General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
Uh-huh, about the potential. To join the crew 
Idk about you if you genuinely gave up on Carrot or not but Yamato fans are definitely still on hopium lol.
Idk about you if you genuinely gave up on Carrot or not but Yamato fans are definitely still on hopium lol.
I do not expect for anything, I'm just letting the story carry me now.
Oh my god you guys again with the Carrot and Yamoto shite. Vivi please come save us. 
Or Law, actually. Folks are sleeping on him and I think they shouldn't. He is not a captain anymore and doesn't have a crew, and still denies that Luffy is his friend which gives a room to development in that direction.
Remove Caribou and add Law to the poll.
Or Law, actually. Folks are sleeping on him and I think they shouldn't. He is not a captain anymore and doesn't have a crew, and still denies that Luffy is his friend which gives a room to development in that direction. Remove Caribou and add Law to the poll.
No i don't call that her role, Oda calls it her role, her role is literally to guard Wano, her role is literally being a guardian.
Yes Yamato is pretty competent at her "post", as far as guardian roles she's actually the most competent person given she's stronger than 99% of the verse could go toe to toe with a former Yonko, and is effectively guarding one of the most pwoerfull countries on Earth against admiral level threats.
I'm sorry what Oda wrote for her upsets you, she is literally the strongest guardian figure in the OP verse. So yeah she can guard the ship and no it doesn't have to be constantly.
Yes Yamato is pretty competent at her "post", as far as guardian roles she's actually the most competent person given she's stronger than 99% of the verse could go toe to toe with a former Yonko, and is effectively guarding one of the most pwoerfull countries on Earth against admiral level threats.
I'm sorry what Oda wrote for her upsets you, she is literally the strongest guardian figure in the OP verse. So yeah she can guard the ship and no it doesn't have to be constantly.
I don't see why people think roles on the ship are important "criteria" in the first place. Hear me out. In terms of roles on the ship, firstly we have multiple Strawhats that don't really do anything functional for the crew or ship while sailing, and secondly we have multiple Strawhats that don't really have a role at all. Like, they have one by name, but it's not actually a role:
Cases in point:
Zoro - combatant role. AKA doesn't have a role on the ship. He doesn't even function as a vice-captain or first mate really.
Usopp - 'Sniper' role. Well, Pirate crews don't usually have snipers. He also never does it nor does has this skill ever truly been useful outside of combat situations, when everyone mucks in regardless of role.
Robin - Archaeologist role. Point out how an archaeologist is any use to a Pirate Crew? She's integral to the story, but as a Pirate she doesn't do anything pirate-y at all.
Brook - Musician. Well, technically a legit role on a Pirate Ship it's hardly important compared to things like Captain, Cook, Navigator, Helmsman and Shipwright.
Now in real life there were many other roles on a ship:
Treasurer (in charge of loot/money), Shipguard (protects the ship when docked), Lookout (maintains a post of high visibility), Scout Party (dispatched before main crew), Chief of Staff (typically 3rd in command on a ship, reports to first mate and captain), Cabin Boy (basically an intern), Flag Master (maintains, makes and repairs the flags and sails), Quarter Master (in charge of the ships interior and maintenance/chores), Boatswain (in charge of equipment acquisition and maintenance), Powder Monkey (in charge of storage of weaponry and ammunition), Cooper (in charge or inventory and stock records)
There's loads more.
Now what's my point here? Well, you can look at this and see:
Nami's effectively the treasurer
Usopp is effectively the lookout
Sanji is effectively chief of staff (if we go by the fact Zoro is meant to be but doesnt really function as the first mate)
Franky is effectively the quartermaster, boatswain and powder monkey
Both Sanji and Nami function as the ships coopers
Oda doesn't give a crap about ships roles. He only used them in early one piece to explain why the Strawhats were looking for crewmates.
Cases in point:
Zoro - combatant role. AKA doesn't have a role on the ship. He doesn't even function as a vice-captain or first mate really.
Usopp - 'Sniper' role. Well, Pirate crews don't usually have snipers. He also never does it nor does has this skill ever truly been useful outside of combat situations, when everyone mucks in regardless of role.
Robin - Archaeologist role. Point out how an archaeologist is any use to a Pirate Crew? She's integral to the story, but as a Pirate she doesn't do anything pirate-y at all.
Brook - Musician. Well, technically a legit role on a Pirate Ship it's hardly important compared to things like Captain, Cook, Navigator, Helmsman and Shipwright.
Now in real life there were many other roles on a ship:
Treasurer (in charge of loot/money), Shipguard (protects the ship when docked), Lookout (maintains a post of high visibility), Scout Party (dispatched before main crew), Chief of Staff (typically 3rd in command on a ship, reports to first mate and captain), Cabin Boy (basically an intern), Flag Master (maintains, makes and repairs the flags and sails), Quarter Master (in charge of the ships interior and maintenance/chores), Boatswain (in charge of equipment acquisition and maintenance), Powder Monkey (in charge of storage of weaponry and ammunition), Cooper (in charge or inventory and stock records)
There's loads more.
Now what's my point here? Well, you can look at this and see:
Nami's effectively the treasurer
Usopp is effectively the lookout
Sanji is effectively chief of staff (if we go by the fact Zoro is meant to be but doesnt really function as the first mate)
Franky is effectively the quartermaster, boatswain and powder monkey
Both Sanji and Nami function as the ships coopers
Oda doesn't give a crap about ships roles. He only used them in early one piece to explain why the Strawhats were looking for crewmates.
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"Can" does not mean that they do.
The SHPs are not working together in an efficient manner. We sometimes have instances, where one action of a crew member gave an advantage to another member. But those are seldom. Most times the crew does not use the proficiency of their individual members to the fullest - up until now here in Egghead.
Take care - I only use the word "know" when I am 100% sure that something will happen. So, to counter your "[...] I KNOW that it is not needed.", I say that I KNOW that Rob Lucci will join the SHPs as their strategist/chief of staff.
This means that one of us needs to be wrong - and I'm sure it is not me.
That does not make a strategist as a crew member impossible. The strategist has to take into account the individual cnacks and quirks of each member and work with that - that is all.
Why would I need to explain, why the SHPs can't work together? Why are they not able to work together?
Besides, the need arose many times, as I told you and if you still want to call Jinbe stating that they need someone, who observes, not a hint towards the 11th member, you are actively ignoring Oda forshadowing the last post.
By the way, Jinbe also stated in chapter 894 "Luffy doesn't seem like the type of fellow who can calculate such tactics..." This is the second hint towards the last position on the Sunny. And Jinbe used the word "tactics" not `guide´. This excludes your previous explanation as a possibility.
As I said - Lucci has already strategized for the crew and just needs saving after he will be caught and sentenced to death by the WG.
Prevailing until now does not mean that the need for a strategist is not there. On the contrary.
The SHPs are not working together in an efficient manner. We sometimes have instances, where one action of a crew member gave an advantage to another member. But those are seldom. Most times the crew does not use the proficiency of their individual members to the fullest - up until now here in Egghead.
Take care - I only use the word "know" when I am 100% sure that something will happen. So, to counter your "[...] I KNOW that it is not needed.", I say that I KNOW that Rob Lucci will join the SHPs as their strategist/chief of staff.
This means that one of us needs to be wrong - and I'm sure it is not me.
That does not make a strategist as a crew member impossible. The strategist has to take into account the individual cnacks and quirks of each member and work with that - that is all.
Why would I need to explain, why the SHPs can't work together? Why are they not able to work together?
Besides, the need arose many times, as I told you and if you still want to call Jinbe stating that they need someone, who observes, not a hint towards the 11th member, you are actively ignoring Oda forshadowing the last post.
By the way, Jinbe also stated in chapter 894 "Luffy doesn't seem like the type of fellow who can calculate such tactics..." This is the second hint towards the last position on the Sunny. And Jinbe used the word "tactics" not `guide´. This excludes your previous explanation as a possibility.
As I said - Lucci has already strategized for the crew and just needs saving after he will be caught and sentenced to death by the WG.
Prevailing until now does not mean that the need for a strategist is not there. On the contrary.
You might as well try to argue with a brick wall to move, actually you'd probably have more chances to get the brick wall to listen to reason
It's literally a rare instance where you can actually discuss facts about a show, Yamato is objectively a guardian.
But something something not good enough.
I already knew it was pointless to argue
Of Wano yes.
Competence for a role is not about strenght. It's about the way a character acts in front of adversity.
Not at all, I love Yamato's story.
No sorry, you didn't read or understood what I said if you still think so.
But I've burn my ressources to make you understand so lets agree to disagree.
A post, in One PIece is ALWAYS related to the journey on the sea. So yes, every strawhats have a role that is relevant to the common structure of a ship. Oda is just choosing to extend the post:
Zoro is not really a combattant, he is a first mate.
Usopp is a sniper, but his relation to the sea is related to shooters on boat
Robin is a archeologist. In short, she is a individual on the sea that brings knowledge. On ships during the great explorations areas, there were great explorers and intellectual who were able to understand others and were here either to take or to discover valuable ressources. Robin is playing that role.
Brook is a musician. It IS a legit role on a ship. Weither its important or not is not a question. Not all post needs to be important in theory. But for Luffy its foundamental, so foundamental in fact that he mentionned the post of musician before the rest.
Remember, posts are important in the context of the strawhats and their needs, not in the context of piratery
As for the importances of post, they are FOUNDAMENTAL. Post are literally the extention of the characterization of the strawhats. They are the results of their journey, their stories and their descisions.
Only because of the situations they are placed in.
Those roles are not really part - except for Nami maybe - part of their characterization.
THis is why, even if Usopp or Sanji did the look out, the person in the One Piece universe who is the fittest for the role is Carrot. Simply because this post is literally an extention of her journey, her story and her personnality. Both in base and SUlong form.
If you think that you really don't understand what Oda is writing at all mate.
No. He is still doing that.
When all the strawhats actions leads to the defeats of the antagonists as rapidely as it happens, I consider that teamwork very effective. Even if its chaotic.
Teamwork is not only about that. Its also the capacity to cope with chaos.
Me too.
And you are wrong
:cheers:
What the story shows is that they do. ALways. Even if its chaotic.
Yes it does. At least if we believe that the story of ONe Piece will not transform into something completely different. Oda is very consistant so there is no reason that it changes.
This wouldn't change the fact that the dynamic of the story and the relationship of the crew would be forever changed. This won't happen.
Because if you create a strategist now, there is absolutely NO NEEDS for them to join the strawhat as they are. The strawhats are doing well.
So, for the strawhat to integrate a strategist into their crew, you would need to put them in an horrible situation and make them completely lose there crew dynamic. Which is something that could only be resolved by a strategists..
But that would defeat the purpose and the themes of the strawhats to begin with... so it won't happen.
No. If that was the case, the strawhats would be dead or separated.
What lacked before the new world was strenght, never strategy or team work.
Jinbe was talking about himself.
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It only means that Luffy is chaotic and will never follow plans as they should. Which is furthering my point. Its not an hint.
Like nowhere... Giving an advice to Luffy or the crew is not "strategizing" lol Let's have some respect here.
When you don't make the difference between simple characterization and targeted characterization .. yeah.. its pointless to argue.
Competence for a role is not about strenght. It's about the way a character acts in front of adversity.
Not at all, I love Yamato's story.
No sorry, you didn't read or understood what I said if you still think so.
But I've burn my ressources to make you understand so lets agree to disagree.
A post, in One PIece is ALWAYS related to the journey on the sea. So yes, every strawhats have a role that is relevant to the common structure of a ship. Oda is just choosing to extend the post:
Zoro is not really a combattant, he is a first mate.
Usopp is a sniper, but his relation to the sea is related to shooters on boat
Robin is a archeologist. In short, she is a individual on the sea that brings knowledge. On ships during the great explorations areas, there were great explorers and intellectual who were able to understand others and were here either to take or to discover valuable ressources. Robin is playing that role.
Brook is a musician. It IS a legit role on a ship. Weither its important or not is not a question. Not all post needs to be important in theory. But for Luffy its foundamental, so foundamental in fact that he mentionned the post of musician before the rest.
Remember, posts are important in the context of the strawhats and their needs, not in the context of piratery
As for the importances of post, they are FOUNDAMENTAL. Post are literally the extention of the characterization of the strawhats. They are the results of their journey, their stories and their descisions.
Only because of the situations they are placed in.
Those roles are not really part - except for Nami maybe - part of their characterization.
THis is why, even if Usopp or Sanji did the look out, the person in the One Piece universe who is the fittest for the role is Carrot. Simply because this post is literally an extention of her journey, her story and her personnality. Both in base and SUlong form.
If you think that you really don't understand what Oda is writing at all mate.
No. He is still doing that.
When all the strawhats actions leads to the defeats of the antagonists as rapidely as it happens, I consider that teamwork very effective. Even if its chaotic.
Teamwork is not only about that. Its also the capacity to cope with chaos.
Me too.
And you are wrong
:cheers:
What the story shows is that they do. ALways. Even if its chaotic.
Yes it does. At least if we believe that the story of ONe Piece will not transform into something completely different. Oda is very consistant so there is no reason that it changes.
This wouldn't change the fact that the dynamic of the story and the relationship of the crew would be forever changed. This won't happen.
Because if you create a strategist now, there is absolutely NO NEEDS for them to join the strawhat as they are. The strawhats are doing well.
So, for the strawhat to integrate a strategist into their crew, you would need to put them in an horrible situation and make them completely lose there crew dynamic. Which is something that could only be resolved by a strategists..
But that would defeat the purpose and the themes of the strawhats to begin with... so it won't happen.
No. If that was the case, the strawhats would be dead or separated.
What lacked before the new world was strenght, never strategy or team work.
Jinbe was talking about himself.
896*
It only means that Luffy is chaotic and will never follow plans as they should. Which is furthering my point. Its not an hint.
Like nowhere... Giving an advice to Luffy or the crew is not "strategizing" lol Let's have some respect here.
When you don't make the difference between simple characterization and targeted characterization .. yeah.. its pointless to argue.
Yes guardian of Wano, i think you forgot the crux of the discussion was that you said she had 0 themes of being a guardian, now you're finally accepting that's just not true, since that's literally her role in the story right now
Competence for a being a guardian is quite literally strenght, since the threats will always be physical since this is a battle manga, and she already demonstrated that, by going against Kaido in a fight, which is a tremendous feat for a character in OP.
Under the role of a guardian figure she is literally the most competent guardian in One piece.
That's fine, but you're completly left the territory of arguments and now you're just straight up denying what Oda writes, if Oda gives a character a fruit that's refered to as a guardian diety of Wano, the name of the animal is based on a guardian diety of japanese folkore and then that character becomes effectively a guardian of Wano, then you saying she has no themes of being a guardian is just denial of reality.
Competence for a being a guardian is quite literally strenght, since the threats will always be physical since this is a battle manga, and she already demonstrated that, by going against Kaido in a fight, which is a tremendous feat for a character in OP.
Under the role of a guardian figure she is literally the most competent guardian in One piece.
That's fine, but you're completly left the territory of arguments and now you're just straight up denying what Oda writes, if Oda gives a character a fruit that's refered to as a guardian diety of Wano, the name of the animal is based on a guardian diety of japanese folkore and then that character becomes effectively a guardian of Wano, then you saying she has no themes of being a guardian is just denial of reality.
That changes everything! What!? Especially if the new Paw Fruit user base speed is fast enough it will be as if they are in two places at once. They would experience the same adventure as the others.
Kuma has been shown guarding the Sunny. And it's been shown that Kuma being technically dead is somehow functioning. Kuma's Will is strong. This Will may transfer to the next Paw Fruit user akin to Ace's Will in Sabo. So the point is not Kuma but the next bearer of the Paw Fruit fits the bill of Ship Guard.
That position has not been in an introbox. The term lookout has been rarely used in One Piece IIRC.
Kuma has been shown guarding the Sunny. And it's been shown that Kuma being technically dead is somehow functioning. Kuma's Will is strong. This Will may transfer to the next Paw Fruit user akin to Ace's Will in Sabo. So the point is not Kuma but the next bearer of the Paw Fruit fits the bill of Ship Guard.
That position has not been in an introbox. The term lookout has been rarely used in One Piece IIRC.