General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

You literally list it as THE most important aspect even though not all strawhats had it

Remember, this is not a system that list the things that a strawhat must have before the recruitment. Its a system made to predict the best way possible the next strawhat. That means that in that case, we need to take into account all the parameter, the shining nakama action included.

your criteria for what constitutes a shining nakama action is 100% subjective

I don't see how. But listen.. i've explained everything to you. If you don't want to understand by now. There is not much that I can do.

it can literally be anything you want it to be.

No it can't. Sigh.. Do you read or what ? Where do you see that it can be "anything" ? -_-

Still waiting on how Su Long Carrot is related to the lookout position.

Listen I took the time to try to explain in detail and you still have the same rethoric. So no I won't explain, already done that multiple times and you never listened, so one more time won't change anything. You are in denial because of a bias and I can't do anything about that.

So think what you want. Join the BonneyForNakama train if thats what you want.. I've said what I had to say. I'm tired of this discussion and I need to work a bit before bed,

So long.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

So long.

Your posts are for sure

 

[Logiko]

Your posts are for sure

GOod one

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

GOod one

is this a hint????

 

[Logiko]

is this a hint????

Maybe

 

[Sigran101]

Remember, this is not a system that list the things that a strawhat must have before the recruitment. Its a system made to predict the best way possible the next strawhat. That means that in that case, we need to take into account all the parameter, the shining nakama action included.



I don't see how. But listen.. i've explained everything to you. If you don't want to understand by now. There is not much that I can do.



No it can't. Sigh.. Do you read or what ? Where do you see that it can be "anything" ? -_-



Listen I took the time to try to explain in detail and you still have the same rethoric. So no I won't explain, already done that multiple times and you never listened, so one more time won't change anything. You are in denial because of a bias and I can't do anything about that.

So think what you want. Join the BonneyForNakama train if thats what you want.. I've said what I had to say. I'm tired of this discussion and I need to work a bit before bed,

So long.

Dude, do you realize that based on your system, the scene where Iceburg showed Luffy the Sunny was a better indicator of Franky joining the crew than his flashback with Tom or his role as a shipwright? That's just inane.

 

[Logiko]

Dude, do you realize that based on your system, the scene where Iceburg showed Luffy the Sunny was a better indicator of Franky joining the crew than his flashback with Tom or his role as a shipwright? That's just inane.

That's exactly my point and why the shining Nakama action is above all other parameters. This is the action that links the strawhat with:

- The crew
- The post
- The thematic
- The shonen as a support

Every of the above at the same time. Its like the final glue that put legitimacy on the character. Its made to be amazing or at least extremely usefull for the crew.

So Yes, it is insane. The day I discovered that this action was a pattern not only in manga in general but something put to the extreme in One Piece for each strawhats, I was blown away.

Of course you can argue that this action is not always on the same level of impressiveness, but still, its always here in a way or another. And you know what ? I'm not even sure Oda is doing that on purpose.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

well you know, this all long pointless discussion can be avoided if you guys just use my V4N Nakama Checkbox System

 

[MonsterKaido]

I welcome bonney as new SH.

 

[zoinks0dandelion]

I feel like Luffy would’ve already asked Bonney to join by now if she was planned, Bonney would decline, and join at the end.

 

[Malakhith]

No chance of Bonney joining as the story stands now. She hasn't show anything to help the crew(job) and has no dream.

 

[Sigran101]

That's exactly my point and why the shining Nakama action is above all other parameters. This is the action that links the strawhat with:

- The crew
- The post
- The thematic
- The shonen as a support

Every of the above at the same time. Its like the final glue that put legitimacy on the character. Its made to be amazing or at least extremely usefull for the crew.

So Yes, it is insane. The day I discovered that this action was a pattern not only in manga in general but something put to the extreme in One Piece for each strawhats, I was blown away.

Of course you can argue that this action is not always on the same level of impressiveness, but still, its always here in a way or another. And you know what ? I'm not even sure Oda is doing that on purpose.

I said inane, not insane. Your system is simply stupid, and it has a zero percent succes rate so far. You failed with both Carrot and Momo. How about instead of looking at your 100% fail rate system, we look at how people successfuly predicted nakama in the past?

Franky is a good example since it was a time when people were split between nakama candidates.

The first thing that people looked at was his bond with Ussop and the reveal of him being a shipwright.

The second thing was his flashback. This was the most obvious indicator, and the moment he became considered the frontrunner.

The next thing that he was pushed to the front of the story from the sea train and on, while the other candidate (Paulie) was put on the sidelines. This is where you could have seen Carrot not joining.

The final thing was the moment where Franky lined up alongside the strawhats as they faced down CP9. That was the last piece most holdouts needed.

Nobody was looking for "double nakama links" or "shining nakama actions", and that's why they predicted him correctly. If they used your system, Franky wouldn't have gotten much higher than 50% chance until right before he joined.

 

[Malakhith]

I still think that the two most reliable ways to know if someone will join is the dream and the skillset. Every SH always show what he can do for the crew before joining, even if we don't understand at the time.

Example: Robin showed that she could read poneglyphs and her dream of knowing the true story way before joining. Jinbei showed that he was a skilled helmsman during the events of ID and later when Luffy, Ray and him invaded MF to ring the bell.

And every SH has a dream that will be finished in the EOS. Dreams that are too mundane like travel the world or something like that are not SH material. So between Paulie and Franky, Franky with his dream of building a ship that will travel the world is a way better candidate than Paulie that has no dream.

 

[Logiko]

I said inane, not insane. Your system is simply stupid, and it has a zero percent succes rate so far. You failed with both Carrot and Momo. How about instead of looking at your 100% fail rate system, we look at how people successfuly predicted nakama in the past?

do whatever. There is a time where it pointless to argue with you.

The first thing that people looked at was his bond with Ussop and the reveal of him being a shipwright.

Dude. The first time Franky appeared full on screen is was already semi officialized.

Franky is a good example since it was a time when people were split between nakama candidates.

The first thing that people looked at was his bond with Ussop and the reveal of him being a shipwright.

I was never split concerning Franky, it was pretty obvious when we met him:

That's the problem of people in the fanbase. They are so focused on searching for a candidate that they miss the obvious. It was the same with for each strawhat. Until Jinbe, based on the story if we analyse each character as we analyse them now, it extremely easy to predict them from their introduction. Jinbe is when Oda starts to do things a little bit differently and with more subtilities. So you can expect the next strawhat to be the same (if there is one)

Nobody was looking for "double nakama links" or "shining nakama actions", and that's why they predicted him correctly.

Dude, I only needed one page to predict CarrotforNakama and it was her introduction. In theory I don't need more, its obvious and less subtle than Jinbe. The shining Nakama action was created to make a prediction that will make YOU happy. I don't need any prediction system to tell you that Bonney doesn't have what it take to become a strawhat at least right now. But I need to prove it. That's the methodological approach I choosed with you guys.

Franky wouldn't have gotten much higher than 50% chance until right before he joined

Let's test this: Let's say that we are making the prediction right after Franky's flashback:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% CHECK 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% CHECK 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% 3/4 6%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% CHECK 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% Predictible because he is directly kidnapped by CP9 10%
6. A Tragedy. 11% CHECK 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Half as we can predict because of the drawing 6%
8. The Dream/Desire 13% CHECK 13%
9. The Post. 14% CHECK 14%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% NONE unless** 0%

Franky at the end of his flashback would get 77 %.
**Now because of the flashback you can actually be smart and predict that with the money he gained from the crew, Franky can actually build the amazing ship of his dream. Hence, you can predict the shining Nakama action which propulse Franky at 92%

Meaning that during chapter 358, 79 chapter before he actually joins, you can already pretty much officialized Franky as a future crewmate

I told you. This system works at the condition that you are good at looking at the story.

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Example: Robin showed that she could read poneglyphs and her dream of knowing the true story way before joining. Jinbei showed that he was a skilled helmsman during the events of ID and later when Luffy, Ray and him invaded MF to ring the bell.

Indeed, that's one of my point that people fail to understand here. Oda has ALWAYS setup far in advance the skillsets and thematic of the post for the strawhats. For Jinbe he setup his skills in impel down for them to be revealed during whole cake.

That's why I always says: "Do you have proof of setup of the post in the story, something tangible". And right now, only one character fits that requirement with a skillset created for a specific post setup FAR in advance: Carrot.

 

[Peroroncino]

Today is the day we see Carrot saying yes to becoming queen of Zou in the anime, are you all ready?

 

[Woozles]

I feel like Luffy would’ve already asked Bonney to join by now if she was planned, Bonney would decline, and join at the end.

There's like almost half of the sh that luffy didn't immediately ask to join.

Hell, Luffy didn't even call chopper by his name for most of his arc.

 

[zoinks0dandelion]

There's like almost half of the sh that luffy didn't immediately ask to join.

Hell, Luffy didn't even call chopper by his name for most of his arc.

He immediately asked Zoro, Nami, Sanji, Chopper, and Brook the same day he met them, and they all declined at first.

 

[Sigran101]

do whatever. There is a time where it pointless to argue with you.



Dude. The first time Franky appeared full on screen is was already semi officialized.



I was never split concerning Franky, it was pretty obvious when we met him:

That's the problem of people in the fanbase. They are so focused on searching for a candidate that they miss the obvious. It was the same with for each strawhat. Until Jinbe, based on the story if we analyse each character as we analyse them now, it extremely easy to predict them from their introduction. Jinbe is when Oda starts to do things a little bit differently and with more subtilities. So you can expect the next strawhat to be the same (if there is one)


Dude, I only needed one page to predict CarrotforNakama and it was her introduction. In theory I don't need more, its obvious and less subtle than Jinbe. The shining Nakama action was created to make a prediction that will make YOU happy. I don't need any prediction system to tell you that Bonney doesn't have what it take to become a strawhat at least right now. But I need to prove it. That's the methodological approach I choosed with you guys.



Let's test this: Let's say that we are making the prediction right after Franky's flashback:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% CHECK 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% CHECK 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% 3/4 6%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% CHECK 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% Predictible because he is directly kidnapped by CP9 10%
6. A Tragedy. 11% CHECK 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Half as we can predict because of the drawing 6%
8. The Dream/Desire 13% CHECK 13%
9. The Post. 14% CHECK 14%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% NONE unless** 0%

Franky at the end of his flashback would get 77 %.
**Now because of the flashback you can actually be smart and predict that with the money he gained from the crew, Franky can actually build the amazing ship of his dream. Hence, you can predict the shining Nakama action which propulse Franky at 92%

Meaning that during chapter 358, 79 chapter before he actually joins, you can already pretty much officialized Franky as a future crewmate

I told you. This system works at the condition that you are good at looking at the story.

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Indeed, that's one of my point that people fail to understand here. Oda has ALWAYS setup far in advance the skillsets and thematic of the post for the strawhats. For Jinbe he setup his skills in impel down for them to be revealed during whole cake.

That's why I always says: "Do you have proof of setup of the post in the story, something tangible". And right now, only one character fits that requirement with a skillset created for a specific post setup FAR in advance: Carrot.

The drawing is nothing, and he had no dream until the last moment. He would have had a 52% on your scale until after the post ennies lobby party. That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Logiko]

The drawing is nothing

What the point of foreshadowing things if people don't get it...

and he had no dream until the last momrnt.

His dream is stated in the flashback dude.

He would have had a 52% on your scale until after the post ennies lobby party. That's absolutely ridiculous.

I proved you that its wrong. Don't you care to read sometimes ??

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% CHECK 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% CHECK 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% 3/4 6%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% CHECK 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% Predictible because he is directly kidnapped by CP9 10%
6. A Tragedy. 11% CHECK 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Half as we can predict because of the drawing 6%
8. The Dream/Desire 13% CHECK 13%
9. The Post. 14% CHECK 14%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% NONE unless** 0%

Franky at the end of his flashback would get 77 %.
**Now because of the flashback you can actually be smart and predict that with the money he gained from the crew, Franky can actually build the amazing ship of his dream. Hence, you can predict the shining Nakama action which propulse Franky at 92%

Meaning that during chapter 358, 79 chapter before he actually joins, you can already pretty much officialized Franky as a future crewmate

 

[Sigran101]

What the point of foreshadowing things if people don't get it...



His dream is stated in the flashback dude.

I proved you that its wrong. Don't you care to read sometimes ??

But he doesn't actually say he wants to be the one to sail in until the end. Based in this, his dream is complete at the end of the water 7 saga. No reason to join the strawhats. Again, that drawing does not look enough like Franky to be considered forshadowing.

But none of this really matters because your system has already been proven nonsense by Carrot and Momo.