General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

Who will be the next SH?

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Uncle Van

Uncle Van

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KidGinbe said:
Im not trying anything but refuting your statements sir. If you feel got, then it is what it is?

He was instigating before the God Knights revealed themselves Van...🤷🏿


Im not even trying to be a jerk here man. You started with the veiled condescension.


I only use the term disingenuous because of the inconsistencies with the current arguments how it coincides with prior recruiting patterns. My apologies if it offended you.
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My guy, the "issue" here is that you strawmanned me to hell and kept addressing a non-existent argument, despite me never saying or implying it. I never once said or implied that Loki is too strong for the SHs to handle, and the lack of even the slightest implication puts your tactics into question. You even kept doubling down and used it to claim I'm changing goalpost. You don't refute arguments by attacking points that never existed lol. A new SH cannot be stronger than Sanji, and everything is pointing to Loki being stronger. It is so simple.

You are just nakama debator #3677 or something man. What you are doing is nothing new lol
 
Sigran101

Sigran101

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Uncle Van said:
Oda even double down on the wings a few chapters ago infront of Loki. I question anyone who tries to make the anti-Loki arguments seem like something they're not. It is unbelievably direct and in your face what the point is.

All evidences points to Loki being a top tier, which would at least make him stronger than Sanji which is a red flag, as there is no objective reason to claim Oda will break the M3 dynamic after pushing it for 20+ yeats and recently doubling down on it twice.

They gotta prove that either Loki isn't thag powerful, that Sanji will surpass top tier Loki in Elbaph, or that Loki is so special that Oda will break the M3 dynamic. So simple.



It wasn't a strawman. I was speaking in general like you were. My last line was directed at you saying what was insane. And also, I never said Loki is yonkou level, something thag doesnt even exist. And you have no proof that Gaban didnt do anything.

1) Gaban said no one could stop Loki until Shanks showed up
2) Gaban didnt want Loki freed until he was convinced Luffy and Zoro were up to the task
3) Gaban vouches for Loki's strength being a worthy replacement for him

There is far more evidence via statements suggesting that Loki is top tier, and none right now that suggest he's anything less.
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I don't have to prove Gaban didn't fight Loki. The burden of proof is on you since you're the one claiming he did. And the only evidence you have is speculation/headcannon. And for all we know, Gaban just meant that Loki also has CoC so he can damage the holy knights. None of what you're saying makes Loki a top tier. We will only find out if he is or not once he starts fighting. But even if he is, that won't convince me he's not joining since Oda makes characters as strong as they need to be whenever he wants. If Luffy can go from a draw with handicapped Katakuri to beating Kaido 1v1 in one arc, Zoro and Sanji can definitely become top tiers in Elbaf if Oda wants them to.

I never said you said Loki was yonko level. Others have said that. You're the one who responded specifically to my post, which directs the comments at me, but now I get that wasn't your intention.
 
Uncle Van

Uncle Van

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Sigran101 said:
I don't have to prove Gaban didn't fight Loki. The burden of proof is on you since you're the one claiming he did. And the only evidence you have is speculation/headcannon. And for all we know, Gaban just meant that Loki also has CoC so he can damage the holy knights. None of what you're saying makes Loki a top tier. We will only find out if he is or not once he starts fighting. But even if he is, that won't convince me he's not joining since Oda makes characters as strong as they need to be whenever he wants. If Luffy can go from a draw with handicapped Katakuri to beating Kaido 1v1 in one arc, Zoro and Sanji can definitely become top tiers in Elbaf if Oda wants them to.

I never said you said Loki was yonko level. Others have said that. You're the one who responded specifically to my post, which directs the comments at me, but now I get that wasn't your intention.
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I never said Gaban fought Loki(lots of "I never said" in this debate lol), and Gaban fighting Loki or not isn't the point. Gaban said Loki was rampaging and no one was able to stop him until Shanks showed up. The moment to emphasize that Loki is so dangerous, as it took Shanks to stop Loki when beforehand, no one else on Elbaph could. Gaban even eanred Luffy that he doesnt know the power Loki has. It implies that Gaban wouldn't have been able to stop Loki, especially seeing how he didnt want Luffy freeing Loki, even saying the wicked dares not to free him, until he was convinced Luffy was up to the task.

Everyone points to Loki being above Sanji, or Sanji strong enough that needing Shanks to stop him is adequate strength portrayal? Until it is proven that Sanji is stronger, or will be stronger before Loki joins, Loki isn't joining.
 
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