Powers & Abilities Luffy's Awakening
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Awakening is simple.
Awakening just increases what an ability already does. It's not based on type, it's based on what the abilities does.
If an ability produces things > Awakening allows it to produce MORE of that thing.
Most abilities produce something e.g. Mochi or Joker's strings.
Only abilities that produce things may affect the surroundings while some don't.
If we look at all the Awakening's we know thus far, they follow the same trend:
The pattern is pretty clear. What the ability does prior to Awakening, Awakening just increases what it does. It's not making it do anything new fundamentally.
So, what is Luffy's ability? To stretch meaning all Awakening will do is allow him to stretch further. Yes, it sounds dull and boring because it's simple, but simplicity allows for a lot of complexities.
Ability to stretch further means:
So, it's really easy and simple to know how an ability will Awaken. If an ability enhances your physical strength - Awakening will enhance said physical strength further. That's why Impel Down Zoans had enhanced durability because Zoan abilities fundamentally just increase physical stats, so Awakening simply increased that.
Someone like Robin's ability is to create a certain amount of limbs... Awakening would increase that even further. Awakening is pretty much a simple concept.
Awakening just increases what an ability already does. It's not based on type, it's based on what the abilities does.
If an ability produces things > Awakening allows it to produce MORE of that thing.
Most abilities produce something e.g. Mochi or Joker's strings.
Only abilities that produce things may affect the surroundings while some don't.
If we look at all the Awakening's we know thus far, they follow the same trend:
- Joker's ability is to produce - Awakening just allowed more production ( and that manifested as affecting surroundings).
- Katakuri's ability is to produce - Awakening jsut allowed more production (and that manifested as affecting surroundings).
- Gild Tesoro ability is to control gold over a certain distance - Awakening just allowed him to control gold over a LARGER distance.
- Douglass Bullet's ability is to morph with objects from a distance, Awakening increase the range/distance.
The pattern is pretty clear. What the ability does prior to Awakening, Awakening just increases what it does. It's not making it do anything new fundamentally.
So, what is Luffy's ability? To stretch meaning all Awakening will do is allow him to stretch further. Yes, it sounds dull and boring because it's simple, but simplicity allows for a lot of complexities.
Ability to stretch further means:
- Bigger Gear 3rd for example
- Bigger Gear 4th
- Probably enhanced durability from being able to stretch further
- Less stress on his body due to being able to stretch further
So, it's really easy and simple to know how an ability will Awaken. If an ability enhances your physical strength - Awakening will enhance said physical strength further. That's why Impel Down Zoans had enhanced durability because Zoan abilities fundamentally just increase physical stats, so Awakening simply increased that.
Someone like Robin's ability is to create a certain amount of limbs... Awakening would increase that even further. Awakening is pretty much a simple concept.
Doffy/Kata normal DF basically ables them to use string/mochi as a weapon but their awakening gives them home field advantage they can attack from any direction that's more than just allowing more production.
It's to simple it's just goner make what luffy but better that just boring but luffy able to control the surrounding area with qualities of rubber still simple but able's luffy(oda) to be more creative.
What do you mean? robin has already been shown she can get better at creating body parts with practice ,your idea wouldn't change anything to her ability.
It's to simple it's just goner make what luffy but better that just boring but luffy able to control the surrounding area with qualities of rubber still simple but able's luffy(oda) to be more creative.
What do you mean? robin has already been shown she can get better at creating body parts with practice ,your idea wouldn't change anything to her ability.
Good post, definitely agree with the notion, that for a lack of information we can include movie stuff aswell, especially if fits to the canon manga stuff.
But you make one crucial mistake in your argument. It does not solely function as "further strengthening" your fruit's basic capabilties, to which your argument basically boils down to. You make it sound like it's the logical step up of the fruit's basic non awakened capabilites. Like if I can bench 200lbs, I can now bench 250lbs. I know where you are coming from, but in fact, far in contrast to what you have said, a fundamentally new ability gets unlocked.
That new ability only links to the basic capabilties, as it is still the same substance that gets used there.
Doffy and Kuri do not just get more durable mochi or strings. They unlock the ability to transform non living matter into their respective substance. That's again a completely new ability.
So it's highly unlikely that we will get something like "GGn awakened hawk rifle" or "GGn super elephanto gun". This just doesn't add up, next to the fact that it's not visualizeable, as in, we as fans couldn't necessarily tell the difference by its visualization alone.
For the Zoan thing
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What people in general most of the time forget about awakening is, that Oda somehow has to be able to visualize the transitioning, so the mechanism that leads to it/that unlocks awakening. And its use has to be visualizable on panel aswell.
It means he has to show us on panel how Luffy unlocks awakening. And how could he do that? In most awakening theories that aspect is completely ignored.
Which is why I'd say:
Some time in the future he will use G4 w/o haki under whatever circumstances. With hardening he seems to cheat himself onto a df mastery stage, he's not at yet (Doffy's comments around boundman fits into that). He might learn to heighten the resilience of his rubber w/o the need of hardening. He could do so by willingfully manipulate his rubber's elasticity.
Hakiless Boundman would therefore be the signal that tells us "wait, something new is going on here".
That would be the trigger for his awakening. Basically fully mastered control of his fruit's basic abilities. And he would unlock a new ability which would go in hand with his basic df's abilities and the fact that his df changes the constitution of his body.
And my idea is, that similiar to base Katakuri, he becomes able to produce rubber cells within inside his body. He would get rid of the need to blow up his muscles or his bones for either G4 and G3. Which would open up the possbility of him casually using G4 partially in "base" and his G3 game would end up on Kuri's lvl.
The main difference between mochi and rubber is that mochi is soft/creamy, while rubber is solid and while both are elastic, only rubber tightens up (is "recoil" the right word in english for that?) again after getting stretched. So Luffy in contrast to Kuri would actually produce solid substance, which is resilient and durable.
In combination with his newfound ability of controlling his rubber's elasticity, he would then go on to compress that rubber mass around his body, again w/o the need of haki.
This would be his new "battle mode", perhaps it gets called G5th "insert name". It's practically a muscle up, that amplifies his base durability and strength drastically.
All in all he would have far stronger base stats, while he can freely use all of his gears partial, w/o any drawback and the need to blow air into his body all the time.
But you make one crucial mistake in your argument. It does not solely function as "further strengthening" your fruit's basic capabilties, to which your argument basically boils down to. You make it sound like it's the logical step up of the fruit's basic non awakened capabilites. Like if I can bench 200lbs, I can now bench 250lbs. I know where you are coming from, but in fact, far in contrast to what you have said, a fundamentally new ability gets unlocked.
That new ability only links to the basic capabilties, as it is still the same substance that gets used there.
Doffy and Kuri do not just get more durable mochi or strings. They unlock the ability to transform non living matter into their respective substance. That's again a completely new ability.
So it's highly unlikely that we will get something like "GGn awakened hawk rifle" or "GGn super elephanto gun". This just doesn't add up, next to the fact that it's not visualizeable, as in, we as fans couldn't necessarily tell the difference by its visualization alone.
For the Zoan thing
A lack of information =/= to a contradiction.
Oda could easily pull off a red herring on this one. All those favourable attributes that Zoan awakening entail and which Croc talked about, could have been caused by a potential next lvl form, which the Jailor beasts could have been in at that monent. We just still don't know off it canonly. We never saw them switching forms afterall.
They did not turn into base state, even after they got knocked out. Which is, whether it's a potential awakened form like I'd postulate or their hybrid mode, completely off. So there's something special up with them anway. They probably were forcefully or artifical awakened. Might explain their mindless state aswell.
So what Croc says were obv. right, but at this point we just did not know, that the IP Guards, were in that form that were described with those benefiting attributes and so it gets assumed that it's just the known normal hybrid mode, which if the user is awakened, gets that zenkai boost.
Keyword "zenkai boost". That "actually using/turning on awakening" concept, that all the other awakened fruit users showed, completely falls flat otherwise. I just don't think Oda would do that. It's a huge missed opportunity, w/o any particular reason. We would have to get something like "Wahahaha, yeah, like you will notice, I'm especially tanky, I can take 10more hits than I normally could, cause I awakened my fruit some time ago" instead of a "You think you won" followed by a mid battle lvl up, in total shounen fashion. Everyone can decide on their own, what's more likely and the cooler concept.
Oda could easily pull off a red herring on this one. All those favourable attributes that Zoan awakening entail and which Croc talked about, could have been caused by a potential next lvl form, which the Jailor beasts could have been in at that monent. We just still don't know off it canonly. We never saw them switching forms afterall.
They did not turn into base state, even after they got knocked out. Which is, whether it's a potential awakened form like I'd postulate or their hybrid mode, completely off. So there's something special up with them anway. They probably were forcefully or artifical awakened. Might explain their mindless state aswell.
So what Croc says were obv. right, but at this point we just did not know, that the IP Guards, were in that form that were described with those benefiting attributes and so it gets assumed that it's just the known normal hybrid mode, which if the user is awakened, gets that zenkai boost.
Keyword "zenkai boost". That "actually using/turning on awakening" concept, that all the other awakened fruit users showed, completely falls flat otherwise. I just don't think Oda would do that. It's a huge missed opportunity, w/o any particular reason. We would have to get something like "Wahahaha, yeah, like you will notice, I'm especially tanky, I can take 10more hits than I normally could, cause I awakened my fruit some time ago" instead of a "You think you won" followed by a mid battle lvl up, in total shounen fashion. Everyone can decide on their own, what's more likely and the cooler concept.
What people in general most of the time forget about awakening is, that Oda somehow has to be able to visualize the transitioning, so the mechanism that leads to it/that unlocks awakening. And its use has to be visualizable on panel aswell.
It means he has to show us on panel how Luffy unlocks awakening. And how could he do that? In most awakening theories that aspect is completely ignored.
Which is why I'd say:
Some time in the future he will use G4 w/o haki under whatever circumstances. With hardening he seems to cheat himself onto a df mastery stage, he's not at yet (Doffy's comments around boundman fits into that). He might learn to heighten the resilience of his rubber w/o the need of hardening. He could do so by willingfully manipulate his rubber's elasticity.
Hakiless Boundman would therefore be the signal that tells us "wait, something new is going on here".
That would be the trigger for his awakening. Basically fully mastered control of his fruit's basic abilities. And he would unlock a new ability which would go in hand with his basic df's abilities and the fact that his df changes the constitution of his body.
And my idea is, that similiar to base Katakuri, he becomes able to produce rubber cells within inside his body. He would get rid of the need to blow up his muscles or his bones for either G4 and G3. Which would open up the possbility of him casually using G4 partially in "base" and his G3 game would end up on Kuri's lvl.
The main difference between mochi and rubber is that mochi is soft/creamy, while rubber is solid and while both are elastic, only rubber tightens up (is "recoil" the right word in english for that?) again after getting stretched. So Luffy in contrast to Kuri would actually produce solid substance, which is resilient and durable.
In combination with his newfound ability of controlling his rubber's elasticity, he would then go on to compress that rubber mass around his body, again w/o the need of haki.
This would be his new "battle mode", perhaps it gets called G5th "insert name". It's practically a muscle up, that amplifies his base durability and strength drastically.
All in all he would have far stronger base stats, while he can freely use all of his gears partial, w/o any drawback and the need to blow air into his body all the time.
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I can assure you, there's no mistake.
I wrote about Awakening in 2016 with the exact principles I'm talking about.
I predicted Awakenings effect and it's been consistent.
For example. I said if an ability can control something within a 10 mile radius, Awakening might increase that to 50 mile radius.
And what happened? We saw Gild Tesoro whose ability is controlling gold and all that happened from Awakening was an increased range. Nothing new happened.
In fact, even Stampede's Awakening is consistent with what I said. His ability was to control a substance within a specific range and that range simply increased from Awakening.
Far too much consistency for a theory written long ago.
Theories are proven when they can predict things and my theory has.
If your ability is benching and it's 300 lbs, if you Awakening, that might shoot up to 600 lbs. That really all Awakening is.
This is not really relevant. Problem is people are far too infatuated with this idea.
The purpose of their Awakening is not to animate things.
The purpose of their Awakening is simply to increase the source of what they can produce and manipulate.
Awakening is not to change an ability, it's just increase what it already does.
In fact, I wrote it in 2015: It's still proven to be correct and consistent with all known Awakenings - https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/ability-affinity-with-armament-haki-awakening.3000510/
Luffy's ability is vastly different to Katakuri:
Luffy's ability isn't producing, so it WONT function like Katakuri's which produces things to manipulate/Joker's ability is also to produce things to manipulate. Since Luffy's ability doesn't produce anything to manipulate, it will only affect his body.
I wrote about Awakening in 2016 with the exact principles I'm talking about.
I predicted Awakenings effect and it's been consistent.
For example. I said if an ability can control something within a 10 mile radius, Awakening might increase that to 50 mile radius.
And what happened? We saw Gild Tesoro whose ability is controlling gold and all that happened from Awakening was an increased range. Nothing new happened.
In fact, even Stampede's Awakening is consistent with what I said. His ability was to control a substance within a specific range and that range simply increased from Awakening.
Far too much consistency for a theory written long ago.
Theories are proven when they can predict things and my theory has.
If your ability is benching and it's 300 lbs, if you Awakening, that might shoot up to 600 lbs. That really all Awakening is.
This is not really relevant. Problem is people are far too infatuated with this idea.
The purpose of their Awakening is not to animate things.
The purpose of their Awakening is simply to increase the source of what they can produce and manipulate.
Awakening is not to change an ability, it's just increase what it already does.
In fact, I wrote it in 2015: It's still proven to be correct and consistent with all known Awakenings - https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/ability-affinity-with-armament-haki-awakening.3000510/
Luffy's ability is vastly different to Katakuri:
Luffy's ability isn't producing, so it WONT function like Katakuri's which produces things to manipulate/Joker's ability is also to produce things to manipulate. Since Luffy's ability doesn't produce anything to manipulate, it will only affect his body.
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