General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
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Same institutional status means sames institutionnal racism. Because the minks are less researched doesn't means that they are "less hated". The institutional racism of the WG is the same for all races in the One Piece worlds, the fishmen just happen to be more valuable on the slave market.
Lets not try to compare who is more or less hated there.. I have enough of those toxic conversation in the real world.
The systemic racism against non human races is implied by the story. Because it isn't shown doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Fishmen are THE representation, but what the fishmen are living other races are living it as well.
Completely comparable on the contrary.
Yes, because in one case the term is used as a delegitimation tool, in the other its used as a description and nothing else.
Because the word "animal" can be used as a dehumanization tool. There are literally present gov and people that are using this word to justify genocide and war crime.
And in this thread, the word was not used as a description tool but as a delegitimization tool against Carrot (and in the past against Jinbe on other forums). People should know that using this rethoric to delegitimate characters is not normal.
The story of One Piece is specifically created to deliver anti dehumanization messages. So I'm sorry if you feel that I bring this topic a bit too much, but that's precisely what One Piece is about. And when we talk about the potential of a character to join, its always nice to understand that dehumanizing said character is not really "cool".
You do what you want mate.
Like what
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Funny thing is..
This "excitment" you guys are generating (because I'm not the one doing it here, I'm literally making one post per hour) is really revelating of your mindset. I'm seeing the same pattern emerging when I'm talking about a slighly leftist subject in front of a bunch of far rightist in the political thread:
The MOMENT someone says something that question your belief system, its like the rise of the dalek.. You are all attacking as a single hivemind in order to justify your vision or laugh at the vision that is threatening your belief system..
So predictible... and I understand ! Not attacking me would be agreeing that you guys participated in a compagn of harrassment with a lot of sexist and racist bias.. But let's be honest one second, things would be so much easier for you if you started listening honestly to me for once instead of letting your bias speak..
But hey.. If you like freaking out so much...
Case and point...
Same institutional status means sames institutionnal racism. Because the minks are less researched doesn't means that they are "less hated". The institutional racism of the WG is the same for all races in the One Piece worlds, the fishmen just happen to be more valuable on the slave market.
Lets not try to compare who is more or less hated there.. I have enough of those toxic conversation in the real world.
The systemic racism against non human races is implied by the story. Because it isn't shown doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Fishmen are THE representation, but what the fishmen are living other races are living it as well.
Completely comparable on the contrary.
Yes, because in one case the term is used as a delegitimation tool, in the other its used as a description and nothing else.
Because the word "animal" can be used as a dehumanization tool. There are literally present gov and people that are using this word to justify genocide and war crime.
And in this thread, the word was not used as a description tool but as a delegitimization tool against Carrot (and in the past against Jinbe on other forums). People should know that using this rethoric to delegitimate characters is not normal.
The story of One Piece is specifically created to deliver anti dehumanization messages. So I'm sorry if you feel that I bring this topic a bit too much, but that's precisely what One Piece is about. And when we talk about the potential of a character to join, its always nice to understand that dehumanizing said character is not really "cool".
You do what you want mate.
Like what
------------------------------------------
Funny thing is..
This "excitment" you guys are generating (because I'm not the one doing it here, I'm literally making one post per hour) is really revelating of your mindset. I'm seeing the same pattern emerging when I'm talking about a slighly leftist subject in front of a bunch of far rightist in the political thread:
The MOMENT someone says something that question your belief system, its like the rise of the dalek.. You are all attacking as a single hivemind in order to justify your vision or laugh at the vision that is threatening your belief system..
So predictible... and I understand ! Not attacking me would be agreeing that you guys participated in a compagn of harrassment with a lot of sexist and racist bias.. But let's be honest one second, things would be so much easier for you if you started listening honestly to me for once instead of letting your bias speak..
But hey.. If you like freaking out so much...
Case and point...
Yeah and when one guy called minks animals it's also a descrptive term you weirdo.
Jesus Christ it's derogatory towards humans NOT TOWARDS JAPANESE CARTOON ANIMAL PEOPLE.
So what? So did he say Carrot can't join cuse she's just an animal or something? Then you just bring up Chopper, what is this coping.
C4N please tell me if it's wrong in some random manga about Carrots, spinaches, egg plant people to call them vegetables, just as much as you have so much issues with calling the Minks animals.
You are terminally online dude, humans don't have words for dog and cat people because they don't exist, it's a generic description to call them animals.
Jesus Christ it's derogatory towards humans NOT TOWARDS JAPANESE CARTOON ANIMAL PEOPLE.
So what? So did he say Carrot can't join cuse she's just an animal or something? Then you just bring up Chopper, what is this coping.
C4N please tell me if it's wrong in some random manga about Carrots, spinaches, egg plant people to call them vegetables, just as much as you have so much issues with calling the Minks animals.
You are terminally online dude, humans don't have words for dog and cat people because they don't exist, it's a generic description to call them animals.
No
1. Like I said, Minks are NOT animals but only have animals attributes
2. This term was used as a tool of delegitimization to attack Carrot and was therefore completely dehumanizing
No matter how you look at it. Its not cool.
I don't know why I would use dehumanization to counter dehumanization. This was a tools used hundreds of times on this forum and on internet to attack Carrot.
Dehumanization is still dehumanization, I don't care if you are attacking human or fictionnal characters. This rethoric is not cool no matter the context.
If you cared to listen to what I say instead of trying to justify the usage of toxic rethoric, you would understand that words have power.
And words are not the same in different context. A animal might be just a description of a living being, but in the context of an attack, the term "animal" is used as a dehumanization tool. Its therefore the tool of an oppressive ideology.
And again, fallacious comparison. Minks are not animals, they just have animals attributes.
When we talk about a race that is being humanized heavily by the story, using dehumanization rethoric to attack them is not cool. At worse you can laugh about their animals attribute that are played for laugh. But as soon as you use that to attack them, you crross the line of racism and dehumanization.
Me taking this subject so seriously is just a reflection of you guys not thinking about it at all. If people were respectfull at the time, I wouldn't need to bring all that stuff.
But since I'm being attacked and blamed for the toxicity of the members of this thread and the harrassment of Carrot fans, I need to remind people where the responsibility lies.
1. Like I said, Minks are NOT animals but only have animals attributes
2. This term was used as a tool of delegitimization to attack Carrot and was therefore completely dehumanizing
No matter how you look at it. Its not cool.
I don't know why I would use dehumanization to counter dehumanization. This was a tools used hundreds of times on this forum and on internet to attack Carrot.
Dehumanization is still dehumanization, I don't care if you are attacking human or fictionnal characters. This rethoric is not cool no matter the context.
If you cared to listen to what I say instead of trying to justify the usage of toxic rethoric, you would understand that words have power.
And words are not the same in different context. A animal might be just a description of a living being, but in the context of an attack, the term "animal" is used as a dehumanization tool. Its therefore the tool of an oppressive ideology.
And again, fallacious comparison. Minks are not animals, they just have animals attributes.
When we talk about a race that is being humanized heavily by the story, using dehumanization rethoric to attack them is not cool. At worse you can laugh about their animals attribute that are played for laugh. But as soon as you use that to attack them, you crross the line of racism and dehumanization.
Me taking this subject so seriously is just a reflection of you guys not thinking about it at all. If people were respectfull at the time, I wouldn't need to bring all that stuff.
But since I'm being attacked and blamed for the toxicity of the members of this thread and the harrassment of Carrot fans, I need to remind people where the responsibility lies.
They are MINKS
Why do you have such a hard time accepting this ?
They are a humanoid race with animal attribute.
That's all..
And again, humanity is not only a word used to describe our specie, its also used to describe basic good, moral and strong social behaviors.
So yes, when a race is depicted to have strong human behaviors, reducing them to their animal nature is dehumanizing.
So when you attack Carrot by saying "she has no personnality, she is just a dumb rabbit who is only worthy to eat grass".. well.. that's precisely what dehumanization is. And I saw this type of "argumentation" everywhere in the last few years.
Why do you have such a hard time accepting this ?
They are a humanoid race with animal attribute.
That's all..
And again, humanity is not only a word used to describe our specie, its also used to describe basic good, moral and strong social behaviors.
So yes, when a race is depicted to have strong human behaviors, reducing them to their animal nature is dehumanizing.
So when you attack Carrot by saying "she has no personnality, she is just a dumb rabbit who is only worthy to eat grass".. well.. that's precisely what dehumanization is. And I saw this type of "argumentation" everywhere in the last few years.
They are MINKS
Why do you have such a hard time accepting this ?
They are a humanoid race with animal attribute.
That's all..
Why do you have such a hard time accepting this ?
They are a humanoid race with animal attribute.
That's all..
You just deny everything it's amazing
In fact fuck that, Bepo literally is just a polar bear, he has 0 humanoid features. Only some Minks are anthropomorphized, other just look like animals
So the only people who've displayed any sort of hate/predjudicism for the mink people are once again, the villains of the story.
The bad guys
The characters who the reader is supposed to be disgusted towards.
Where in the story did regular citizens or hell even the not good pirates display any racism towards the animal people? ffs Law has one on his crew
This whole plot line you've crafted just straight up didn't happen
So they are animals?
Carrot acts like a rabbit (because she is one)
Wanda acts like a dog (because she is one)
It's literally not derogatory to just call them animal people because that's literally what they are.
And here's the fun part, nobody is gonna get offended by me or anyone doing that. Why? Because it's a story.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHARACTERS ON A PIECE OF PAPER, WHAT TOXICITY?!
Carrot caught heat for a lot of different reasons lmao, if anything her race was extremely minor in the cease pool of problems people had with her.
The bad guys
The characters who the reader is supposed to be disgusted towards.
Where in the story did regular citizens or hell even the not good pirates display any racism towards the animal people? ffs Law has one on his crew
This whole plot line you've crafted just straight up didn't happen
So they are animals?
Carrot acts like a rabbit (because she is one)
Wanda acts like a dog (because she is one)
It's literally not derogatory to just call them animal people because that's literally what they are.
And here's the fun part, nobody is gonna get offended by me or anyone doing that. Why? Because it's a story.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHARACTERS ON A PIECE OF PAPER, WHAT TOXICITY?!
Carrot caught heat for a lot of different reasons lmao, if anything her race was extremely minor in the cease pool of problems people had with her.
Logiko your description of Minks as "humanoid with animal atributes" might actually be offensives towards Minks since it has the underlining assumption that Humans are the default and animals are inferior in some way.
Maybe they would prefer to think of themslves as "animals with some humanoid atributes".
Maybe with this leftist racial type of logic you'll understand
It's potato, potato. Zebras are black with white stripes or white with black stripes (i know one of them is correct that's not the point).
You can call them animals with people characeteristics or humanoids with animal characteristics, some are human like, others are just animals basically, it doesn't matter it's a cartoon with cartoon logic
Maybe they would prefer to think of themslves as "animals with some humanoid atributes".
Maybe with this leftist racial type of logic you'll understand
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It's potato, potato. Zebras are black with white stripes or white with black stripes (i know one of them is correct that's not the point).
You can call them animals with people characeteristics or humanoids with animal characteristics, some are human like, others are just animals basically, it doesn't matter it's a cartoon with cartoon logic
