Lebron dont have more skills than MJ. Lebron is a freight train, his drives to the basket is simply unguardable because of his size and athleticism, thats it. He is a way inferior shooter than MJ, way inferior scorer too.
What about the Dallas series? What about when Spurs destroyed Heat? There is no excuse for those 2 finals, Lebron clearly had the better teammates. MJ would have won those.
What about the Dallas series? What about when Spurs destroyed Heat? There is no excuse for those 2 finals, Lebron clearly had the better teammates. MJ would have won those.
Aight so boom at their individual primes? Defense a wash and Jordan a better jump shooter but Bron a better passer so......
Is Bron an inferior scorer? Man has 5 more seasons than MJ, Kobe and Durant avg 25ppg. He at 17 and they at 12 iirc.....
Dallas I’ll give you(meant to mention it but sum came up) San Antonio I’ll give you as well. That’s 2/10 that you have a legit argument. What bout tha other 3 I brought up lol
Is Bron an inferior scorer? Man has 5 more seasons than MJ, Kobe and Durant avg 25ppg. He at 17 and they at 12 iirc.....
Dallas I’ll give you(meant to mention it but sum came up) San Antonio I’ll give you as well. That’s 2/10 that you have a legit argument. What bout tha other 3 I brought up lol
MJ has 10 scoring titles against Lebron's 1. MJ is the greatest scorer in the history of the game, nobody comes close. Honestly, I dont give equal weight to passing and scoring skills, scoring is significantly more important and difficult in my opinion. Even Draymond can pass, jk, lol.
I agree, even MJ would have lost those finals. At the same time, MJ would have won at least 2 out of Lebron's 6 losses.
I agree, even MJ would have lost those finals. At the same time, MJ would have won at least 2 out of Lebron's 6 losses.
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Lebron's argument is for longevity, he's been great for longer than anyone barring KAJ. I don't think anyone should dispute at the peak of their abilities, MJ was better. He was literally unstoppable, maxed out defender, maxed out offensively. His peak resume blows any player's peak out the water, it's almost like a fairy tail. And when you are considering "greatness", your resume and results matter. MJ is near perfection, while LBJ had a few bumps along the way.
Like I said, his case comes with longevity, if you favour the whole body of work, you can make a case for LBJ, personally I weigh heavier into peaks. If LBJ wins this year, his argument will actually be legit in my eyes, rn I think it's a bit of a reach to place him above MJ when he has so many losses on his record.
Like I said, his case comes with longevity, if you favour the whole body of work, you can make a case for LBJ, personally I weigh heavier into peaks. If LBJ wins this year, his argument will actually be legit in my eyes, rn I think it's a bit of a reach to place him above MJ when he has so many losses on his record.
MJ a natural scorer tho lol, like his first, second and third inclination on a basketball court is to score that’s not a knock. It’s jus how he wired
Eh....lol. I think KD is tha most gifted scorer ever lol, man a walking 50/40/90 at 7ft with guard handles and got EASY range from 30ft
Is it? AI is/was a gifted scorer as well, who’s better him or Magic in general I agree with ya. But some guys(Magic, Bron etc) are so gifted at passing and making guys better that it makes avg or below a good teams much better than what they’re ever supposed to be
You could flip it and say a Prime Bron goes 6-0 with Pippen, Rodman and Phil Jackson tho
@ZenZu is right on that tho. Bron “Prime” or peak abilities have gone on stupidly long. Shit approaching 2 decades of pure dominance. Jordan had 8-12 years where it was an insult to compare him to anyone
I’ve maintained that MJ, Bron and Kareem are tha top 3. Rank however you want
Eh....lol. I think KD is tha most gifted scorer ever lol, man a walking 50/40/90 at 7ft with guard handles and got EASY range from 30ft
Is it? AI is/was a gifted scorer as well, who’s better him or Magic in general I agree with ya. But some guys(Magic, Bron etc) are so gifted at passing and making guys better that it makes avg or below a good teams much better than what they’re ever supposed to be
You could flip it and say a Prime Bron goes 6-0 with Pippen, Rodman and Phil Jackson tho
@ZenZu is right on that tho. Bron “Prime” or peak abilities have gone on stupidly long. Shit approaching 2 decades of pure dominance. Jordan had 8-12 years where it was an insult to compare him to anyone
I’ve maintained that MJ, Bron and Kareem are tha top 3. Rank however you want
nah I'd rather choose Jokic (26 points 11 rebounds 8 assists) tbh, has been more healthy than any other candidate and they've been winning all season w/o Jamal Murray. Embiid has been winning as well but has missed over 20+ games while Jokic has missed none.
If you choose Curry (32 points 6 rebounds 6 assists) and he loses to Memphis tmrw, he'd be the first MVP in NBA history to miss the playoffs and it'd make for a very awkward situation. If the Warriors has finished Top 6 he might have had a case but it's still imo would be very direspectful to ignore what Jokic has done
If you choose Curry (32 points 6 rebounds 6 assists) and he loses to Memphis tmrw, he'd be the first MVP in NBA history to miss the playoffs and it'd make for a very awkward situation. If the Warriors has finished Top 6 he might have had a case but it's still imo would be very direspectful to ignore what Jokic has done
yes he's basically all of their offense but they're also not in a strong playoff position and all it takes is a loss tmrw for them to not qualify for the playoffs
historically though other than Westbook in 2016-2017 when OKC finished 6th, the MVP has always gone to a player on a team that has finished minimum of a Top 3 seed, with 50+ games won. If I was Embiid or Jokic, I would be extremely pissed if I lost out on an MVP to Curry who has a much lower seed than both guys regardless of how good his numbers has been this season, and really it would be an insult to anyone that consistently stays in the top of the conference
historically though other than Westbook in 2016-2017 when OKC finished 6th, the MVP has always gone to a player on a team that has finished minimum of a Top 3 seed, with 50+ games won. If I was Embiid or Jokic, I would be extremely pissed if I lost out on an MVP to Curry who has a much lower seed than both guys regardless of how good his numbers has been this season, and really it would be an insult to anyone that consistently stays in the top of the conference
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MVP - Jokic will win it but I think Embiid is the real MVP if we're really talking about it. He was the MVP favorite at the all-star break because he had the team record to go along with being the best two-way player than the rest of the candidates. He had everything but games played.
6MOTY - It's gonna be Clarkson. Ingles is pretty good but they'll never give it to him if they never gave it to Iggy (who was clearly better than Lou or Jamal as a 6th man). With D-Rose, it took until going to NYK for him to be a real candidate for the award.
ROTY - It's tough. While I like Edwards more, Lonzo was more spectacular in his rookie season even though he missed a lot of games. I don't have a problem with him winning it. Haliburton is clearly 3rd.
Others:
DPOY - This shit is tough. It's subjective anyway when it comes to defense but I think I'm picking Simmons for this one. Not as smart as Green or a better rim protector than Gobert but he's just more versatile with his size and speed. Also, I just saw him much more than I did with Gobert and Green but they're all worthy to win.
COTY - Between Monty or Thibs on this one. Although I didn't think PHX would be a top-2 team in the west, I certainly didn't think NYK would be a top 5 team in the east so I might go for Thibs on this one even though I don't feel good about it, lol.
MIP - This one is the easiest. Randle could probably make All-NBA this year. He turned himself into a star.
6MOTY - It's gonna be Clarkson. Ingles is pretty good but they'll never give it to him if they never gave it to Iggy (who was clearly better than Lou or Jamal as a 6th man). With D-Rose, it took until going to NYK for him to be a real candidate for the award.
ROTY - It's tough. While I like Edwards more, Lonzo was more spectacular in his rookie season even though he missed a lot of games. I don't have a problem with him winning it. Haliburton is clearly 3rd.
Others:
DPOY - This shit is tough. It's subjective anyway when it comes to defense but I think I'm picking Simmons for this one. Not as smart as Green or a better rim protector than Gobert but he's just more versatile with his size and speed. Also, I just saw him much more than I did with Gobert and Green but they're all worthy to win.
COTY - Between Monty or Thibs on this one. Although I didn't think PHX would be a top-2 team in the west, I certainly didn't think NYK would be a top 5 team in the east so I might go for Thibs on this one even though I don't feel good about it, lol.
MIP - This one is the easiest. Randle could probably make All-NBA this year. He turned himself into a star.
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Lebron was the only reason that became a 6 game series tbh. Second option in Dellevadova had to be hospitalized after chasing around Curry for 6 games lol. 2007, 2015, 2017, 2018 were all pretty much in the opponent’s favor by a mile, hell 2018 might have been interesting if JR didn’t do what he did. Dropping 50 with an eye injury and still losing was too much of a momentum shift for that Cavs team to overcome, soon as they lost you could just tell they were going to get swept in swift succession.
The only real blemish on Lebron’s career to this day. They exploited his game with their defense and he was invinting them to do what he wanted by being overly passive. Since then he hasn’t had a performance like that.
There is a good one for the latter, Wade was out of his prime and was going through knee issues in 2014. He averaged 15 pt a game in that series, clearly wasn’t the same guy in years prior. That simply wasn’t going to cut it against that Spurs team. Can’t really hold much against Lebron.
The only real blemish on Lebron’s career to this day. They exploited his game with their defense and he was invinting them to do what he wanted by being overly passive. Since then he hasn’t had a performance like that.
There is a good one for the latter, Wade was out of his prime and was going through knee issues in 2014. He averaged 15 pt a game in that series, clearly wasn’t the same guy in years prior. That simply wasn’t going to cut it against that Spurs team. Can’t really hold much against Lebron.
I am not as confident as you are when Lebron choked against Dallas with Wade and Bosch, a much better duo than Pippen and Rodman. Also, Rodman wasn't part of MJs first 3 peat. Lebron is not coachable so I dont see any effect of Phil Jackson, he is better off with a water boy like Ty Lue.
So its Wade's fault now? lmao
So its Wade's fault now? lmao