Current Events Luffy vs Kaido is a major asspull

Are you okay with how the Luffy vs Kaido fight is playing out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 72 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 72 50.0%

  • Total voters
    144

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
It was an asspull even when it was introduced Pre Timeskip lol, though i guess it doesn't classify as one anymore now that Oda revealed what it was.

Define alot of people? Wasnt much but a minority that retorted against Zoro blocking Hakai and the minority wasnt taken seriously.

But neither of this is the point lol. Luffy matching hybrid Kaido in base isn't an asspull. If Luffy didnt go through all that training mastering Haki, then I would agree.
The problem isn't what luffys doing. The problem is the fact kaido is using it too yet they are still clashing equally.
 
The only a few can fight me is a separate statement
The statements is mutually related. Just like this debate:

He never compares luffy to any of them. He wonders how strong he will be in the future.
If Kaido didn't compare Luffy to any of them then why is the panel is there? Man, if Kaido was putting Zoro on the same line as Roger, WB, Xebec, Shanks and Oden than y'all would have said that Zoro is as strong as them Lmao.

Excuses. Luffy having acoc as well shouldn't bridge the gap completely especially with the vast difference between hybrid kaido and base luffy.
Again.


Kaido was already putting Luffy on the same level as Kaido before Adv CoC. Only a handful of people can use Adv CoC which indicates Luffy is a top tier and on par with Kaido.
 
I understand that he's using Conqueror's Haki but how is he facing Kaido 1v1 so easily? This is what I hate most about shonen. Asspulls. And yes I know he's the main character but it's still annoying. I feel like Kaido doesn't feel as intimidating anymore if Luffy can just do this in his base form. If he was in his Snakeman form wrapped in Conqueror's Haki that's one thing, but base form and going toe to toe with a Yonko? I don't like that at all. This would essentially mean he's already PK level right? If he's doing this in base, then Boundman or Snakeman wrapped in COC would hypothetically be unbeatable.

Thoughts?
I agree
It's an asspull from Kaido though
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
The statements is mutually related. Just like this debate:


If Kaido didn't compare Luffy to any of them then why is the panel is there? Man, if Kaido was putting Zoro on the same line as Roger, WB, Xebec, Shanks and Oden than y'all would have said that Zoro is as strong as them Lmao.


Again.


Kaido was already putting Luffy on the same level as Kaido before Adv CoC. Only a handful of people can use Adv CoC which indicates Luffy is a top tier and on par with Kaido.
Don't quote me with this shit.


They are separate statements.
If you could read you'd see 3 separate statements from kaido.

What happened to him after I beat him in kuri ?

There's only a few people who can fight me

How high will his ceiling go ?

At no point does he compare luffy to any of them.
He just wonders how strong luffy can get after how quick he grew since kuri.

Lmfao no he didnt fucking put luffy on his level

He kod pre acoc luffy in 2 hits
 
It was an asspull even when it was introduced Pre Timeskip lol, though i guess it doesn't classify as one anymore now that Oda revealed what it was.
And luffy second and third gear in Ennies lobby wasn't if you are using that logic everything is an asspull
Define alot of people? Wasnt much but a minority that retorted against Zoro blocking Hakai and the minority wasnt taken all that seriously.
There were still more people downplaying Hakai than Lufyy lmao this place is ghost town now
But neither of this is the point. Luffy matching hybrid Kaido in base isn't an asspull. If Luffy didnt go through all that training mastering Haki, then I would agree.
I never said anything about asspull i was just responding to your comment jumping on Zoro instead of addressing the points brought up in the thread
 
They are separate statements.
If you could read you'd see 3 separate statements from kaido.
Separate statements that goes along with each others. For example, if I said, "Hey, look at that guy, he's the former Champion of MMA."

Then, "I wonder how strong is that guy compare to the old legends?"

And, "If he have train more or didn't retired so early, he would have surpass the old legends."

It's literally talking about the same person and comparison with the others.
What happened to him after I beat him in kuri ?

There's only a few people who can fight me

How high will his ceiling go ?
> The first statement talks about how did Luffy get stronger all of sudden.

> The second statement talks about only a group of people that can fight him which focus on Luffy.

> The third statement talks about how much would Luffy goes as a fighter and then the shadows of the 5 legends fall upon Luffy which Kaido acknowledged him.
At no point does he compare luffy to any of them.
How so?

Luffy was there.
He just wonders how strong luffy can get after how quick he grew since kuri.
Agreed.
Lmfao no he didnt fucking put luffy on his level
Again, Kaido said there are only a few that can fight him and Luffy got the main focus.
He kod pre acoc luffy in 2 hits
Luffy was bound to lose. Luffy loses against Crocodile two times and Luffy loses against Kaido two times and Luffy's gonna beat him now.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Separate statements that goes along with each others. For example, if I said, "Hey, look at that guy, he's the former Champion of MMA."

Then, "I wonder how strong is that guy compare to the old legends?"

And, "If he have train more or didn't retired so early, he would have surpass the old legends."

It's literally talking about the same person and comparison with the others.

> The first statement talks about how did Luffy get stronger all of sudden.

> The second statement talks about only a group of people that can fight him which focus on Luffy.

> The third statement talks about how much would Luffy goes as a fighter and then the shadows of the 5 legends fall upon Luffy which Kaido acknowledged him.

How so?

Luffy was there.

Agreed.

Again, Kaido said there are only a few that can fight him and Luffy got the main focus.

Luffy was bound to lose. Luffy loses against Crocodile two times and Luffy loses against Kaido two times and Luffy's gonna beat him now.
Wtf are you even talking about.

How does kaido koing luffy in 2 attacks show luffy is on kaidos level able to fight him like those 5 ?
If not for others luffy would be dead.
 
The rooftop fight has been a disgrace since the beginning.
Kaido fought with his slowest form two times in a row against the scabbards and the supernova for no reason, the Big Mom flied above their head throwing lightning, then Kaido uses his hybrid just to look less threatening than his human form and at last, after everyone hurt him (even a veteran level character like Killer), Luffy learnt to use CoC offensively and is fighting more or less on par with hybrid Kaido.

It just doesn't make any sense, we have to accept it, hope most of it is offpanelled and pray to see the strawhats fight.
 
How does kaido koing luffy in 2 attacks show luffy is on kaidos level able to fight him like those 5 ?
Adv CoC.
If not for others luffy would be dead.
You don't know that. If Zoro didn't save Luffy from falling into Kaido's mouth, Law would save him. If Zoro didn't blocked Hakai, Law would have teleport them out of the way but barely. If anything, it's actually easier for Luffy to get into Kaido's mouth and pummel him from the inside.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Adv CoC.

You don't know that. If Zoro didn't save Luffy from falling into Kaido's mouth, Law would save him. If Zoro didn't blocked Hakai, Law would have teleport them out of the way but barely. If anything, it's actually easier for Luffy to get into Kaido's mouth and pummel him from the inside.
Wtf are you even saying.

You're proving yourself wrong.
Without acoc
Luffy doesn't last 2 seconds in a straight 1 vs 1 against kaido
He gets kod and then gets his skull caved in.
So explain why the fuck kaido would say at the start of the fight he's his level ?
Would kaido beat himself as easily as he did to luffy in a straight 1 vs 1
Or would he beat any of those 5 in a straight 1 vs 1 that easy ?
 
Wtf are you even saying.

You're proving yourself wrong.
Without acoc
Luffy doesn't last 2 seconds in a straight 1 vs 1 against kaido
He gets kod and then gets his skull caved in.
So explain why the fuck kaido would say at the start of the fight he's his level ?
Would kaido beat himself as easily as he did to luffy in a straight 1 vs 1
Or would he beat any of those 5 in a straight 1 vs 1 that easy ?
Why do you base you're argument into something that hasn't actually happened?
It's subjective.
That's the issue.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
You can't keep Luffy down. So that means nothing. He's never been actually K.O. and down for the count. That's the difference.
and calling me a window licker, isn't going to do you any favors.
Luffy isn't dead because of 2 reasons

The first time he got kod he didn't die because kaido didn't want to kill him and sent him to udon. If kaido wanted to kill him there would be nothing luffy could do.

The second time as luffy himself acknowledged by thanking them for it
Is because zoro and law stepped in when kaido was gonna cave his skull in.

In a 1 vs 1 with no help if kaido wanted to kill luffy, he's dead.
 
Luffy isn't dead because of 2 reasons window licker.

The first time he got kod he didn't die because kaido didn't want to kill him and sent him to udon. If kaido wanted to kill him there would be nothing luffy could do.

The second time as luffy himself acknowledged by thanking them for it
Is because zoro and law stepped in when kaido was gonna cave his skull in.

In a 1 vs 1 with no help if kaido wanted to kill luffy, he's dead.
One. Stop arguing for something that doesn't even matter anymore. Kaidou wanted to break Luffy and add him to his crew. Didn't work. Boo hoo.

You're 2nd point, Doesn't mean much either. Dumb argument.

If you want to go that route about 1v1's. Zoro would be dead. Law would be Dead. Killer would be dead. Kidd would be dead.
Next.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
One. Stop arguing for something that doesn't even matter anymore. Kaidou wanted to break Luffy and add him to his crew. Didn't work. Boo hoo.

You're 2nd point, Doesn't mean much either. Dumb argument.

If you want to go that route about 1v1's. Zoro would be dead. Law would be Dead. Killer would be dead. Kidd would be dead.
Next.
Well done lthat's the fucking point.
None of the 5 are kaido level
 
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