If you're favorite character is no longer on the roof you will complain, stop pretending like you're arguing because of asspulls, you hate the fact Luffy is looking ridiculously better than every other character in Wano. Yes this is an asspull to the highest degree but so are the other 4 supernovas without a gear 4th, futures sight, advanced armament, advanced king and experience against extremely powerful opponents coupled with extensive training surviving a Kaido that is capable (in his base form mind you) of moving so fast that future sight is almost rendered useless.....oh and by the way............BIG MOM IS THERE TOO, stop acting like you care about consistency. There are people who have been genuinely addressing these issues while you were fanboying over you favorite character bullshitting their way against two of the most powerful characters in the story now sit down and watch the protagonist be the protagonist.
Current Events Luffy vs Kaido is a major asspull
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There is no such thing as adCoC (atleast not yet).....he is just using the same thing he used unconsciously to save Hyogoro in Udon prison....we call it as "penetration haki"...
and Luffy is not physically overpowering hybrid Kaido...he is just clashing equally with Kaido CoC...it is not as if Luffy willpower or Kaido willpower increases with gears or forms....there is a reason CoC called kings willpower...regarding Luffy willpower, Kaido and momo even mentioned this....
and Luffy is not physically overpowering hybrid Kaido...he is just clashing equally with Kaido CoC...it is not as if Luffy willpower or Kaido willpower increases with gears or forms....there is a reason CoC called kings willpower...regarding Luffy willpower, Kaido and momo even mentioned this....
Throwing boulders in seastone handcuffs is enough to go toe to toe with the most powerful creature in One Piece? How is that not trash tier build-up? If you were writing OP, could you not imagine up something way better than that? I don't have this petty bias towards characters like most of you here have. I read everything with equal judgment and call what I see.
Or is this the best-case scenario/training in your opinion? You don't have to praise everything and eat up all of the guy's writing like it's all perfect. Some of it is good and some of it is bad.
I don't have any favorite characters. Luffy can look as good as he wants to look as long as it makes sense. The other Supernovas went down after they were attacked, they didn't make these miraculous recoveries. I read OP as a whole, and I'm not pulling for this or that character to get more moments or feats over others. I am a part of no fan club. I just want better writing all around and for stories and plots that have been developing over time to unfold in a manner that makes sense.
Or is this the best-case scenario/training in your opinion? You don't have to praise everything and eat up all of the guy's writing like it's all perfect. Some of it is good and some of it is bad.
I don't have any favorite characters. Luffy can look as good as he wants to look as long as it makes sense. The other Supernovas went down after they were attacked, they didn't make these miraculous recoveries. I read OP as a whole, and I'm not pulling for this or that character to get more moments or feats over others. I am a part of no fan club. I just want better writing all around and for stories and plots that have been developing over time to unfold in a manner that makes sense.
You're conflating like 100 different things. If Kaido lands a clean Thunder Bagua, he still knocks out Luffy, Gear 4 or base. That hasn't changed.
In 923, Luffy clearly wasn't using Future Sight.
It has been stated over and over that Kaido is hurting and is worn down. Not terms of attack, but in terms of HP.
He was dodging a Red Hawk without CoC even prior, because he's taken too much damage.
In 923, Luffy clearly wasn't using Future Sight.
It has been stated over and over that Kaido is hurting and is worn down. Not terms of attack, but in terms of HP.
He was dodging a Red Hawk without CoC even prior, because he's taken too much damage.
Now this quote, "It has been stated over and over that Kaido is hurting and is worn down. Not terms of attack, but in terms of HP. " is yet another lie. I think I understand english and "why are you dodging Kaido, is it because it would hurt" is not the same as "as Kaido is worn down". Hits can still hurt regardless of the person being "worned down" or not.
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When did I ever curse? Like can yall chill out? It's a FICTIONAL story. It isn't real. You guys are acting like as if I insulted your mother or something. Also, I have no idea what you're talking about "Luffy believing Kaido killed his crew".
When you're argument stops with it being part of the story and with my own language, there's an issue.
You don't know what I'm talking about? Remember fucking Boro Breath? Oden's Castle? Come back with you actually know something instead of spouting off bullshit like a little kid who didn't get his way in the candy shop.
You don't know what I'm talking about? Remember fucking Boro Breath? Oden's Castle? Come back with you actually know something instead of spouting off bullshit like a little kid who didn't get his way in the candy shop.
I get what you're saying but I don't think Luffy's COC should even be at the level to clash with Kaido's equally honestly. There has to be levels to it. If there were no levels, then Luffy's COC level during Marineford or during Fishman Island was enough to clash at that time too? It had to advance or grow in potency from that point to reach where we are now.
you quoted me with;
|Huh? It doesn't matter if it were hinted at or not. You can't go from getting one shotted, then hinting a power up and then one week later your base form is able to keep up with hybrid form. It is obviously you with the bias.|
You talking to more than one person in this thread Durr.
Udon and Hyou helped Luffy, You just don't like that it happened and calling it an asspull. Fuck off with that.
|Huh? It doesn't matter if it were hinted at or not. You can't go from getting one shotted, then hinting a power up and then one week later your base form is able to keep up with hybrid form. It is obviously you with the bias.|
You talking to more than one person in this thread Durr.
Udon and Hyou helped Luffy, You just don't like that it happened and calling it an asspull. Fuck off with that.
A whole bunch of bullshit is happening. But Seems to be that a select few only think Luffy does is asspull, When he's the last to be that.
Law couldn't handle Doflamingo, Zoro barely showed any sort of feat and level to be on Top tier level, Neither Kidd nor Killer either.
But everybody complains about Luffy. Y'all some petty pathetic pos.
Law couldn't handle Doflamingo, Zoro barely showed any sort of feat and level to be on Top tier level, Neither Kidd nor Killer either.
But everybody complains about Luffy. Y'all some petty pathetic pos.
It’s an asspull from Kaido for simple reasons:
It was established that you cannot train your Conquerors Haki. And that you only get stronger with it and more effecient with it through your personal growth in the other area (ie... your armament and observation)...
We can clearly see that Luffy applied the same concept of flow from his Ryuu training in order to open the door for Conquerors haki.
Him accessing that area was facilitated by his mastery over Ryuu
and his observation haki is already among the top... meaning Luffy currently already having advanced version of all 3 haki types
thus it’s no surprise for him to imbue his attacks with conquerors haki, cause his growth in haki is through the roof...
kaido on the other hand, showed ZERO signs of observation Haki
Showed Zero sign that he knows Ryuu, in fact he was surprised that Scabbards could hurt him and didn’t know how their haki can do it...
he’s clueless about usage of flow/Ryuu
yet somehow the haki which cannot be trained or elevated unless you elevate the other two, he’s somehow asspulling his way to use Conquerors haki in advanced version
at least Luffy’s power ups are logical and follows the story logic, while Kaido’s powers are just everywhere in every place, when Oda wants him to have an ability, be it regeneration, hard skin, king’s haki or whatever, he just grants it with no consequences.... it’s the embodiment of BULLSHIT... same as Blackbeard breaking rules of One Piece by eating 2 DF just cause it’s hype, with no logic
So yeah, it’s asspull for Kaido not Luffy... and the only reason he gets a pass is because he’s not the MC and because he’s got title of Yonko which is the most wanked title by fans
It was established that you cannot train your Conquerors Haki. And that you only get stronger with it and more effecient with it through your personal growth in the other area (ie... your armament and observation)...
We can clearly see that Luffy applied the same concept of flow from his Ryuu training in order to open the door for Conquerors haki.
Him accessing that area was facilitated by his mastery over Ryuu
and his observation haki is already among the top... meaning Luffy currently already having advanced version of all 3 haki types
thus it’s no surprise for him to imbue his attacks with conquerors haki, cause his growth in haki is through the roof...
kaido on the other hand, showed ZERO signs of observation Haki
Showed Zero sign that he knows Ryuu, in fact he was surprised that Scabbards could hurt him and didn’t know how their haki can do it...
he’s clueless about usage of flow/Ryuu
yet somehow the haki which cannot be trained or elevated unless you elevate the other two, he’s somehow asspulling his way to use Conquerors haki in advanced version
at least Luffy’s power ups are logical and follows the story logic, while Kaido’s powers are just everywhere in every place, when Oda wants him to have an ability, be it regeneration, hard skin, king’s haki or whatever, he just grants it with no consequences.... it’s the embodiment of BULLSHIT... same as Blackbeard breaking rules of One Piece by eating 2 DF just cause it’s hype, with no logic
So yeah, it’s asspull for Kaido not Luffy... and the only reason he gets a pass is because he’s not the MC and because he’s got title of Yonko which is the most wanked title by fans
It wasnt but considering that physical strength of hybrid Kaido paired with a force generated by swinging the club is not pushing Luffy away, it seems that it is indeed nullifying it. It's a mini plot element, magical barriers. We will see if Oda will keep it consistent or not.
It should work both ways, if Luffy goes into G4 his strength should be useless since Kaido is using barriers too.
They need to go toe to toe with them, we are already in the end game of OP, facing the strongest individuals that OP world has to offer.
The storytelling will always make the main cast look like underdogs since they show their best only at the end instead of the whole fight.
Why it isnt stronger than Luffy's is probably because it is willpower, it is equal, I guess...
As I said, if it turns out to be nullifying the physical strength, then gears offer nothing to Luffy.
It is less impressive than it looks like. They went from hitting each other and dealing damage to canceling each out which achieves nothing. It cannot go on like that forever otherwise the fight would never end.
It should work both ways, if Luffy goes into G4 his strength should be useless since Kaido is using barriers too.
They need to go toe to toe with them, we are already in the end game of OP, facing the strongest individuals that OP world has to offer.
The storytelling will always make the main cast look like underdogs since they show their best only at the end instead of the whole fight.
Why it isnt stronger than Luffy's is probably because it is willpower, it is equal, I guess...
As I said, if it turns out to be nullifying the physical strength, then gears offer nothing to Luffy.
It is less impressive than it looks like. They went from hitting each other and dealing damage to canceling each out which achieves nothing. It cannot go on like that forever otherwise the fight would never end.
