the weakest... Make it make sense.
True, I am debating with another flag earther who says Oden> Roger and Whitebeard
 
#26
Slashes are simply more lethal. Oden carved a large scar into Kaido's body with a single blow and he isn't even the peak of what swordsmanship is, (prime) Zoro basically being a superior version. It seems like Oden would've finished Kaido with the second blow for good, now the question is, whether two of Xebec's shockwaves would've had the same outcome.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#28
#30
He was, back in that era. That's why Kaido suffers a PTSD only from Oden.
Yes, Oden is basically Miyamoto Musashi. While when it comes to Zoro, Oda said he have him Santoryu, because Miyamoto Musashi was a Nitoryu user and he wanted to make Zoro greater than the greatest which Miyamoto was. Plus achieving a black blade, something Oden according to his father could not achieve. There is no character that would be capable of surviving a single blow from Zoro..
 
#31
can’t wait for the long-range shockwaves from waw
Law and Sengoku Shockwaves are inferior but concentrated.
They can only produce shockwaves in their bubbles.
That logic doesn't apply to the rest.
Law bypasses Defence, and Sengoku concentrates it in a bubble. Both are good in their own way but different from the rest of the shockwaves
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Blackbeard went for Gura Gura no mi to replicate Xebec.

  • First, Xebec Swordsmanship
    • It creates Powerful Shockwaves.
  • Second, what does Gura Gura no mi do?
    • It creates Powerful Shockwaves/vibrations.
  • Similarities
    • Xebec and Whitebeard/Blackbeard
      • Whitebeard/Blackbeard
      • Kaidou / Bigmom
      • Xebec
      • Dorry and Broogy
All the above are the Strong " Shockwaves " attacks.

  • So far, only Xebec Attack seems Hakified. His Haki was needed to keep up with the Monster physique people there.
All the Rocks pirates were inspired by Xebec, and followed his fighting Style to some extent.

And in the end, this is all a part of " Elbaf Swordsmanship ".

  • Zoro Shockwave Attack
  • Roger and Shanks Kamasuri
  • Garp and Sengoku / Coby
It's really all fuckin shockwaves in the end.

It's just categorised differently.
  • Haki + Monster Physique
    • Garp
    • Coby
    • Kaidou
  • Haki + Swordsmanship
    • Xebec
    • Roger
    • Big Mom
    • Zoro
  • Alternative DF for Shockwaves
    • Gura Gura no mi - Whitebeard
    • Hito hito no mi - Sengoku
    • Open Ope no mi - Law
Somehow Law and Blackbeard Clash makes more sense now. It was Shockwaves only in the end.

Next Thread,
Cutting vs Shockwaves, which is Superior?
I forgot. Fujitora has Shockwaves attack too lol.
 
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#32
Yes, shockwaves are the pinnacle. It is there to showcase raw power, and impact. Pretty basic shounen stuff, it’s kind of like One Piece’s version of ki blasts.

I’ve been preaching for years how busted Law is, his shockwaves have a unique element of lethality to it. That’s why Big Mom singled it out as a dangerous technique. You saw how Roger’s attacks look less impressive in comparison to the effects of Shock Wille.
Law has a disgusting power many top tiers value his df, be it his hax technique even the value to sell it alone (Blackbeard would have made a crapton of money for example)
 
#33
Law and Sengoku Shockwaves are inferior but concentrated.
They can only produce shockwaves in their bubbles.
That logic doesn't apply to the rest.
Law bypasses Defence, and Sengoku concentrates it in a bubble. Both are good in their own way but different from the rest of the shockwaves
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I forgot. Fujitora has Shockwaves attack too lol.
Law has re-room, he can potentially do long range shockwaves
 
#34
Lmao you guys are on some good good crack. The natural inclination of a shockwave is to have it's power spread out, rather than honed into a single focus. If you focused said power into a single point it would become much more devastating, this is why Garp who already experienced God Valley had to literally train to face Chinjaos drill.

And when he caved in Chinjaos head, tell me, did he use a shockwave? no, he focused his attack into a single point, if he did that shockwave bullshit on chinjao, chinjaos head would have drilled right through it.
 
#40
What we saw was ending of oden vs Kaido fight. Both were fighting for long time. Oden was so weakened that one sneak attack did him in where fresh akainu took WB's sneak attack on head without much issue.

When oden landed togen totsuka , Kaido probably was pretty tired and not fresh.
 
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