General & Others Naruto General
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Yeah, as much as I liked the war-peace-dilemma that was introduced to Naruto with the Pain-arc, it kind of contradicted the entire setup of the Naruto universe, where children aspire to be soldiers and happily train every day to fight, and consequently kill people. Though I suppose most of that is under the cover of protecting their respective hometowns.
After defeating Nagato, which had finale vibes (Naruto returning back to Konoha and people cheering at him), things slowly started to go overboard. Especially when the war started. I think that the peak of power should've stayed the usual Mangekyo Sharingan, Nagato's Rinnegan and Bijuu-Mode. Accompanied by the traditional Ninja techniques, use of tactics and weapons. But towards the end we were already at people leveling countries.
Am I the only one a little upset every Bijuu's chakra is the same color? I like the blood red look for Naruto, but I thought that fit because Kurama's fur is red. It's a minor complaint but it makes them seem a lot blander.
Edo Tensei Nagato should've been about where Hashirama and Madara were. I can excuse the God Tiers for being actual gods. No way around it unless you decide to not include a juubi jinchuuriki entirely. But the power scaling shot up way too much. 5 Kages can barely push Madara to a serious difficulty lmao.
Edo Tensei Nagato should've been about where Hashirama and Madara were. I can excuse the God Tiers for being actual gods. No way around it unless you decide to not include a juubi jinchuuriki entirely. But the power scaling shot up way too much. 5 Kages can barely push Madara to a serious difficulty lmao.
No mate, I totally feel you there, I was pretty bothered by the fact that all Jinchuuriki V1 & V2 states looked pretty much the same. But one needs to keep in mind that this was introduced during a phase where Naruto had already been pretty bland and lacking in consistency and creativity.
I loved that Gaara's armor was entirely different, since Shukaku consists of sand, and also fancied Nibi's blue Chakra.
Then again, I generally disliked the idea of making the Bijuu just misunderstood pets with quirky personalities, when in the beginning Kyuubi was portrayed as an evil entity with purely sinister Chakra.
I loved that Gaara's armor was entirely different, since Shukaku consists of sand, and also fancied Nibi's blue Chakra.
Then again, I generally disliked the idea of making the Bijuu just misunderstood pets with quirky personalities, when in the beginning Kyuubi was portrayed as an evil entity with purely sinister Chakra.
Oh man, I remember reading the chapter over christmas break of Kurama and Naruto first working together. Must've been like, 16 or 17 and I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. Looking back on it, I really dislike that twist. Kurama and Naruto cooperating kills Naruto's growth at chapter 507, he's got nothing else to work towards as he's already sworn himself to help out the Kyuubi.
It's also a lot less cool having this monster fox as some ally, who possesses you and talks to Kakashi/Gai in the middle of fighting Obito.
It's also a lot less cool having this monster fox as some ally, who possesses you and talks to Kakashi/Gai in the middle of fighting Obito.
@Cinera
I think you're underestimating Orochimaru's prowess and cunning in the series. He was so powerful that his arms (ninjutsu) had to be removed for the entirety of the story, and he could still perform well against 4Tail Naruto with a failing body. With unlocked arms and the ability to possess new bodies for additional power boosts, Orochimaru easily could've been relevant in the end game. Honestly, give him a body that could handle Senjutsu and he'd be above any of the Gokage and probably as large a threat as someone like Obito was.
He was an antagonist who had logical methods of growing his power to match the story.
I think you're underestimating Orochimaru's prowess and cunning in the series. He was so powerful that his arms (ninjutsu) had to be removed for the entirety of the story, and he could still perform well against 4Tail Naruto with a failing body. With unlocked arms and the ability to possess new bodies for additional power boosts, Orochimaru easily could've been relevant in the end game. Honestly, give him a body that could handle Senjutsu and he'd be above any of the Gokage and probably as large a threat as someone like Obito was.
He was an antagonist who had logical methods of growing his power to match the story.
The more I read about the Uchiha, the more I thought that Tobirama was justified in wanting to annihilate them. Literally a clan of maniacs who can snap at the drop of a hat, wreak wanton destruction and blame it on their inherent nature to love or such bullshit. What's even funnier is that the Uchiha's so-called 'complaints' about their treatment were 99% bullshit. Literally every major clan in Konoha has their own private compound, so the Uchihas were never singled out in that regard. They enjoyed a high social status in Konoha, with 99.999% of civilians and fellow ninjas treating them with admiration and respect. To me, the more Kishi wanked the Uchihas, the more I thought that they were a bunch of power hungry, mentally and emotionally unstable toddlers who were better off gone.
Oi oi oi, I just realised Tobirama is a bit like Hitler, should we really go down that road with such a logic 
But... Essentially, yes, every Uchiha turned out batshit crazy. Can't really name a single normal one. Maybe Shisui comes closest, but not even. If you think about it, the craziness started out with Itachi. BUT he didn't even plan for Itachi to be "good", originally he wrote him to be evil, so that was the essential thread which started the Uchiha silliness. Then continued by Sasuke, Obito, Madara.
To be honest, Kishimoto just got eaten by his own plot. And his characters. I will forever love Naruto despite all of it though, says a lot.
But... Essentially, yes, every Uchiha turned out batshit crazy. Can't really name a single normal one. Maybe Shisui comes closest, but not even. If you think about it, the craziness started out with Itachi. BUT he didn't even plan for Itachi to be "good", originally he wrote him to be evil, so that was the essential thread which started the Uchiha silliness. Then continued by Sasuke, Obito, Madara.To be honest, Kishimoto just got eaten by his own plot. And his characters. I will forever love Naruto despite all of it though, says a lot.
Oi oi oi, I just realised Tobirama is a bit like Hitler, should we really go down that road with such a logic But... Essentially, yes, every Uchiha turned out batshit crazy. Can't really name a single normal one. Maybe Shisui comes closest, but not even. If you think about it, the craziness started out with Itachi. BUT he didn't even plan for Itachi to be "good", originally he wrote him to be evil, so that was the essential thread which started the Uchiha silliness. Then continued by Sasuke, Obito, Madara.
To be honest, Kishimoto just got eaten by his own plot. And his characters. I will forever love Naruto despite all of it though, says a lot.
But... Essentially, yes, every Uchiha turned out batshit crazy. Can't really name a single normal one. Maybe Shisui comes closest, but not even. If you think about it, the craziness started out with Itachi. BUT he didn't even plan for Itachi to be "good", originally he wrote him to be evil, so that was the essential thread which started the Uchiha silliness. Then continued by Sasuke, Obito, Madara.To be honest, Kishimoto just got eaten by his own plot. And his characters. I will forever love Naruto despite all of it though, says a lot.
Even worse was the fact Kumo tried to steal a Hyuuga like 3 years earlier and were annoyed at their failed. They'd reignite their military to take advantage of Konoha's weakness. Iwagakure under Oonoki was known for being an advantageous shit head, and Rasa was entertaining the destruction of Konoha with Orochimaru when Konoha was more stable.
Looking at it from Danzo's perspective, I can 100% see why he would decide the Uchiha had to go. They were too great a threat to the security of Konoha.
Wouldn't even call Itachi a good Uchiha either. Using Tsukuyomi on your brother twice before he leaves the village, intending to use Shisui's eye to to brainwash Sasuke into obeying Konoha.. Yeah, he's not a moral paragon like the fandom makes him out to be.