General & Others Let's replace the Five Elders with these characters. Kaido, Big Mom, Mihawk, Green Bull, and Kuzan

[kekaro]

Well if you want to use the plot excuse then everything is meaningless and powerscaling discussions are irrelevant.

People acting like if characters are real or oda started to write this as a narrative just couple years ago are so fucking funny
"its the plot"
"oda holding them back"
they think they are football players or something and not some narrative tools the author has 100% control over or this a power level simulation

If oda wants he can make all the strawhat job, make the giants arrive, get them on the boat and leave, for example
Some peoples brain might have been fried here posting the same thing over the years idk

 

[Gauntlet]

You completely missed the point lil bro.

I honestly don't care about your point because calling plot devices "excuses" in a fictional story is simply idiotic to be frank. Why would I seriously argue with someone that seem so adamant on things like "plot armor" not being a valid reason for why a character not performing as well as they logically should?

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

Kuzan neg diff Blackbeard crew twice which it is EOS battle for starwhats . Kaido simply club attack to smash the frozen people. Kuzan can freeze ocean making escape almost impossible.

Mihawk fight zoro and win and destroy sunny .

‘’Big mom get toon diff by gear 5 luffy.. Greenbull fight luffy .

Then rest of them beat luffy .

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Those five characters kill them with almost zero effort and the manga ends, Gorosei not being able to go all out is just some bullshit you made up, straight cope.

No lol. The characters being switched up won't randomly turn it into Berserk. The mcs are still going to escape with out even losing a limb.
Yall don't know how Oda rolls with this stuff by now and it's crazy

 

[ElderOnitar]

No such stipulation exists in the manga


Also I don't need Kaido and co.
Here is what happens if I put enel from skypia against Brook usopp Nami and chopper right now trying to escape

He doesn't even need to try
This is the weirdest cope thread about gorosei and they get worse the more they appear

TBF, there was a whole chapter where Nami and Usopp were dodging attacks from Enel and running around him, although Sanji needed to intervene at the end.

 

[Roo]

No such stipulation exists in the manga


Also I don't need Kaido and co.
Here is what happens if I put enel from skypia against Brook usopp Nami and chopper right now trying to escape

He doesn't even need to try
This is the weirdest cope thread about gorosei and they get worse the more they appear

SHs escape becuase lolda

 

[L57]

It's the Egghead arc, same scenario but this time instead of the Gorosei, it is Kaido, Big Mom, Mihawk, Green Bull, and Kuzan.

The Straw Hats and everyone is trying to escape from them.

The five villains can not go all out but they can still somewhat fight.

The five villains can also get hurt because they obviously don't have the immortality regen.

Again same scenario in everything except this time it's those five characters instead of the Gorosei.


So now here is the question?
Would you downplay them? Or would you make excuses for them?

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Excuse bcs oda s writing is ass
Gorosei are vicitims of strawhats plot armor especially goofy s insane plot armor

 

[Djordje]

If part 1 Luffy plot armour was enough for him to survive encounters with Garp , Mihawk , Sengoku and 3 admirals then I see no reason why Straw hats can't survive those 5.

 

[Wanderer]

I really like how people can immediately understand when character is weak because of plot and when he is just weak. I have a secret for you guys, everything that happens in the manga happens because of plot reasons, Gorosei just suck and nothing can change that.
And yeah, Straw Hats would get destroyed by Kaido, Big Mom etc, that why Oda put against them weaker characters - Gorosei

 

[MonsterKaido]

If plot demands even 5 roger can't prevent SH escaping. We will see at some point what gorosei are really capable off.

 

[kekaro]

TBF, there was a whole chapter where Nami and Usopp were dodging attacks from Enel and running around him, although Sanji needed to intervene at the end.

sure and I already addressed that:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...reen-bull-and-kuzan.58243/page-2#post-5499109
"If oda wants he can make all the strawhat job, make the giants arrive, get them on the boat and leave, for example "
They could make them run away and dodge attacks but still be defeated at the end or the one who is protect them

Again people have problem grasping narrative, this is not about just harping about "le feats" over all they are shit villains because non SH got even remotely seriously damage by them

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Remember when Mihawk and the admirals failed to kill pre skip Luffy?

 

[Water1415]

Those five characters kill them with almost zero effort and the manga ends, Gorosei not being able to go all out is just some bullshit you made up, straight cope.

Who did Big Mom and Kaido kill in Wano?

 

[Konstantis]

Plot from Oda>>>>> actual characters power lvl

Freeza will fail here if Oda writing the story

 

[mly90]

Plot from Oda>>>>> actual characters power lvl

Freeza will fail here if Oda writing the story

You can use logic when it concerns the characters you care about

 

[Hiragaro]

Gorosei are going all out though

They are clearly not. Saturn for example is not using any of his abilities he showed prior. No eye attack, no poison on his spikes/nail or whatever the fuck you call it, no stunning/binding ability, no bijuu poison bombs etc.
Peter, Mars and Warcury didn't even used their Hybrid Forms.

How are they going all out?

At the end it's Plot Armor about anything anyways.

 

[Konstantis]

You can use logic when it concerns the characters you care about

like it or not, we didn't see how Topman attack Luffy, or Jupeter, and not because they wasn't able to do that, but they didn't do a thing because of plot.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Freeza will fail here if Oda writing the story

But he would look FAULOUS while doing so

 

[MonsterKaido]

You can use logic when it concerns the characters you care about

I am pretty sure he won't show same consideration for Mihawk in MF.

 

[mly90]

I am pretty sure he won't show same consideration for Mihawk in MF.

Lmao exactly he immediately goes on to wear his agenda glasses with goathawk. He was fully loyal to the wg apparently although manga very early on debunks that notion. He wanted to kill luffy despite telling him and zoro he was looking forward to their growth in baratie