General & Others Luffy is LOSING what makes him special with the whole alliance crap

Sadistic Senpai · Jul 12, 2020

I'm not underestimating the alliance nor the enemies

I'm saying that we have THREE Major opponents:
- Beast Pirates led by Kaido (consisting of 3 commanders, 6 veterans close to commanders/ hundreds of smile headliners and gifters)

- Half of Big Mom crew led by Big Mom (consisting of a commander, and 2 veterans and many ministers)

- Orochi and his squad of Oniwabanshu/Mimawarigumi

If you actually believe our STRONG individual from alliance will fight Kaido and leave all those other strong people from enemy... I think you all are fooling yourselves!

The enemy outnumber us 1-5 not only in number, but the quality of the opponents, they have MORE than us!

They have:

- Two Freakin' Yonko
- 4 Commanders (900 mil and above)
- 8 veterans (6 tobi Roppo and 2 from big Mom)

- Headliners/Gifters (hundreds) and Many ministers that have bounties exceeding 100 mil

- and then, we are still not counting Oniwabanshu leader (fukurokuji) and Mimawarigumi leader who both can be as good as a scabbard, and Kanjuro is an official scabbard on enemy side too

And we don't know if Orochi Oda is planning big plot twist regarding his strength considering he's only mythical zoan with Kaido

On our side???
Only two confirmed Top Yonko commander level (Luffy/Marco)

Rest are all below those two as of now!
Based on showings!

Master OF Haki · Jul 12, 2020

Albino 👑 said:

If he needs to defeat Blackbeard later no, also you don't know how strong Luffy will become in this arc and you simply hate the fact that Luffy one day will take down a Yonko in 1v1.

Albino 👑 · Jul 12, 2020

Sadistic Senpai said:

And the allegations was still created to only deal with kaido and orochis forces

The only unexpected allies on our side are
Kid, jinbe, and more samurai than expected

While linlin joined forces with kaido
That doesn't even it out. We don't even 100% know linlins role this arc

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Master OF Haki said:

I have no problem with luffy eventually beating a yonko lol

Still dont change the fact law kid and Marco fighting a weaker yonko while luffy solos the other still kinda ass

Master OF Haki · Jul 12, 2020

Albino 👑 said:

What's that even mean? Oda didn't brought her here to make Wano second WCI.

Sadistic Senpai · Jul 12, 2020

Jo_Ndule said:

I'm not sure who's tripping here LMAO
so, you're telling me that "you don't want Luffy to beat kaido by himself now" because it takes away from "Luffy vs Teach" even if Teach surpassed Kaido and was above him, because you will know who will be the winner????

LMAO, yet, the winner is obvious regardless if Luffy beat kaido by himself or not.... hahahahahahaha!
This is so paradoxical hahahaha

I wholeheartedly disagree with you... I think the fact that Luffy will have to face an opponent NOT ONLY STRONGER than Kaido.... but also, Luffy for the FIRST FIGHT IN HIS LIFE.... will be STRIPPED AWAY from MOST of his powers which comes from his DF... I believe you guys do not comprehend the level of threat and danger that will be on Luffy

Again, when was the last time Luffy did something useful in "Gear 3rd?"

So no my friend... Teach is unlike any other opponent cause he can strip from Luffy most of his power which comes from his DF... AND you can top it off that he's Yonko+ level opponent... so facing Kaido is KIDS GAME compared to that for Luffy who relies heavily on his DF...

If anything, I say it's BULLSHIT WRITING to make Luffy jump from ganging up on Yonko, into soloing not just a Yonko, rather Blackbeard of ALL yonko, cause for Luffy, BB is WORSE opponent than Kaido or Big Mom, as a DF user

Esc · Jul 12, 2020

Albino 👑 said:

That's exactly the problem, though. If you reread the series from beginning until Sabaody the series was extremely focused on the straw hats and their growth, post-timeskip it feels like another series.
To be clear first, I'm not against relevant side characters getting stuff to do. You do need some variety in a 90+ volumes series but when was the last time the crew as a whole actually gave an impression of power? In Punk Hazard, Law defeated the strongest guy, In Dressrosa allies had a huge role, defeating a big part of the donquixote family while half the crew was absent and three members almost got killed by old lady with art power. In WCI, half the crew was absent again and only Luffy had a huge fight. Others did some cool stuff but overall defeated nobody noteworthy. Hell Pedro has to blow himself up to save them. So we need to go back to... fishman island? Island that isn't even located to the new world and was more of an appetizer. And that was almost 10 years ago in real time.
Straw hats doing everything alone might be ass, but throwing away decade of growth by having over half the crew fighting fodders with no weight in the story while allies are fighting big boys in the long-awaited Wano battle like some readers are suggesting shit on the whole pre-timeskip and 2 years training in term of narrative. It isn't about powerlevel.

Sadistic Senpai · Jul 12, 2020

Albino 👑 said:

LMAO, so you all are counting on Big Mom turning and weakening Kaido hahahahaha, I can't believe you guys!

Albino 👑 · Jul 12, 2020

Esc said:

That's exactly the problem, though. If you reread the series from beginning until Sabaody the series was extremely focused on the straw hats and their growth, post-timeskip it feels like another series.
To be clear first, I'm not against relevant side characters getting stuff to do. You do need some variety in a 90+ volumes series but when was the last time the crew as a whole actually gave an impression of power? In Punk Hazard, Law defeated the strongest guy, In Dressrosa allies had a huge role, defeating a big part of the donquixote family while half the crew was absent and three members almost got killed by old lady with art power. In WCI, half the crew was absent again and only Luffy had a huge fight. Others did some cool stuff but overall defeated nobody noteworthy. Hell Pedro has to blow himself up to save them. So we need to go back to... fishman island? Island that isn't even located to the new world and was more of an appetizer. And that was almost 10 years ago in real time.
Straw hats doing everything alone might be ass, but throwing away decade of growth by having over half the crew fighting fodders with no weight in the story while allies are fighting big boys in the long-awaited Wano battle like some readers are suggesting shit on the whole pre-timeskip and 2 years training in term of narrative. It isn't about powerlevel.

Once wano ends along with the alliance itll likely be more strawhat focused imo
Well at least hopefully

Sadistic Senpai said:

No...
Like I said idk what oda is tryna do with linlin this arc

Just a member · Jul 12, 2020

Imo with Kaido we will have a phase 1 which will be mainly for fanservice with Luffy, Kidd and Law vs Kaido but then Kaido becomes serious, Law and Kidd are defeated and Luffy has to gain the victory alone. Nonetheless Law and Kidd will for sure do some damage but the majority and final blow will from Luffy (like it happened vs Doffy, Oars/Moria, Cracker etc.)

Dark Hound · Jul 12, 2020

Sadistic Senpai said:

You guys use Oda's statement for you own agenda
in the same breathe... oda said "Luffy will have to find a solution for Kaido" and not "Luffy will have to find teammates for Kaido" LMAO

Luffy's punch was strong is surely what oda doesn't want to do... but it can simply mean SO MANY things than just having bunch of allies... it can mean he needs to learn specific techniques that is NOT RAW POWER related....
It can mean he needs to learn to use ELEMENTAL attacks
It can mean Luffy needs to find weakness in kaido's defenses and use it for his advanatge

So, you guys ditched all those fucking possibilities and just assumed, and concluded that Oda just means he needs bunch of allies... when oda himself concluded that "Luffy and I will need to find a solution really soon"

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Always bet on Kaido does not mean 100% victorious
a bet is a gamble
Kaido simply has HIGHER chance of winning, but he can LOSE in solo too... even while being stronger... thus the 7 losses...and thus why Oden was beating his ass

You guys say "Luffy defeating him would make no sense cause it would negate the 1 vs 1 bet on Kaido" when IT IS NOT... specially since Oden was gonna win 1 vs 1 against him before... and specially since BETS ARE GAMBLES... it's not a FACTUAL statement that he nevr loses 1 vs 1

It's simply again, a GAMBLE of betting.. possibility of lesser percentage winning is probable

In that giant wall of text you’ve said nothing substantial. Congrats

WesMidnight · Jul 12, 2020

Dark Hound said:

And you've said nothing at all.
Using Oda's words out of context is intellectually dishonest and the reasons are clearly stated in his post.

Sadistic Senpai · Jul 12, 2020

Dark Hound said:

Well, not my fault if you didn't take anything from it

And to top it off, to waste your time in replying about it

Which shows some contradictory attitude, cause if the statement wasn't pressing on a nerve, you wouldn't bother replying

So congrats in making a fool out of yourself sir

Xione · Jul 12, 2020

Sadistic Senpai said:

You're leaving out the big boy Samurai out of the equation. Ashura was fighting against King, while Oden was fighting against Kaido. So Ashura is likely as strong as King right now. Denjiro could potentially be even stronger, if Oda wants to go the Oden Jr. route with him, since he's focused so much on his connection towards Oden.

With that said though, you're right, the numbers are overwhelming.

I think the saving grace for the alliance will be a Marine intervention. Can't have the captain of the SWORD special forces there at Wano, and not have him bring in the Marines, especially to a war that's supposed to make make Marineford look cute in comparison. With that you could potentially get younger marines like Smoker/Tashigi/Sentomaru/Drake joining the fight against the 2 emperors.

Issue with Luffy taking down Kaido is there is another individual at Wano with bigger beef with Kaido, Kidd. Then we have Luffy's own crewmate who can have an argument made for him for taking out Kaido. On top of that, out of the 2 emperors, the one Luffy has a bigger beef with isn't even Kaido, but Big Mom. It'd make more sense for Luffy to take out Big Mom than Kaido.

Esc · Jul 12, 2020

Xione said:

You're leaving out the big boy Samurai out of the equation. Ashura was fighting against King, while Oden was fighting against Kaido. So Ashura is likely as strong as King right now. Denjiro could potentially be even stronger, if Oda wants to go the Oden Jr. route with him, since he's focused so much on his connection towards Oden.

With that said though, you're right, the numbers are overwhelming.

I think the saving grace for the alliance will be a Marine intervention. Can't have the captain of the SWORD special forces there at Wano, and not have him bring in the Marines, especially to a war that's supposed to make make Marineford look cute in comparison. With that you could potentially get younger marines like Smoker/Tashigi/Sentomaru/Drake joining the fight against the 2 emperors.

Issue with Luffy taking down Kaido is there is another individual at Wano with bigger beef with Kaido, Kidd. Then we have Luffy's own crewmate who can have an argument made for him for taking out Kaido. On top of that, out of the 2 emperors, the one Luffy has a bigger beef with isn't even Kaido, but Big Mom. It'd make more sense for Luffy to take out Big Mom than Kaido.

Luffy promised Momonosuke back in Zou that he'll take down Kaido and spend his 30 chapters long stay in Udon prison training to be able to beat Kaido, I fail to see how it would make more sense.

Worst · Jul 12, 2020

Too early for Luffy to LEGIT 1v1 a Yonko, especially Kaido, and it's not a PL obsession (even if it's super clear that Kaido can still destroy Luffy easily)
it's just the context, Luffy had the round 1 he got one shotted, like u said he recovered and got stronger but round 1 was set in a way that it could give Luffy the chance to get stronger,round 2 it's different
First he sure got stronger but Kaido was not even full power and there is a significant difference between a base and an hybrid Zoan user while it's strue that Luffy can now do some damage to Kaido it's still true that if Luffy take 1/2 hits from Full Power Hybrid Angry Kaido, he's on the ground and in round 2 he won't have time to go back and comeback stronger if he makes one mistake now it's the end, that's why he will do the only thing he can do turn people into his allies and take Kaido down with their help....he will sur ebe the one to actually take him down but from that to actually 1v1ing him.....it's too early man just live with it

Warchief Sanji D Goat · Jul 12, 2020

As I said before, the only characters that will get their 1v1 fights in this arc is Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei. Everybody else will get tag team fights :kayneshrug:

And I don't expect Luffy to grow tremendously from getting one shotted by Kaido to 1v1 Kaido since we're know that Luffy is very strong in his own right :myman:

But I expect Luffy to get some help from Kid, Law, Marco or somebody else against Kaido and Luffy will be the one that finish Kaido off :funky:

That's how I see it :cheers:

uyuu · Jul 12, 2020

Natalija said:

Roger was one of the very strongest. The strongest man in the world was the only one who could match him in battle. That's how strong Luffy must get to be able to pull off something like in best arcs of OP, Arlong Park-Arabasta-Water7Enies Lobby.

His job is to defeat the strongest enemy which no one else can do, and by that kind of strength, he can beat every Yonkou when he absolutely needs to (Luffy's statement to Law), surpass all Conqueror (Chinjao's statement), because if he cant do that he cant be Pirate King (Luffy's reply to Chinjao), and by that he gains most freedom (Luffy's statement) to protect his friends.

While His friends' job is to help him in their respective strength, to beat swordsmen which may exploit Luffy's weakness, to strategize while its not Luffy's thing to do , and to beat other guys.

And by that combination, they will protect everything.

Getting helped without being this strong himself is useless as PK. Its babysitting. Strong team needs the strongest leader individually. Luffy needs this strength or else it wouldnt be realistic for him to face BB-Akainu-Gorosei-Imu later. It would need even more and grander asspulls.

Luffy had help for who knows how much previous arcs. Time for Luffy to individually shine is the time when its matters the most, WSC. Luffy being strong enough to beat WSC in combat doesnt hinder the role of other team members.

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I dont mean to predict that Luffy will beat Kaidou 1 vs 1 at all rounds anyway, since it is war. Kaidou will fight many people for who knows how many rounds, but Luffy should get the fight alone in the final rounds, where Kaidou has revealed his final mode, which displays power no one other than Luffy can match equally.

Natalija · Jul 12, 2020

uyuu said:

Obviously I don't mean he won't be one of the strongest, but for people to believe that he will have to do everything by himself is ridiculous. There were characters not even Roger could beat, so no one is above all others that much.

Of course he'll do the final blow on Kaido as the main character, but I don't see it as him doing it alone the whole way. Then Luffy would seem too powerful out of the blue, and if he is strong enough to defeat Kaido solo, then... Well there's not many challenges for him left then, which is unacceptable in a story for a main character. It will be probably something similar to how the Young Master was handled - with a lot of help effort.

Bahahaha of course he's the strongest in his team, no one claimed differently?

Ravagerblade · Jul 12, 2020

I literally hate that speech with Arlong, Power and strength is perfectly fine. So is having good friends being there when you need it. But not at the expense of having them fight part of your battles for you. Sorry but that don't fly with me. Trash.
Pirate King must be above or what's the fucking point. It just delves into "Nakama" Friendship Power that Fairy Tail used much to often for the worse. It's my biggest pet peeve; Luffy's greatest ability is getting people on his side, Feels hollow and cheap. So being a social butterfly(in essence) is the best ability in the world? What a message to say to those who can't/don't make friends or are anti-social homebodies. F you to Oda.

Fujishiro · Jul 12, 2020

Sadistic Senpai said:

Of course we won’t understand your pov, and don’t call us powerscaling obsessed. It’s very reductory.

The fact is that at the beginning of this arc, a few days ago, luffy got overpower physically to an extreme degree, which has never happened before. Lucci was a close one but he didn’t one shot luffy and luffy could perceive him speed wise plus he was forced into hybrid and was still hurt by luffy.

This is on oda, he made luffy lose in such an outrageous way. Ofc people will feel that luffy cannot duel the same guy that trashed him casually as an equal a few days later.

I want not only luffy but kidd/law/zoro to make the leap into the new gen leaders/rising top tiers. That can’t happen if luffy fairy tails his way into soloing kaido.

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Ravagerblade said:

Roger never beat a single top tier ever, he has rivals/equals, so no pk must not be above mate. Pk is the one who finds raffle and that’s it.

General & Others Luffy is LOSING what makes him special with the whole alliance crap

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