Chapter Discussion Luffy Stopping Hakai?

[Orojackson Refugee]

luffy can't do that. We just saw that in this chapter. Luffy used his FS to know hakai is incoming and yet he couldn't do anything to it. Zoro just saved luffy once again there.

 

[HA001]

Tbf, Luffy hadnt fully mastered the barrier at that point. Who knows how powerful it is post Udon. We can only wait an see once Luffy uses it again.

Hyo and Ray could manifest a full barrier and atleast repel, Luffy straight up failed at it vs Big Mom

its not just about executing it though

it has to withstand the force of the hakai

im sure hyou would have no issue with a barrier but his ass is getting sent flying

 

[ZenZu]

Nope not gonna gift Luffy that feat.

Something to note. On Dressrossa Zoro just witnessed Luffy being blasted away with Raging Tiger, and he wasn't the least bit concerned about the attack, he was ecstatic to sub in for Luffy who couldn't stay on his feat against it. He looked confident in being able to deal with it.

 

[SinOfGreed]

Luffy dies

 

[Marimo_420]

No one is denying Zoro stopped the attack for 1 second‚ but that is it ‚ 1 second which most propably any top tier could have done then die anyway if Law didn't intervene. I am not sure what is impressive about blocking an attack for a second which was going to kill him if Law wasn't there

It wasn't for "just a second".

He blocked and stalemated the attack for more than just a 'second', which shocked both the yonkos and the WG, gave a whole ass speech to the others to get out of the way, and then changed the trajectory of the attack after.

How is taking on a combined attack of 2 serious top tiers not impressive?

 

[HA001]

Nope not gonna gift Luffy that feat.

Something to note. On Dressrossa Zoro just witnessed Luffy being blasted away with Raging Tiger, and he wasn't the least bit concerned about the attack, he was ecstatic to sub in for Luffy who couldn't stay on his feat against it. He looked confident in being able to deal with it.

we are all in agreement zoro is using barrier here right ?
as the attack is clearly being held back

 

[SinOfGreed]

No one is denying Zoro stopped the attack for 1 second‚ but that is it ‚ 1 second which most propably any top tier could have done then die anyway if Law didn't intervene. I am not sure what is impressive about blocking an attack for a second which was going to kill him if Law wasn't there

Surely you ain't serious? You do realise without Zoro blocking that combo attack from 2 Yonko, THE FIGHT WOULD BE FINISHED

 

[Zowo]

he ran away from ikoku of big mom he def cant block hakai

 

[Geo]

Tbf, Luffy hadnt fully mastered the barrier at that point. Who knows how powerful it is post Udon. We can only wait an see once Luffy uses it again.

Hyo and Ray could manifest a full barrier and atleast repel, Luffy straight up failed at it vs Big Mom

That is also possible.
It is important to note that Hyo's barrier wasn't able to stop the attack from sending him flying. So it still comes down to how strong it stand it's ground.
In Zoro's case, it is highly likely he used barrier haki, because the attack didn't spill past him

 

[Rukusho]

Luffy isn't standing up to this.

He's been slapped by far less attacks let alone an attack from 2 Yonko.

Endurance + Defence is Zoro's fortay this is one category Luffy and Zoro don't compare in, there's other stats that they're equal in or Luffy supersedes.

 

[HA001]

That is also possible.
It is important to note that Hyo's barrier wasn't able to stop the attack from sending him flying. So it still comes down to how strong it stand it's ground.
In Zoro's case, it is highly likely he used barrier haki, because the attack didn't spill past him

rip to the only enma lets him use ryou guys

which begs the question wtf is the fire on enma

 

[Geo]

rip to the only enma lets him use ryou guys

which begs the question wtf is the fire on enma

We will have to wait for an explanation on that. I viewed it as Kaido being the only one to see that "fire" because it represents Oden's Aura/presence. Because nobody mentioned it besides Kaido

 

[HA001]

We will have to wait for an explanation on that. I viewed it as Kaido being the only one to see that "fire" because it represents Oden's Aura/presence. Because nobody mentioned it besides Kaido

thats a good as guess as any

my only other half thought was maybe like with red roc having fire its a sign enma is doing internal ryou

but then oden never had this fire on his blades

 

[Roronoa-sama]

if luffy had can do the same than zoro he would help him so no he couldn't indeed he losed

 

[style]

The spoilers said one second -.-

First of all it's not just "1 second" strictly speaking.
What Kidd really said is "for a moment".

*Kidd says: 一瞬でも = Even if for a moment.
If he had said "second" then the Kanji would be 秒 instead of 瞬

So Kidd talks about a moment.

So it's not 1 second literally.
It was just an expression, pretty much like when someone say "give me just one second".
Does that means that he's literally asking for just another 1 second?
No, clearly that's not the case. Here's the same.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

With the power of plot, Luffy can do ANYTHING but it would be hugely inconsistant if he did it in base when he was shown to struggle against the likes of Ulti or Cracker's CoA
Zoro is indeed the only one capable of doing what he did on the roof.

 

[humanbeing]

well it depends just of what Oda wants if he wanted he could defend himself at least against it using barrier haki. he saw the Future he might be even able to avoid it if Oda wanted. Oda just wanted to give Zoro and to take him down for some chapters. Luffy will continue the fight along the others , but they will go down as well then Zoro and Luffy will go against Kaido together.
I think Kaido's direct attack is more serious if it hit anyone of them, but Oda is gonna let Luffy have the fate of surviving it without much of damage thanks to his superior haki (Ryuo).

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Yeah, Zoro did it, so everyone and their mother can stop hakai now

 

[Geo]

thats a good as guess as any

my only other half thought was maybe like with red roc having fire its a sign enma is doing internal ryou

but then oden never had this fire on his blades

Well yeah Oden's never had the fire stuff so if it is internal Ryou indication, then it would mean Oden didn't have it but Zoro got it

 

[Finalbeta]

He can't do that in all likelihood.

Remember that Boro Breath left his face covered in blood, the gap between Boundman and Tankman is quite probably inferior than the one between Boro Breath and Hakai.