Chapter Discussion Luffy vs Kizaru is annoyingly vague
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Honestly kind of an unfair assessment. Weve only had 3 pages between 2 chapters of actual fighting and One Piece villains arent the best examples of power progression.
You have someone like Enel who probably would have defeated Lucci stricly because of his powerset. You have Luffy being dumb as fuck against Moria and not using G2 or 3 when he could have way back then.
The only "real" sense of power progression came from Doflamingo -> Katakuri -> Kaido, because of how G4, then Haki (FS), then AdCoA/CoC and G5 played roles in each fight.
Now we are at a threshold again where enemies have strengths Kaido never had, and where Kaido isnt even going to comapre to some of them in the future. Kaido got whipped by G4 until he used FS once to counter it. Kizaru effortlessly countered it with his DF power alone (or so it seems).
Same will go for the others. Kaido cant melt faces and body parts off without Haki. He cant WiFi Conquerors Admirals like Shanks can. He cant completely nullify DF properties like Blackbeard (among other things). And who knows what Imu can do in the end. Its getting back to that pre-ts feeling of sideways progression like Croc, Enel and Lucci felt.
You have someone like Enel who probably would have defeated Lucci stricly because of his powerset. You have Luffy being dumb as fuck against Moria and not using G2 or 3 when he could have way back then.
The only "real" sense of power progression came from Doflamingo -> Katakuri -> Kaido, because of how G4, then Haki (FS), then AdCoA/CoC and G5 played roles in each fight.
Now we are at a threshold again where enemies have strengths Kaido never had, and where Kaido isnt even going to comapre to some of them in the future. Kaido got whipped by G4 until he used FS once to counter it. Kizaru effortlessly countered it with his DF power alone (or so it seems).
Same will go for the others. Kaido cant melt faces and body parts off without Haki. He cant WiFi Conquerors Admirals like Shanks can. He cant completely nullify DF properties like Blackbeard (among other things). And who knows what Imu can do in the end. Its getting back to that pre-ts feeling of sideways progression like Croc, Enel and Lucci felt.
Were they? Lucci would still have to have been able to counter Enel's own mantra and DF power. How would have done that lol? He's not made of rubber.
Haki doesnt "nullfy" logia's, it just lets you touch them, which means Enel could just shock Lucci if he gets hit.
This is absolutely why AdCoC became a thing because theres no viable way Luffy can even "touch" Akainu for example.
Haki doesnt "nullfy" logia's, it just lets you touch them, which means Enel could just shock Lucci if he gets hit.
This is absolutely why AdCoC became a thing because theres no viable way Luffy can even "touch" Akainu for example.
Again, like I said, it does not negate the effects of the DF. Thats the difference between Haki and BBs DF. Hell, Kairoseki doesnt negate DF powers either.
I dont agree that he would "easily" scoffed Enel's bigger moves. Everyone in skypiea basically was 1 tapped, and Luffy only survived because he was unaffected.
I dont agree that he would "easily" scoffed Enel's bigger moves. Everyone in skypiea basically was 1 tapped, and Luffy only survived because he was unaffected.
It doesn’t negate it, but whatever the CoA user touches it the turns it a solid body they can grab.
you can see Caesar can’t just slip away from Luffy. His waist is in a solid body form and he can’t turn it into gas so he has to user his upper body to try to get Luffy off him
In the Enel example whatever Lucci punches would just be a regular body, not electric
Also CoA is literally an armor, that’s how Rayleigh described it
you can see Caesar can’t just slip away from Luffy. His waist is in a solid body form and he can’t turn it into gas so he has to user his upper body to try to get Luffy off him
In the Enel example whatever Lucci punches would just be a regular body, not electric
Also CoA is literally an armor, that’s how Rayleigh described it
The issue comes down to Haki.
Until Oda explains thoroughly how it works or at least be consistent with the visual cues, the fights (not just this one) will become increasingly confusing.
The readers should not have to ask himself if the character is using this power or not. It should be clear with the pictures.
Haki is now the central power in fight (which are basically “the stronger Haki wins”) but we only have headcanons to understand how it works.
So yeah get ready to have endless debate about the size of black trails
Until Oda explains thoroughly how it works or at least be consistent with the visual cues, the fights (not just this one) will become increasingly confusing.
The readers should not have to ask himself if the character is using this power or not. It should be clear with the pictures.
Haki is now the central power in fight (which are basically “the stronger Haki wins”) but we only have headcanons to understand how it works.
So yeah get ready to have endless debate about the size of black trails
It doesn’t negate it, but whatever the CoA user touches it the turns it a solid body they can grab.
you can see Caesar can’t just slip away from Luffy. His waist is in a solid body form and he can’t turn it into gas so he has to user his upper body to try to get Luffy off him
In the Enel example whatever Lucci punches would just be a regular body, not electric
Also CoA is literally an armor, that’s how Rayleigh described it
you can see Caesar can’t just slip away from Luffy. His waist is in a solid body form and he can’t turn it into gas so he has to user his upper body to try to get Luffy off him
In the Enel example whatever Lucci punches would just be a regular body, not electric
Also CoA is literally an armor, that’s how Rayleigh described it
Lucci also did not have "offensive" Tekkai, only defensive, so im confused as to what Tekkai punches were shown from him.
Edit: even on that note, no base form Shigan punctured Luffy. He had to be in hybrid to do any damage with shigan. So again, no offensive tekkai
He was given haki in the data books prior to his re introduction actually, so he likely did have have offensive CoA.
Pure blunt force breaks haki, we’ve known this since Amazon Lily lmao. Not sure why you ask because G2 Luffy is clearly faster than Enel in battle and that’s who Lucci scales too, in theory I’d be surprised if Enel manages to land an attack on Lucci
Pure blunt force breaks haki, we’ve known this since Amazon Lily lmao. Not sure why you ask because G2 Luffy is clearly faster than Enel in battle and that’s who Lucci scales too, in theory I’d be surprised if Enel manages to land an attack on Lucci
Source please. Lucci has been around since Film Gold. The only databook that existed in Post TS before his reintroduction was Blue Deep, and that says nothing about his "haki" preTS.
Really disliking this headcanon that CoA was an application being used pre-TS before Sentoumaru. Luffy makes zero comments on it before that point, especially about being hurt by blunt moves. Lucci does no such thing to Luffy in Enies Lobby.
Really disliking this headcanon that CoA was an application being used pre-TS before Sentoumaru. Luffy makes zero comments on it before that point, especially about being hurt by blunt moves. Lucci does no such thing to Luffy in Enies Lobby.
6th Databook, it is stated that ALL of the CP9 members have haki.
don’t call it a headcanon just because you don’t like it. Accept that Oda just retconned because he probably though Rokushiki made a lot more sense as a haki based fighting style
Also Luffy literally saw the Boa sisters use “mantra” and he didn’t reference it either, hell he saw them
use CoA and he didn’t think of Sentomaru 💀
don’t call it a headcanon just because you don’t like it. Accept that Oda just retconned because he probably though Rokushiki made a lot more sense as a haki based fighting style
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Also Luffy literally saw the Boa sisters use “mantra” and he didn’t reference it either, hell he saw them
use CoA and he didn’t think of Sentomaru 💀
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6th databook is....what lol? Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, Blue Deep. Thats 5. The 6th is Vivre cards which specifically mention they all have it and makes no allusion to it being pre-TS. At that point we knew Lucci and Kaku were CP0.
You literally see Luffy react differently for the first time ever to CoA when it is first shown lol:
And he quite literally asks again "how" he got hurt with the Boa sisters.:
He didnt retcon anything about Rokushiki, its this shitty fanbase taking vivre cards to mean anything but what it implies currently lmao
You literally see Luffy react differently for the first time ever to CoA when it is first shown lol:
And he quite literally asks again "how" he got hurt with the Boa sisters.:
He didnt retcon anything about Rokushiki, its this shitty fanbase taking vivre cards to mean anything but what it implies currently lmao
being pedantic about the databooks is weak, we all know what we mean when saying databooks. Relax a little bit
If not pre ts when? They literally listed out ALL CP9 members. Not just Lucci and Kaku
React differently? He literally reacted like he’s never been hit before against the Boa sisters and we know he has 💀
He clearly did LMAO
but hey if you want to keep coping go ahead. It’s not like anybody can’t just read this page and not realize what’s going on
If not pre ts when? They literally listed out ALL CP9 members. Not just Lucci and Kaku
You literally see Luffy react differently for the first time ever to CoA when it is first shown lol:
And he quite literally asks again "how" he got hurt with the Boa sisters.:
And he quite literally asks again "how" he got hurt with the Boa sisters.:
He clearly did LMAO
but hey if you want to keep coping go ahead. It’s not like anybody can’t just read this page and not realize what’s going on
We know Luccis main attacks didn’t use haki as Lucci himself told luffy that if he wasn’t made of rubber his finger pistol would’ve killed him meaning there was no haki in that finger pistol.
Luccis tekkai may have been haki, but Lucci was unable to move while tekkai was active as such he still would not be able to hurt enel.
Luccis tekkai may have been haki, but Lucci was unable to move while tekkai was active as such he still would not be able to hurt enel.