General & Others Naruto equivalent of OP fanbases:
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Because Luffy is a dumbass, just like Wano people that never reads newspaper.
Anyway, this is different matter.
Just think about it, WSS title yet nobody in swordsman specialized country doesn't know about the title. So how come he is the best in the world??
Admit it, before Wano arc, you were sure people in Wano would worship Mihawk the same way Elbaf giants worship Shanks.
Anyway, this is different matter.
Just think about it, WSS title yet nobody in swordsman specialized country doesn't know about the title. So how come he is the best in the world??
Admit it, before Wano arc, you were sure people in Wano would worship Mihawk the same way Elbaf giants worship Shanks.
Everyone besides Robin have no clue including Nami. I understand where you're getting at but the Wano's opinion on Mihawk's title is only slightly more relevant than Luffy's opinion on Yonko because they're nearly as clueless about a lot of things related to the outside world. Other than a few exceptions, they don't know the Yonko, they don't know PK, they don't know admirals, and it doesn't mean all these titles are meaningless.
What's important is what the Author's intentions are with these characters. He wants Whitebeard to be the strongest. So he makes him the strongest regardless of what people of OP living under the rocks think of him. Mihawk isn't any different. But I agree it's dumb to not bring up Mihawk in Wano.
What's important is what the Author's intentions are with these characters. He wants Whitebeard to be the strongest. So he makes him the strongest regardless of what people of OP living under the rocks think of him. Mihawk isn't any different. But I agree it's dumb to not bring up Mihawk in Wano.
How do you know people like Issho is weaker than Mihawk if Issho never challenging nor shown interested in WSS title? Just because Issho happens to fight using a sword?
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I don't read Naruto much but comparing to Bleach;
Mihawk fanbase is Nnoitra fanbase. They don't really exist, they just wank them just to indirectly wank their boy Zoro/Kenpachi.
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I don't read Naruto much but comparing to Bleach;
Mihawk fanbase is Nnoitra fanbase. They don't really exist, they just wank them just to indirectly wank their boy Zoro/Kenpachi.
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I agree tbh. I saw a really good post that convinced me Mihawk is stronger so I kinda admitted Mihawk > Shanks so it takes my interest away from powerscaling since I intend to leave forums and stuff in a month or two. But there's just no way I can convince my brain to believe this. The difference in their feats/portrayal/narrative importance is just too much. Yeah he has the title but he never beat Shanks for it so I just can't take it seriously. The best argument is his entire character depends on strength while Shanks has a lot of other things narratively going for him and he SHOULD be stronger... but Oda isn't a good writer nor powerscaler... so he will 99% make Shanks stronger because of the wank. For whatever fuckass reason. And to make up for this bad writing, he just mentions sword skills when comparing them instead of outright calling him stronger... because he can't bring himself to say anyone is stronger than his golden boy. And oda is a guy who makes people as strong as he wants based on narrative so people with higher narrative importance just appear stronger. I don't know how much longer I can lie to myself to convince Mihawk is stronger... Shanks looks more and more as THE ideal pirate as the chapters go on. At best, I can imagine Akainu and Dragon being stronger since they're part of different organisations but Akainu doesn't look nearly as impressive as Shanks... so only chance is Dragon.
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This is what I think about the different lane Mihawk (Zoro, Ryuma etc.) and Shanks (Roger, Ray etc.) are in. Let's take Mihawk and Shanks against Jozu.
>Mihawk will cut him, potentially knocking him out.
>Shanks will knock him out, without necessarily cutting him.
Both are using haki to do this, but the difference is Mihawk is using his haki to buff his cutting property (a la Dragon Damnation), while Shanks is using his haki mastery to overwhelm Jozu with a shockwave slash (a la Kamusari).
This makes Mihawk the superior swordsman, because Shanks is unable to cut Jozu while Mihawk can. Shanks' swordsmanship was more crude. But...the end result was the same. Which is Jozu was taken down.
So while Shanks was the inferior swordsman for being unable to cut diamond like Mihawk could, this did not make him inferior in overall combat as he gained similar results in his own way.
Weaker swordsman =/= weaker overall even between two swordsman. Though in most cases that will end up the case, there can be exceptions depending on overall haki mastery. I see guys like Roger and Shanks as all rounders while Mihawk and Zoro are specialists.
I don't think Oda has any intention of making Shanks inferior to Mihawk. Zero. I think at this stage of the story it's clear to me that this is the case. I'm not gonna say Mihawk is weaker for sure either though, but his title cannot be used to place him above Shanks overall.
This is what I think about the different lane Mihawk (Zoro, Ryuma etc.) and Shanks (Roger, Ray etc.) are in. Let's take Mihawk and Shanks against Jozu.
>Mihawk will cut him, potentially knocking him out.
>Shanks will knock him out, without necessarily cutting him.
Both are using haki to do this, but the difference is Mihawk is using his haki to buff his cutting property (a la Dragon Damnation), while Shanks is using his haki mastery to overwhelm Jozu with a shockwave slash (a la Kamusari).
This makes Mihawk the superior swordsman, because Shanks is unable to cut Jozu while Mihawk can. Shanks' swordsmanship was more crude. But...the end result was the same. Which is Jozu was taken down.
So while Shanks was the inferior swordsman for being unable to cut diamond like Mihawk could, this did not make him inferior in overall combat as he gained similar results in his own way.
Weaker swordsman =/= weaker overall even between two swordsman. Though in most cases that will end up the case, there can be exceptions depending on overall haki mastery. I see guys like Roger and Shanks as all rounders while Mihawk and Zoro are specialists.
I don't think Oda has any intention of making Shanks inferior to Mihawk. Zero. I think at this stage of the story it's clear to me that this is the case. I'm not gonna say Mihawk is weaker for sure either though, but his title cannot be used to place him above Shanks overall.
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I agree. The orthodox wordsmanship in OP is basically what you can cut and how much potency your slices have. Because no way you can look at Mihawk/Zoro and Shanks/Roger and say their style is the same. Yes, both use haki but the difference in how important haki is, is different to both lanes. For Mihawk/Zoro, haki is an important amp to have insane potency to slice and cut your opponent through swordsmanship. For Roger/Shanks, haki is basically a nuke to destroy their opponents. It's clear which side has their fighting style more focused on haki and which side has their fighting style more focused on cutting. They're all swordsmen but Oda clearly defines strength when it comes to swordsmen, as how much you can cut. And although this is some bullshit writing, Oda will carry along with it anyways cause he's not a smart writer. That's his way of making Shanks equal or greater to the Mihawk while still maintaining the dignity of Mihawk's title, by giving him top 1 swordsmanship
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I mean oda LITERALLY states in an SBS "how does he actually fight" when asked about Shanks. This was in response to a question asking the name of his sword. I mean Oda is spelling out for us that his fighting style isn't limited to just orthodox swordsmanship but more unorthodox haki applications... otherwise why would he mention that if all haki based swordsmen have the same fighting style...
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thread discussion: shanks is not swordsman so mihawk is not stronger than him
