General & Others Luffy is LOSING what makes him special with the whole alliance crap
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It's not about character development but rather Luffy's personal worth, it's about perfect balance between Luffy achieving something because ha has faith in his frends and Luffy achieving something because his friends have faith in Luffy. Luffy always relies in his frends in every situation and there's been moments when Luffy got helped in fighting by his friends, but there are moments when his frends look up to him as a captain as a someone who is responsible for their lifes and needs to have the strength to protect them, it's about Luffy having what it takes to become the Pirate King vs Luffy becoming the Pirate King because he was made the one by his friends. Like when Luffy showed his frends especially Robin that he can defeat Rob Lucci and protect them, protect Robin...
Or when Nami relied on Luffy when they couldn't do anything...
And Luffy humiliated himself in WCI running form Big Mom cuz he didn't have the strength to defeat her, then he relied on Jinbe for covering their back while they were running, Pedro died because Luffy couldn't protect him.
And now, they are in Wano and their's no way to run, Sanji put his faith on Luffy when he dicided to go with them and Luffy should prove himself, the Wano people relie on Luffy, Momonoske relies on Luffy cuz he promised Momonoske that he will defeat Kiado.
The Samurais needs a real man to fallow, someone that can defeat Kaido...
Luffy alredy relied on Jinbe in WCI and now his friends relie on Luffy, if Luffy can't defeat Kaido by himself, prove his personal worth, back up his words, protect his frends, then what kind of Pirate king he is?
Oden mid diffed Kaido by himself.
Or when Nami relied on Luffy when they couldn't do anything...
And Luffy humiliated himself in WCI running form Big Mom cuz he didn't have the strength to defeat her, then he relied on Jinbe for covering their back while they were running, Pedro died because Luffy couldn't protect him.
And now, they are in Wano and their's no way to run, Sanji put his faith on Luffy when he dicided to go with them and Luffy should prove himself, the Wano people relie on Luffy, Momonoske relies on Luffy cuz he promised Momonoske that he will defeat Kiado.
The Samurais needs a real man to fallow, someone that can defeat Kaido...
Luffy alredy relied on Jinbe in WCI and now his friends relie on Luffy, if Luffy can't defeat Kaido by himself, prove his personal worth, back up his words, protect his frends, then what kind of Pirate king he is?
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Oden mid diffed Kaido by himself.
It's not about character development but rather Luffy's personal worth, it's about perfect balance between Luffy achieving something because ha has faith in his frends and Luffy achieving something because his friends have faith in Luffy. Luffy always relies in his frends in every situation and there's been moments when Luffy got helped in fighting by his friends, but there are moments when his frends look up to him as a captain as a someone who is responsible for their lifes and needs to have the strength to protect them, it's about Luffy having what it takes to become the Pirate King vs Luffy becoming the Pirate King because he was made the one by his friends. Like when Luffy showed his frends especially Robin that he can defeat Rob Lucci and protect them, protect Robin...
Or when Nami relied on Luffy when they couldn't do anything...
And Luffy humiliated himself in WCI running form Big Mom cuz he didn't have the strength to defeat her, then he relied on Jinbe for covering their back while they were running, Pedro died because Luffy couldn't protect him.
And now, they are in Wano and their's no way to run, Sanji put his faith on Luffy when he dicided to go with them and Luffy should prove himself, the Wano people relie on Luffy, Momonoske relies on Luffy cuz he promised Momonoske that he will defeat Kiado.
The Samurais needs a real man to fallow, someone that can defeat Kaido...
Luffy alredy relied on Jinbe in WCI and now his friends relie on Luffy, if Luffy can't defeat Kaido by himself, prove his personal worth, back up his words, protect his frends, then what kind of Pirate king he is?
Or when Nami relied on Luffy when they couldn't do anything...
And Luffy humiliated himself in WCI running form Big Mom cuz he didn't have the strength to defeat her, then he relied on Jinbe for covering their back while they were running, Pedro died because Luffy couldn't protect him.
And now, they are in Wano and their's no way to run, Sanji put his faith on Luffy when he dicided to go with them and Luffy should prove himself, the Wano people relie on Luffy, Momonoske relies on Luffy cuz he promised Momonoske that he will defeat Kiado.
The Samurais needs a real man to fallow, someone that can defeat Kaido...
Luffy alredy relied on Jinbe in WCI and now his friends relie on Luffy, if Luffy can't defeat Kaido by himself, prove his personal worth, back up his words, protect his frends, then what kind of Pirate king he is?
Pirate king doesn't really mean you're all-powerful and strongest. Even Roger ran from conflict and needed help.
Luffy probably ultimately will finish Kaido off as the final wild card everyone puts faith in because that is how shonen works, but he will have a lot of GK-style help for it, otherwise the balance of powers established until now would all be forsaken.
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And of course he will rely on his friends, ffs. It's all about mutual trust.
Back in Arlong Park, when Luffy said that he pretty much can't do anything without relying on his crewmembers, Arlong mocked him while asking if there's anything he can do. Luffy answered that he can beat him.
While being the pirate king might not mean being powerful, it was stated early on that the ability to beat the big bad guys standing in the way of the crew is one thing Luffy can and should be able to do. I'm fine with Luffy having help against Kaido though, as long as he finish him.
While being the pirate king might not mean being powerful, it was stated early on that the ability to beat the big bad guys standing in the way of the crew is one thing Luffy can and should be able to do. I'm fine with Luffy having help against Kaido though, as long as he finish him.
Yes, but let's not cling onto Arlong forever, it'd be terrifyingly boring if that was Luffy's only idea and purpose in the whole scheme of things.
He still has that attitude, and I'm sure once he does reach the top, he'll be able to say it to everyone. But now it's pretty dumb to believe he can beat overpowered characters completely solo.
He still has that attitude, and I'm sure once he does reach the top, he'll be able to say it to everyone. But now it's pretty dumb to believe he can beat overpowered characters completely solo.
True all of this.
For instance, Law is badass, cool super popular, and charismatic but I am like:
What is the point of having Zoro if he uses a sword, cuts mountain, and give orders ?
What is the point of having Chopper if he is also a doctor ?
What is the point of having Robin if he is also a cunning strategist ?
What is the point of having Nami if he can steal anything with his room ?
What is the point of having Usopp be the sniper if he can one shot the yeti brothers ?
What is the point having 2 D's in our crew when we already have Luffy ? It kinda diminishes the MC's importance.
Final Fantasy X is pretty much the gaming equivalent of One Piece in everything including gameplay. Every 7 characters have their own abilities that make all of them useful in battle. Imagine if the designers added another character (law) that could do almost everyhting the initial cast could do. Players would wind up using only him cause they would have no incentives to play with the other characters.
Its worse when Oda admitted that he never intended Law to be that important.
For instance, Law is badass, cool super popular, and charismatic but I am like:
What is the point of having Zoro if he uses a sword, cuts mountain, and give orders ?
What is the point of having Chopper if he is also a doctor ?
What is the point of having Robin if he is also a cunning strategist ?
What is the point of having Nami if he can steal anything with his room ?
What is the point of having Usopp be the sniper if he can one shot the yeti brothers ?
What is the point having 2 D's in our crew when we already have Luffy ? It kinda diminishes the MC's importance.
Final Fantasy X is pretty much the gaming equivalent of One Piece in everything including gameplay. Every 7 characters have their own abilities that make all of them useful in battle. Imagine if the designers added another character (law) that could do almost everyhting the initial cast could do. Players would wind up using only him cause they would have no incentives to play with the other characters.
Its worse when Oda admitted that he never intended Law to be that important.
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Roger never run from any battles nether did Whitbeard!
If you're talking about Big Mom case then that's whole different thing, Roger wasn't in a position to protect his frends he came only for ponegliph.
Yes, becoming the pairet king requires more than strength but the biggest requirement for becoming the Pairet king is strength, whiteout it you are nathing, especially if you don't have the strength to protect your frends and back up your words.
It's no coincidence that Roger and Whitbeard were the two most strongest characters in their era. Roger became the pirate king only after defeating Rocks just like Luffy will become the pirate king after defeating Blackbeard, thinking that pirate king title is not about strength is stupid.
If you're talking about Big Mom case then that's whole different thing, Roger wasn't in a position to protect his frends he came only for ponegliph.
Yes, becoming the pairet king requires more than strength but the biggest requirement for becoming the Pairet king is strength, whiteout it you are nathing, especially if you don't have the strength to protect your frends and back up your words.
It's no coincidence that Roger and Whitbeard were the two most strongest characters in their era. Roger became the pirate king only after defeating Rocks just like Luffy will become the pirate king after defeating Blackbeard, thinking that pirate king title is not about strength is stupid.
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It has to Do with solo or team fights
Luffy always win by having a stronger punch or attack against Main finale,
When someone is clearly above him, Luffy doesn't win like that but with willpower : vs Kata and same thing will happen vs Kaido
Kata threw away Awakening and Mogura in final round, to have Luffy match and get his pseudo W
Kaido will throw away his Club and hybrid in final round vs Luffy too.
There's no logical way Oda makes Luffy beat kaido 1 v 1 unless theres outside force and kaido fights only with his fists no Hybird, no club.
And Lol at Oden mid diffing Kaido.
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Luffy always win by having a stronger punch or attack against Main finale,
When someone is clearly above him, Luffy doesn't win like that but with willpower : vs Kata and same thing will happen vs Kaido
Kata threw away Awakening and Mogura in final round, to have Luffy match and get his pseudo W
Kaido will throw away his Club and hybrid in final round vs Luffy too.
There's no logical way Oda makes Luffy beat kaido 1 v 1 unless theres outside force and kaido fights only with his fists no Hybird, no club.
And Lol at Oden mid diffing Kaido.
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Oh, did he defeat Rocks alone? 
Your argument works against you. It's about strength, but not strength alone. No one can dominate the world alone without any help. And the whole story is about friendship anyways.
Your argument works against you. It's about strength, but not strength alone. No one can dominate the world alone without any help. And the whole story is about friendship anyways.
It was the enemy that outnumbered Roger
I literally said the same thing! Luffy already relied on Jinbe, Fishman pirates and Pedro's sacrifice on WCI arc, now he needs to prove his personal worth like he did it against Rob Lucci.
I fucking literally said that
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It was about haki, Luffy will not punch Kaido at the end but will use haki thecnique.
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Other than the strawhats we got
- The scabbards
- The samurai
- Mink
- The heart pirates
- Kid pirates
- Yamato
- Marco and izo
- Potentially drake, hawkins, and other characters
I respectfully disagree
Luffy already knows he needs help, that's the point of the arlong scene, but his PART of the job is beating the boss, so the lesson is already engraved whithin Luffy from get go!
Secondly, the purpose of ID and Marineford is making them train and get stronger in preparation for New World opponent, that's what the real goal was, and not to spend 2 years training for them to end up with the solution of "having allies" to reach the top! Why even train Lol
As for Luffy beating WSC this soon....
This soon???
This soon????
I repeat, this sooon?????
Luffy is about to get his 3rd road poneglyph for god's sake, and story started to wrap up and you guys want him to gang with 10 other supernova to beat a Yonko?
What kind of sense are you all making here!?
And suddenly you want him next arc, to beat BM or BB solo... somehow!? Like, what?
I think that's more bullshit that actually Oda exposing a weakness for Kaido and making Luffy close the gap through the Ryuu training
Also, I will repeat the point I made for 1000s of times
Kaido's statement of 1 vs 1 is a (betting gamble) they said "bet on Kaido" not "Kaido is 100% victor"
Which is why Kaido lost before, so he can lose to weaker opponent given the right context!
Lastly, Luffy overcoming Kaido doesn't mean he will not face HARDER opponents...
Most of us already agrees that Blackbeard will surpass all Yonko when he faces Luffy (including Kaido)
And then we also got Imu sama!
So it's not soon with all respect... unless you all want to die before this series ends, which is different story
Luffy already knows he needs help, that's the point of the arlong scene, but his PART of the job is beating the boss, so the lesson is already engraved whithin Luffy from get go!
Secondly, the purpose of ID and Marineford is making them train and get stronger in preparation for New World opponent, that's what the real goal was, and not to spend 2 years training for them to end up with the solution of "having allies" to reach the top! Why even train Lol
As for Luffy beating WSC this soon....
This soon???
This soon????
I repeat, this sooon?????
Luffy is about to get his 3rd road poneglyph for god's sake, and story started to wrap up and you guys want him to gang with 10 other supernova to beat a Yonko?
What kind of sense are you all making here!?
And suddenly you want him next arc, to beat BM or BB solo... somehow!? Like, what?
I think that's more bullshit that actually Oda exposing a weakness for Kaido and making Luffy close the gap through the Ryuu training
Also, I will repeat the point I made for 1000s of times
Kaido's statement of 1 vs 1 is a (betting gamble) they said "bet on Kaido" not "Kaido is 100% victor"
Which is why Kaido lost before, so he can lose to weaker opponent given the right context!
Lastly, Luffy overcoming Kaido doesn't mean he will not face HARDER opponents...
Most of us already agrees that Blackbeard will surpass all Yonko when he faces Luffy (including Kaido)
And then we also got Imu sama!
So it's not soon with all respect... unless you all want to die before this series ends, which is different story
Ever since the timeskip oda has put a really big emphasis on allies for better or worse
Tho i do still believe once the alliance ends the strawhats will at the very least solo 2 yonko post wano.
Allies are important but the strawhats will definitely surpass the yonko and roger by themselves but not just yet
Don't change the fact the beast pirates alone are still too much for the strawhats
Tho i do still believe once the alliance ends the strawhats will at the very least solo 2 yonko post wano.
Allies are important but the strawhats will definitely surpass the yonko and roger by themselves but not just yet
Don't change the fact the beast pirates alone are still too much for the strawhats