General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
Members perhaps not, though I would appreciate if you explained why you believe that to be the case.
But many of the crews that make up the Grand Fleet are nowhere near their full strength. Giant pirates for example have only four members right now.
I always interpreted that to mean that crew will have a total of 10 crewmembers? Does the original Japanese text clear it up any?
But many of the crews that make up the Grand Fleet are nowhere near their full strength. Giant pirates for example have only four members right now.
I always interpreted that to mean that crew will have a total of 10 crewmembers? Does the original Japanese text clear it up any?
I have created a thread explaining that a long time ago on twitter:
https://x.com/CarrotForNakama/status/1294620833898536963?s=20
https://x.com/CarrotForNakama/status/1294620833898536963?s=20
No. this is not.
You don't take the most important factor that is the reason why the grand fleet exist in the first place. A grand fleet is not just a simple bunch of people that rally with each other because they care about a common goal. A grand fleet is like a bigger version of the strawhat crew, its a fraternity.
To developp that fraternity, you need to put time in it. Which means that to integrate more member, you would need to recreate exactly what already happened in Dressrosa. This is possible but this is unlikely as it would create a huge unecessary repetition.
The grandfleet is already created, its done. Now, we simply need to wait for those members to shine again.
You don't take the most important factor that is the reason why the grand fleet exist in the first place. A grand fleet is not just a simple bunch of people that rally with each other because they care about a common goal. A grand fleet is like a bigger version of the strawhat crew, its a fraternity.
To developp that fraternity, you need to put time in it. Which means that to integrate more member, you would need to recreate exactly what already happened in Dressrosa. This is possible but this is unlikely as it would create a huge unecessary repetition.
The grandfleet is already created, its done. Now, we simply need to wait for those members to shine again.
Luffy is the protagonist, so, it's really about what he says.
Like, Luffy invited Gaimon, a man trapped in a treasure chest, to join his crew. And he was 100% serious.
Luffy invited Brook, a talking skeleton, to join his crew, without knowing really anything about him.
So, you need an invite, a dream that involves sailing around the world, and, as much as I hate to give this to C4N, a "shining Nakama moment".
Gaimon already had a dream that didn't align with Luffy's; he wanted to stay on the island with his weird animal buddies.
Brook had a dream, to recover his shadow and then return to Laboon, that originally didn't align with the Straw Hats, but, circumstances led to their goals being the same, so he joined after being invited more formally.
Momo's dream to become a great Shogun of Wano doesn't keep him from joining the Straw Hats, and he has an invite, and a SNM (Shining Nakama Moment) in stopping Onigashima from falling and killing... well, pretty much everyone. So, he can join, if Oden's journal/Momo's role as Shogun involves him going to Laugh Tale.
Kinemon's dream was to kill Kaido and help Momo rule as Shogun, but, he's never really had a shining moment, IMO, and his dream is connected to Momo, not the Straw Hats themselves, making him more like a Pedro. He won't actually join (I think Kinemon will die when Pluton is activated).
Vivi's dream was to protect and rule her kingdom. So, she couldn't sail with the Straw Hats. BUT, now that the WG is a direct enemy of Alabasta, Vivi will join the Straw Hats, who have declared war on the WG and Celestial Dragons multiple times by now. The only way Alabasta can be protected, is through Joy Boy/the Straw Hats. Vivi also has plenty of Shining Moments, from stopping the bomb in Alubarna, to fighting the Bananagator to try to save the crew. So, Vivi will join soon.
Yamato's dream was to fulfill Oden's Will, defeat Kaido, and open the borders of Wano so she could set sail to the sea. However, since Momo didn't have Zunesha open the borders at the end of the raid, Yamato still needs to fulfill Oden's will. Yamato will join, but only after Pluton is activated and the borders are open. Her shining moments were catching Luffy as he fell, holding back Kaido, and defending Momo and Shinobu from multiple enemies.
And then there's the mutherfucking problem child, the god damn rabbit.
Oda made Carrot a huge focus in Whole Cake, giving her a mentor death, a Roger tie-in, a tie-in to bringing about the Dawn, and having her interact with the crew regularly. By the end of Whole Cake, when you look back at Zou, Carrot had interacted heavily with the entire crew, including Jinbei. This is something neither Yamato, nor Vivi ever achieved.
Carrot also had many Shining Nakama moments, from trying to avenge her mentor, Pedro, to help the Straw Hats escape, to her conversation with Sanji, to her trap with Chopper against Brulee, to her super cool Sulong rampage that saved the Straw Hats from sure death.
SO WHERE'S THE FUCKING INVITE, ODA?!?!?!?
There's no way the Straw Hats never talked to Carrot about her future before leaving after they've sailed and fought together so much. And, guess what? We saw from Yamato that Oda has no problem holding shitty Wano Nakama flashbacks till later.
The most likely answer here is that Carrot already declined an invite to the crew, in order to rebuild Zou, the same way Vivi did. Once Zou is attacked by the WG, and Zunesha is killed, the Minks will migrate to Wano, and Carrot will be able to join.
We'll get a flashback of Carrot declining to join the next time we see Zou, most likely with Bepo swimming to the island with Law, since Bepo has a Vivre Card of Zou and Zou would be the closest island to Winners Island where the Heart Pirates took their big L.
Carrot's dream is to fulfill Pedro's Will, and Pedro's Will/dream was to sail with Roger, the Pirate King, to bring about the Dawn. So, we just need an invite, and Carrot to be forced to leave Zou like Vivi was forced to leave Alabasta (Carrot is the Vivi of the New World, a foreign royal connected to the Ancient Kingdom who was left behind to rule her kingdom).
If Oda actually sidelined Carrot being asked to join the crew for multiple volumes, though, he's a fucking madman, and I hope a dog scratches its ass all over his carpet for making me read C4N's thread-derailment-syndrome for another 6 months. STOP HOLDING BACK INFORMATION JUST TO DESTROY YOUR OWN FANBASE'S SANITY, GOD DAMN IT ODA.
Like, Luffy invited Gaimon, a man trapped in a treasure chest, to join his crew. And he was 100% serious.
Luffy invited Brook, a talking skeleton, to join his crew, without knowing really anything about him.
So, you need an invite, a dream that involves sailing around the world, and, as much as I hate to give this to C4N, a "shining Nakama moment".
Gaimon already had a dream that didn't align with Luffy's; he wanted to stay on the island with his weird animal buddies.
Brook had a dream, to recover his shadow and then return to Laboon, that originally didn't align with the Straw Hats, but, circumstances led to their goals being the same, so he joined after being invited more formally.
Momo's dream to become a great Shogun of Wano doesn't keep him from joining the Straw Hats, and he has an invite, and a SNM (Shining Nakama Moment) in stopping Onigashima from falling and killing... well, pretty much everyone. So, he can join, if Oden's journal/Momo's role as Shogun involves him going to Laugh Tale.
Kinemon's dream was to kill Kaido and help Momo rule as Shogun, but, he's never really had a shining moment, IMO, and his dream is connected to Momo, not the Straw Hats themselves, making him more like a Pedro. He won't actually join (I think Kinemon will die when Pluton is activated).
Vivi's dream was to protect and rule her kingdom. So, she couldn't sail with the Straw Hats. BUT, now that the WG is a direct enemy of Alabasta, Vivi will join the Straw Hats, who have declared war on the WG and Celestial Dragons multiple times by now. The only way Alabasta can be protected, is through Joy Boy/the Straw Hats. Vivi also has plenty of Shining Moments, from stopping the bomb in Alubarna, to fighting the Bananagator to try to save the crew. So, Vivi will join soon.
Yamato's dream was to fulfill Oden's Will, defeat Kaido, and open the borders of Wano so she could set sail to the sea. However, since Momo didn't have Zunesha open the borders at the end of the raid, Yamato still needs to fulfill Oden's will. Yamato will join, but only after Pluton is activated and the borders are open. Her shining moments were catching Luffy as he fell, holding back Kaido, and defending Momo and Shinobu from multiple enemies.
And then there's the mutherfucking problem child, the god damn rabbit.
Oda made Carrot a huge focus in Whole Cake, giving her a mentor death, a Roger tie-in, a tie-in to bringing about the Dawn, and having her interact with the crew regularly. By the end of Whole Cake, when you look back at Zou, Carrot had interacted heavily with the entire crew, including Jinbei. This is something neither Yamato, nor Vivi ever achieved.
Carrot also had many Shining Nakama moments, from trying to avenge her mentor, Pedro, to help the Straw Hats escape, to her conversation with Sanji, to her trap with Chopper against Brulee, to her super cool Sulong rampage that saved the Straw Hats from sure death.
SO WHERE'S THE FUCKING INVITE, ODA?!?!?!?
There's no way the Straw Hats never talked to Carrot about her future before leaving after they've sailed and fought together so much. And, guess what? We saw from Yamato that Oda has no problem holding shitty Wano Nakama flashbacks till later.
The most likely answer here is that Carrot already declined an invite to the crew, in order to rebuild Zou, the same way Vivi did. Once Zou is attacked by the WG, and Zunesha is killed, the Minks will migrate to Wano, and Carrot will be able to join.
We'll get a flashback of Carrot declining to join the next time we see Zou, most likely with Bepo swimming to the island with Law, since Bepo has a Vivre Card of Zou and Zou would be the closest island to Winners Island where the Heart Pirates took their big L.
Carrot's dream is to fulfill Pedro's Will, and Pedro's Will/dream was to sail with Roger, the Pirate King, to bring about the Dawn. So, we just need an invite, and Carrot to be forced to leave Zou like Vivi was forced to leave Alabasta (Carrot is the Vivi of the New World, a foreign royal connected to the Ancient Kingdom who was left behind to rule her kingdom).
If Oda actually sidelined Carrot being asked to join the crew for multiple volumes, though, he's a fucking madman, and I hope a dog scratches its ass all over his carpet for making me read C4N's thread-derailment-syndrome for another 6 months. STOP HOLDING BACK INFORMATION JUST TO DESTROY YOUR OWN FANBASE'S SANITY, GOD DAMN IT ODA.
We can only predict who is the closest looking at the common parameters with the strawhats, nothing more.
And sorry, but Yamato's story is over. The choices she had to make were made.
Fun thing is that this would pretty much be a confirmation that she is joining the crew as this is a clear case of refusal of the call.
We don't know.
And sorry, but Yamato's story is over. The choices she had to make were made.
Fun thing is that this would pretty much be a confirmation that she is joining the crew as this is a clear case of refusal of the call.
We don't know.
