Current Events Luffy vs Kaido is a major asspull

[zador]

Oda fucked himself up in the first place. Luffy was barely beating YC after 18 years of serialization and now its time for the big fishes and everyone will have a problem with this.

But fuck that. It's expected.

The only thing I laugh at is that Oda has the audacity to say shit like: "You need to create your MC properly and not make him too strong too fast".




Luffy will probably have his 1 vs 1 moment with Kaido for some time. Kaido will beat him and the end Act 3 I suppose.

I kinda agree with you here, post time-skip Luffy was underwhelming. His only real power-up was G4, since many characters leaned haki without special training [Smoker, Law, etc].

If Luffy leaned Future Sight, Advanced Armament (and maybe Advanced CoC) during TS that wouldn't be a problem

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Shh! Dont even try to justify silliness like that. I understand the necessity for babysitting but this is just ridiculous.
We have the right hand of Blackbeard on deathbed from a weaker fire attack meanwhile Luffy is fresher than ever.

I don't have to justify it. Oda's been doing that for years with building up the concept of Willpower in the story. Not sure how this is new news to you.

 

[nik87]

I don't have to justify it. Oda's been doing that for years with building up the concept of Willpower in the story. Not sure how this is new news to you.

There is no willpower at all and willpower doesnt nullify attacks.
He stood there blind as a bat, was caught off guard by the attack, lmao.
As I said, dont even try. Just acknowledge, Luffy's shenanigans are the best shenanigans. :yasu:

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

There is no willpower at all and willpower doesnt nullify attacks.
He stood there blind as a bat, was caught off guard by the attack, lmao.
As I said, dont even try. Just acknowledge, Luffy's shenanigans are the best shenanigans. :yasu:

Yes, he withstood the attack, and so did Oden. You guys are so salty Luffy can take high end attacks like that, meanwhile Zoro takes an attack for a second, breaks every bone in his body, and almost dies. I get it.... I'd be be upset too if I were you guys.

 

[Skiddo]

No, an asspull is something that comes out of nowhere with no explanation, or a half assed explanation that doesn't make sense sense.

Luffy realized that Kaido was using AdCoC in his attacks after being hit with them. He then took the concept of how to flow your Haki that Hyuogoro taught him, and applied it to CoC. It makes perfect sense.

Yet again you come up with a definition out of nowhere.

An asspull will always be something that comes out of nowhere, after that the author can make whatever explanation he wants to make it seem that it "makes sense".

 

[HA001]

Yes, he withstood the attack, and so did Oden. You guys are so salty Luffy can take high end attacks like that, meanwhile Zoro takes an attack for a second, breaks every bone in his body, and almost dies. I get it.... I'd be be upset too if I were you guys.

Lmfao borobreath a high end attack. Didn't tama and speed tank it too.

Hakai kills luffy.

 

[nik87]

Yes, he withstood the attack, and so did Oden. You guys are so salty Luffy can take high end attacks like that, meanwhile Zoro takes an attack for a second, breaks every bone in his body, and almost dies. I get it.... I'd be be upset too if I were you guys.

Yeah, I am definitely salty but not for the reasons you think, lmao.
You like the babysitting, I simply dont. :yasu:

 

[Skiddo]

An asspull is weak writing but not all weak witting is an asspull, I am not going to search up basic things or you.

No need, do it for yourself next time because you clearly have no idea what it means.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Yet again you come up with a definition out of nowhere.

An asspull will always be something that comes out of nowhere, after that the author can make whatever explanation he wants to make it seem that it "makes sense".

What do you mean out of nowhere? You can read the definition for yourself.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

Lmfao borobreath a high end attack. Didn't tama and speed tank it too.

Hakai kills luffy.

Yeah, it only completely eviscerated the top of a mountain with zero resistance at all. What world are you living in where Mountain busting attacks aren't high end?
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Yeah, I am definitely salty but not for the reasons you think, lmao.
You like the babysitting, I simply dont. :yasu:

Dude you walk around with a Zoro doll, with a pacifier in it's mouth, carrying a diaper bag, and butt wipes. Don't talk to me about babysitting.

 

[Skiddo]

What do you mean out of nowhere? You can read the definition for yourself.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull



Yeah, it only completely eviscerated the top of a mountain with zero resistance at all. What world are you living in where Mountain busting attacks aren't high end?
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Dude you walk around with a Zoro doll, with a pacifier in it's mouth, carrying a diaper bag, and butt wipes. Don't talk to me about babysitting.

Completely different.

"No, an asspull is something that comes out of nowhere with no explanation, or a half assed explanation that doesn't make sense sense." is not "a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development".



There was NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER Luffy can use CoC on his fists. Not only was the clear indication that only the Top Tiers can use the ability like Roger, Whitebeard and Kaido, there was also zero indication Luffy had reached the point that he can use it. Luffy also just learned it the second after he got hit. It was a complete asspull that turned Luffy from getting obliterated and being unable to keep up with Kaido to fighting toe-to-toe.

 

[HA001]

What do you mean out of nowhere? You can read the definition for yourself.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull



Yeah, it only completely eviscerated the top of a mountain with zero resistance at all. What world are you living in where Mountain busting attacks aren't high end?
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Dude you walk around with a Zoro doll, with a pacifier in it's mouth, carrying a diaper bag, and butt wipes. Don't talk to me about babysitting.

It barely blew off the top of it. Behave.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Completely different.

"No, an asspull is something that comes out of nowhere with no explanation, or a half assed explanation that doesn't make sense sense." is not "a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development".



There was NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER Luffy can use CoC on his fists. Not only was the clear indication that only the Top Tiers can use the ability like Roger, Whitebeard and Kaido, there was also zero indication Luffy had reached the point that he can use it. Luffy also just learned it the second after he got hit. It was a complete asspull that turned Luffy from getting obliterated and being unable to keep up with Kaido to fighting toe-to-toe.

I paraphrased the definition, but it's the exact same thing.

And yes, Luffy couldn't use it. Until he realized what Kaido was doing. Then he took the concept of flowing Haki which he literally learned from Hyou over the course of two weeks, and applied it to CoC, and was able to pull it off. How is this difficult for you to understand?

 

[nik87]

Dude you walk around with a Zoro doll, with a pacifier in it's mouth, carrying a diaper bag, and butt wipes. Don't talk to me about babysitting.

Dont get mad because Oda ruins OP with Luffy's shenanigans.
It would be so much better if he ruined it with Zoro but you cant have it all. :yasu:

 

[Skiddo]

I paraphrased the definition, but it's the exact same thing.

And yes, Luffy couldn't use it. Until he realized what Kaido was doing. Then he took the concept of flowing Haki which he literally learned from Hyou over the course of two weeks, and applied it to CoC, and was able to pull it off. How is this difficult for you to understand?

"And yes, Luffy couldn't use it. Until he realized what Kaido was doing "
"Then he took the concept of flowing Haki which he literally learned from Hyou over the course of two weeks, and applied it to CoC,"

How is it difficult to understand this all happened the very same chapter he asspulled this powerup LMAO. That's what's problematic. It would be completely fine if Oda somewhat introduced this logic of using CoC on his body early, or indicated that he has or hasn't reached a point where he can't use it. Or indicated that Luffy learned it before but couldn't perfectly use it. Or indicated that someone NOT amongst the strongest can use it.

Its like Zoro becoming Yonko tier out of nowhere with the justification being that his Enma suddenly became a Black Blade and Oda suddenly revealing Black Blade Enma makes him Yonko tier. You'll have your "definition" you so desperately clutch on to but that doesn't change the fact this hypothetical situation is an A S S P U L L.

And no, don't even bother with the "its the exact same thing". Its completely different. One says "no explanation", other says "pulled out of thin air". Stop changing the definition, period.

 

[Zenos7]

It barely blew off the top of it. Behave.

Spoiler

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

"And yes, Luffy couldn't use it. Until he realized what Kaido was doing "
"Then he took the concept of flowing Haki which he literally learned from Hyou over the course of two weeks, and applied it to CoC,"

How is it difficult to understand this all happened the very same chapter he asspulled this powerup LMAO. That's what's problematic. It would be completely fine if Oda somewhat introduced this logic of using CoC on his body early, or indicated that he has or hasn't reached a point where he can't use it. Or indicated that Luffy learned it before but couldn't perfectly use it. Or indicated that someone NOT amongst the strongest can use it.

Its like Zoro becoming Yonko tier out of nowhere with the justification being that his Enma suddenly became a Black Blade and Oda suddenly revealing Black Blade Enma makes him Yonko tier. You'll have your "definition" you so desperately clutch on to but that doesn't change the fact this hypothetical situation is an A S S P U L L.

And no, don't even bother with the "its the exact same thing". Its completely different. One says "no explanation", other says "pulled out of thin air". Stop changing the definition, period.

When the hell else did you expect him to realize he was being hit with a CoC attack? During his training? You can't be serious right now.

Luffy already knows the concept of flowing Haki, he learned it over the course of two weeks. That's all he needed. Instead of using it with CoA, he used it with CoC. It's not something that was difficult for him to do, or something he had to learn, because he knew the process already. Flowing Haki with CoC, instead of CoA. This is not hard to understand. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Nobody is changing the definition. You're just making up your own, Lmao.

 

[Taper]

"And yes, Luffy couldn't use it. Until he realized what Kaido was doing "
"Then he took the concept of flowing Haki which he literally learned from Hyou over the course of two weeks, and applied it to CoC,"

How is it difficult to understand this all happened the very same chapter he asspulled this powerup LMAO. That's what's problematic. It would be completely fine if Oda somewhat introduced this logic of using CoC on his body early, or indicated that he has or hasn't reached a point where he can't use it. Or indicated that Luffy learned it before but couldn't perfectly use it. Or indicated that someone NOT amongst the strongest can use it.

Its like Zoro becoming Yonko tier out of nowhere with the justification being that his Enma suddenly became a Black Blade and Oda suddenly revealing Black Blade Enma makes him Yonko tier. You'll have your "definition" you so desperately clutch on to but that doesn't change the fact this hypothetical situation is an A S S P U L L.

And no, don't even bother with the "its the exact same thing". Its completely different. One says "no explanation", other says "pulled out of thin air". Stop changing the definition, period.

It's not pulled out of thin air when there is an explanation, but it is very weak writing. An asspulll in this situation would be that Luffy unlocks it just because without the preestablished concept of flowing ryou that he applied, but with that there it exempts it from being an asspull rather it's just very uncreative dull writing.

 

[Skiddo]

When the hell else did you expect him to realize he was being hit with a CoC attack? During his training? You can't be serious right now.

Luffy already knows the concept of flowing Haki, he learned it over the course of two weeks. That's all he needed. Instead of using it with CoA, he used it with CoC. It's not something that was difficult for him to do, or something he had to learn, because he knew the process already. Flowing Haki with CoC, instead of CoA. This is not hard to understand. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Nobody is changing the definition. You're just making up your own, Lmao.

"When the hell else did you expect him to realize he was being hit with a CoC attack? During his training? You can't be serious right now."
Holy shit I didn't expect anything but that would be tremendously better if Oda just made Kaido use his CoC attack somehow early on and made Luffy contemplate it during Udon. It wouldn't come out of thin air.

"Luffy already knows the concept of flowing Haki, he learned it over the course of two weeks. That's all he needed. Instead of using it with CoA, he used it with CoC. It's not something that was difficult for him to do, or something he had to learn, because he knew the process already. Flowing Haki with CoC, instead of CoA. This is not hard to understand. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. "

You clearly can't comprehend anything I'm saying and are far, far too incomprehensible to counter anything I'm saying so I'll just paste what I said again. You're repeating the same argument like a broken record instead of trying to come up with a counter-argument to my argument against this.

How is it difficult to understand this all happened the very same chapter he asspulled this powerup LMAO. That's what's problematic. It would be completely fine if Oda somewhat introduced this logic of using CoC on his body early, or indicated that he has or hasn't reached a point where he can't use it. Or indicated that Luffy learned it before but couldn't perfectly use it. Or indicated that someone NOT amongst the strongest can use it.

Its like Zoro becoming Yonko tier out of nowhere with the justification being that his Enma suddenly became a Black Blade and Oda suddenly revealing Black Blade Enma makes him Yonko tier. You'll have your "definition" you so desperately clutch on to but that doesn't change the fact this hypothetical situation is an A S S P U L L.

"Nobody is changing the definition. You're just making up your own, Lmao."

The definition I stated is from the website YOU posted. LMAO.
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It's not pulled out of thin air when there is an explanation, but it is very weak writing. An asspulll in this situation would be that Luffy unlocks it just because without the preestablished concept of flowing ryou that he applied, but with that there it exempts it from being an asspull rather it's just very uncreative dull writing.

Not really a good logic, the writing is dull but it is an asspull as well. It DID come out of thin air, the explanation came AFTER IT, just like most asspulls do.

Its like Zoro becoming Yonko tier out of nowhere with the justification being that his Enma suddenly became a Black Blade and Oda suddenly revealing Black Blade Enma makes him Yonko tier. You'll have your "definition" but that doesn't change the fact this hypothetical situation is an A S S P U L L.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

"When the hell else did you expect him to realize he was being hit with a CoC attack? During his training? You can't be serious right now."
Holy shit I didn't expect anything but that would be tremendously better if Oda just made Kaido use his CoC attack somehow early on and made Luffy contemplate it during Udon. It wouldn't come out of thin air.

"Luffy already knows the concept of flowing Haki, he learned it over the course of two weeks. That's all he needed. Instead of using it with CoA, he used it with CoC. It's not something that was difficult for him to do, or something he had to learn, because he knew the process already. Flowing Haki with CoC, instead of CoA. This is not hard to understand. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. "

You clearly can't comprehend anything I'm saying and are far, far too incomprehensible to counter anything I'm saying so I'll just paste what I said again.

How is it difficult to understand this all happened the very same chapter he asspulled this powerup LMAO. That's what's problematic. It would be completely fine if Oda somewhat introduced this logic of using CoC on his body early, or indicated that he has or hasn't reached a point where he can't use it. Or indicated that Luffy learned it before but couldn't perfectly use it. Or indicated that someone NOT amongst the strongest can use it.

Its like Zoro becoming Yonko tier out of nowhere with the justification being that his Enma suddenly became a Black Blade and Oda suddenly revealing Black Blade Enma makes him Yonko tier. You'll have your "definition" you so desperately clutch on to but that doesn't change the fact this hypothetical situation is an A S S P U L L.

"Nobody is changing the definition. You're just making up your own, Lmao."

The definition I stated is from the website YOU posted you absolute idiot. LMAO.
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Not really a good logic, the writing is dull but it is an asspull as well. It DID come out of thin air, the explanation came AFTER IT, just like most asspulls do.

Its like Zoro becoming Yonko tier out of nowhere with the justification being that his Enma suddenly became a Black Blade and Oda suddenly revealing Black Blade Enma makes him Yonko tier. You'll have your "definition" but that doesn't change the fact this hypothetical situation is an A S S P U L L.

For the love of Christ, he didn't know you could use CoC in the same fashion until he was hit by Kaido's attack, and that's when he understood that it was possible. So how on gods green earth is Oda going to showcase that Luffy can't do something, when Luffy himself didn't know that flowing CoC into his body was possible until he got hit with the attack?

And why is Luffy supposed to have difficulty doing it, when he can do it perfectly with CoA? Is it supposed to be much harder because it's CoC? It's still haki, so what makes doing it with CoC more difficult?

Just because you don't like something, or understand it, doesn't make it an asspull.

 

[Skiddo]

For the love of Christ, he didn't know you could use CoC in the same fashion until he was hit by Kaido's attack, and that's when he understood that it was possible. So how on gods green earth is Oda going to showcase that Luffy can't do something, when Luffy himself didn't know that flowing CoC into his body was possible until he got hit with the attack?

And why is Luffy supposed to have difficulty doing it, when he can do it perfectly with CoA? Is it supposed to be much harder because it's CoC? It's still haki, so what makes doing it with CoC more difficult?

"For the love of Christ, he didn't know you could use CoC in the same fashion until he was hit by Kaido's attack, and that's when he understood that it was possible. "
For the love of Christ read what I said CAREFULLY. I said it would be better if the other situation DID HAPPEN. I never said that's what happened.

"So how on gods green earth is Oda going to showcase that Luffy can't do something, when Luffy himself didn't know that flowing CoC into his body was possible until he got hit with the attack? "
By altering and implementing the CoC deal way before so that it doesn't look like a complete asspull later.

"so what makes doing it with CoC more difficult? "
Ask Oda, who didn't even bother going in-depth to this and randomly asspulled it to give Luffy the edge. Kaido said only the STRONGEST CAN USE IT. Only Whitebeard, Roger, Kaido and Big Mom can use it. Luffy was nowhere close to them before he came out with with this asspull and suddenly caught up to them.

And hey, unsurprisingly you go another post while ignoring my argument and coming up with new goalposts.