Character Discussion Marco Feels like one of the biggest Failure

[RayanOO]

The Whitebeard pirates are a pack of cowards.
But considering who the leader is, that's no surprise

Marco the opposite of a coward lol

the man lost everything in his life had all the reasons possible to stay hidden and chill and still decided to help Luffy and fight Kaido and his crew

the man confronted the whole marine in its own turf and fought every admiral out there

Marco could have disbanded the WBP or played defense after WB death but no he rallied the troops and went to war to avenge his father and fight Teach

and the man after all he lived through is still kicking and not mental or depressed. Not being a coward at all

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Marco the opposite of a coward lol

the man lost everything in his life had all the reasons possible to stay hidden and chill and still decided to help Luffy and fight Kaido and his crew

the man confronted the whole marine in its own turf and fought every admiral out there

Marco could have disband the WBP or played defense after WB death but no he rallied the troops and went to war to avenge his father and fight Teach

and the man after all he lived through is still kicking and not mental or depressed. Not being a coward at all

I think he's trolling and mimicking what Akainu said about Whitebeard in Marineford to rile up Ace

 

[soupongo]

Marco the opposite of a coward lol

the man lost everything in his life had all the reasons possible to stay hidden and chill and still decided to help Luffy and fight Kaido and his crew

the man confronted the whole marine in its own turf and fought every admiral out there

Marco could have disband the WBP or played defense after WB death but no he rallied the troops and went to war to avenge his father and fight Teach

and the man after all he lived through is still kicking and not mental or depressed. Not being a coward at all

Nope, the second the babysitter was gone, Teach forced him to retire. Even when Weevil was going around killing his ex crewmates, Marco was nowhere to be seen.

A bitch? No
A coward? Yeah

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I think he's trolling and mimicking what Akainu said about Whitebeard in Marineford to rile up Ace

Rile up? Akainu was shocked that Ace reacted to him. He was simply just pointing out the facts of the matter.

 

[Ven437]

How much nerfed do you think King was against Greenbull?

70% recovered but its just a feeling no real estimate. The main takeaway is King got portrayed massively inferior by arguably the least impressive admiral. Oda did king and queen pretty dirty same treatment as cracker by Kuzan

 

[MonsterKaido]

70% recovered but its just a feeling no real estimate. The main takeaway is King got portrayed massively inferior by arguably the least impressive admiral. Oda did king and queen pretty dirty same treatment as cracker by Kuzan

Whereas Marco got the better of Kizaru and defended against akainu. Marco was shown in better light against admirals.

 

[Veku]

Took a big part of the community well over a decade, but it's good to see things changing and people Acknowledging, that in the end, Marco was just living off cheap shots and only looked better than his peers against characters far above his paygrade, just because his fruit turns him into an damage sponge for the time being and not because of his battle prowess.

He's a cool dude with a decent fruit, but ultimately still just one of the many mere Coc - less Yonko Commanders

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

mere Coc - less Yonko Commanders

Is Hancock > Crocodile since she has Conq Haki and he doesn't?

 

[Veku]

Is Hancock > Crocodile since she has Conq Haki and he doesn't?

Oda has already hinted that Croc > Hancock by giving him a higher bounty after re-introducing them both at the same time

Generally I believe if there is two characters part of the same group - which are fairly relative in strength, the character with Coc has greater potential...At least that's what I'm getting from Doffy's comment on Luffy being potentially more dangerous than Law.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Oda has already hinted that Croc > Hancock by giving him a higher bounty after re-introducing them both at the same time

Generally I believe if there is two characters part of the same group - which are fairly relative in strength, the character with Coc has greater potential...At least that's what I'm getting from Doffy's comment on Luffy being potentially more dangerous than Law.

Sure. But the fact you think Oda has Croc > Hancock means that Conq Haki definitely isn't the end all be all here.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Fought against two of the strongest Commanders in a Yonko crew and still looked dominant in moments.

“He’s a failure”

He is always getting involved in inconclusive skirmishes. At first they look cool but that shit gets old quick especially when you consider the groups he skirmishes with always have the upper hand in the long run. Like compare him with Doffy, Doffy is probably weaker but he makes it up with his influence in the world. Marco honestly lacks that something extra. As a former right hand of WB you just get a feeling a feeling that more should be expected of him.

 

[Kiiro]

Is he? Compared to most, Marco is basically the normal non special one. And still reached that high. Shanks is from a line of Holy Knight Celestial Dragons. Buggy started off as a gag, but his origins might end up being very important whether it has to do with Xebec or not.

Even among the commanders, Katakuri is the son of a Yonko while King is from a race with Special powers. Marco in comparison is a ordinary random orphan that ended up with a great Devil Fruit. He's by far the most peaceful of them yet still has a decent bounty, maybe might not have much of an edge in strength, but in terms of fame he is far more renowned than the typical Yonko commander.

How is he normal when he is a zoan?

 

[barai]

How is he normal when he is a zoan?

Being a zoan doesn't exactly change origins or race.

 

[Ven437]

Whereas Marco got the better of Kizaru and defended against akainu. Marco was shown in better light against admirals.

Yea but he then got his ass kicked 2v1 by King and Queen (albeit he was also helping alliance with healing). His bounty is also in YC range

You can make a case for YC1s fighting admirals purely thru his feats. That’s respectable. But it’s clear Admirals play on another lvl seen as how Kizaru blitzed a stronger G4 Snakeman than the one Kata faced

 

[MonsterKaido]

Yea but he then got his ass kicked 2v1 by King and Queen (albeit he was also helping alliance with healing). His bounty is also in YC range

You can make a case for YC1s fighting admirals purely thru his feats. That’s respectable. But it’s clear Admirals play on another lvl seen as how Kizaru blitzed a stronger G4 Snakeman than the one Kata faced

Tbf this is retired Marco and he got up pretty fast in 2v1.

True but Marco was portrayed in better light than King against an admiral.

 

[Wanderer]

Well, we have what we have. The way Oda treated YC is sad, but what can you do. Personally have no problem with Marco being one of the weakest YC1.

 

[Ven437]

Tbf this is retired Marco and he got up pretty fast in 2v1.

True but Marco was portrayed in better light than King against an admiral.

We know Marco continued to protect WB’s village from pirates and other dangers while being its doctor. To me thats no different than going around encountering randomass pirates

I still believe Oda chose to portray Kata King and Marco as all closely equal. They are the same age, have similar bounty range, and are RHM of old yonko era. You can make a case for each due to their unique abilities. Kata has CoC and MC rival portrayal, King has god-like race portrayal, Marco is well respected among yonkos

Against top tiers some might fare better than others, Marco would get donuted by Akainu immediately but Kata could dodge him easily. Kata gets speedblitzed by Kizaru but Kizaru has a hard time damaging Marco. That sort of matchup

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

I feel that he's in a good spot, I don't see him as a failure. He was the one who understood WB the best and went on to fullfil his wishes.

The WB Pirates were unlike any other crew, they funcioned more like a family (funnily, much better than an actual family like the Charlotte's). WB's main goal was protecting his territories and adding more "sons" to his family (any one who was in a dire situation could join him). I think that he basically wanted to eradicate all the Sphinxes (poor countries) around the world. Maybe after meeting Ace he added a side quest to nurture him to become the next Pirate King (fulfilling his rival's -- and friend's -- wish), but he ultimately couldn't do it (not due to his fault, but due to Ace's boldness). It's worth remembering that Roger told him about the secrets of the world when he last met WB.

Marco tried to follow through, but as he was unable to defeat Blackbeard, his best course of action would be preserving WB's family the best he could; so he retreated and went on to directly help WB's hometown. He only helped Luffy because it was WB's last wish, he wanted to preserve his life in Marineford for him to carry on with Roger's (and Ace's) will.

In terms of strength, I'd put him in the upper echelon of the YCs, he's IMO one of the strongest YC1's. Marco's above Shiryu, Katakuri and King IMO, despite not even showing CoC or any advanced haki form.

 

[Kiiro]

Being a zoan doesn't exactly change origins or race.

It gives him equal base.

 

[soupongo]

Tbf this is retired Marco and he got up pretty fast in 2v1.

True but Marco was portrayed in better light than King against an admiral.

>retired

Look bro, if you can't fight after 1 year, idk what to tell you.

Marco is trash though. Dude was afraid of Base Teach, as was his captain.

 

[MonsterKaido]

We know Marco continued to protect WB’s village from pirates and other dangers while being its doctor. To me thats no different than going around encountering randomass pirates

I still believe Oda chose to portray Kata King and Marco as all closely equal. They are the same age, have similar bounty range, and are RHM of old yonko era. You can make a case for each due to their unique abilities. Kata has CoC and MC rival portrayal, King has god-like race portrayal, Marco is well respected among yonkos

Against top tiers some might fare better than others, Marco would get donuted by Akainu immediately but Kata could dodge him easily. Kata gets speedblitzed by Kizaru but Kizaru has a hard time damaging Marco. That sort of matchup

I don't mind that but on panel marco was shown in better light against admirals than king or queen. Marco even got the better of Kizaru the same Kizaru who speed blitzed yonko luffy.