General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
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Gaban warned Luffy of Loki's power and said it wasn't a good idea to free Loki. He emphasized that it took Shanks to capture Loki cause no one else in Elbaph could, and Gaban himself lives in Elbaph. Gaban even vouched for Loki's strength later. How can you interpret this any different? Loki's strength was repeatedly emphasized, and even Shanks was used for that purpose.
We KNOW that Sanji isn'ta top tier. Gaban's repeated statements gave us a clear general idea of how strong Loki is, which is a top tier. It is no different as to how we had no idea how strong Roger was until the narrative told us he was equal to Primebeard, which gave us a general idea of it.
As long as Loki remains stronger than Sanji, he isn't going anywhere. Sanji has to be stronger. Simple as that. I gave you evidence that it is clearly not speculation that Loki is that powerful(stronger than Sanji), and asked you if Sanji warrants such statements like Loki but you ignored them.
Gaban warned Luffy of Loki's power and said it wasn't a good idea to free Loki. He emphasized that it took Shanks to capture Loki cause no one else in Elbaph could, and Gaban himself lives in Elbaph. Gaban even vouched for Loki's strength later. How can you interpret this any different? Loki's strength was repeatedly emphasized, and even Shanks was used for that purpose.
We KNOW that Sanji isn'ta top tier. Gaban's repeated statements gave us a clear general idea of how strong Loki is, which is a top tier. It is no different as to how we had no idea how strong Roger was until the narrative told us he was equal to Primebeard, which gave us a general idea of it.
As long as Loki remains stronger than Sanji, he isn't going anywhere. Sanji has to be stronger. Simple as that. I gave you evidence that it is clearly not speculation that Loki is that powerful(stronger than Sanji), and asked you if Sanji warrants such statements like Loki but you ignored them.
Sad thing is they're actually trying to pretend like we don't have a good scaling for Loki despite not actually fighting on screen.
The lowest lowball you could argue for him is YC1 and anything below is trolling. Problem with this logic however is why did Shanks feel the need to get involved for a mere commander level person and not Beckman? Why didn't Gaban just deal with him if he's not that strong?
In reality, Loki clearly scales anywhere between admiral-low yonko level lol
Let's also forget about him ripping the head off a grizzly bear as a baby after tanking a fall that would have killed Harjurdin as an adult, then as a kid basically did a Kaido and had enough strength to eat a hit from Xebec (who was using haki). Loki had Yonko level potential straight out of the womb.
Not even Luffy showed that level of promise lmao
The lowest lowball you could argue for him is YC1 and anything below is trolling. Problem with this logic however is why did Shanks feel the need to get involved for a mere commander level person and not Beckman? Why didn't Gaban just deal with him if he's not that strong?
In reality, Loki clearly scales anywhere between admiral-low yonko level lol
Let's also forget about him ripping the head off a grizzly bear as a baby after tanking a fall that would have killed Harjurdin as an adult, then as a kid basically did a Kaido and had enough strength to eat a hit from Xebec (who was using haki). Loki had Yonko level potential straight out of the womb.
Not even Luffy showed that level of promise lmao
Okay, I'm not going to bother continuing this since the crux of your argument is just a different interpretation of one line than I have. Not much of a point to this. I'll just leave it by saying I do agree he's certainly stronger than current Sanji, but if Sanji gets CoC like Oda's been teasing, his power is going to really spike.
I don't believe in a yonko or admiral level; there's only top tier and its variations. With Loki, all we know is that Shanks dealt with him, and that Luffy can too. An arc before, it was established that Luffy dealing with Kizaru has no guaranteed outcome, but the outcome with Loki is clear with Luffy being able to beat him up.
If Loki is that strong(as strong as Luffy or Kizaru), then it's almost impossible for Sanji to surpass him in Elbaph lol. It would require Sanji to become way stronger than Zoro is now.
If Loki is that strong(as strong as Luffy or Kizaru), then it's almost impossible for Sanji to surpass him in Elbaph lol. It would require Sanji to become way stronger than Zoro is now.
They absolutely do if we're running out of roles to give people to justify people joining this late into the game and we got start stepping on Zoro's toes to do it. Literally what role would he even have? The torcher? Does Luffy need a torcher? Or is he just big strong guy with a hammer? We already have big strong guy on the crew. His name is Zoro.
Timing - Yamato appeared in the middle of an arc few years ago, Loki appeared in the intro of an arc, after few years. We already have an whole arc between them .
Dream - Yamato dream was to become oden and travel. Loki's dream is to get the world - which could symbolically be tied to WG and Luffy's dream
Acceptance - Yamato was welcomed by Wano residents which became a reason she stayed to protect wano.
Loki is not welcomed by anyone in Elbaph. No one wants him.
Character portrayal - Yamato did get decent screen time for her character to fleshed out.
We hardly got some backstory on kid Loki and we are still a long way to get Loki totally fleshed out as Elbaph will go on for a quite a time.
Introduction and importance- Yamato was introduced for the first time in the middle of wano.
Loki was introduced or first brought up during WCI. And, Usopp dream ties with Giants.
They are two contextually different situations.
Not everything has to be seen with strict lense of power levels "only" because oda doesn't.
So, how Loki joining contradicts zoro as first mate?
Dream - Yamato dream was to become oden and travel. Loki's dream is to get the world - which could symbolically be tied to WG and Luffy's dream
Acceptance - Yamato was welcomed by Wano residents which became a reason she stayed to protect wano.
Loki is not welcomed by anyone in Elbaph. No one wants him.
Character portrayal - Yamato did get decent screen time for her character to fleshed out.
We hardly got some backstory on kid Loki and we are still a long way to get Loki totally fleshed out as Elbaph will go on for a quite a time.
Introduction and importance- Yamato was introduced for the first time in the middle of wano.
Loki was introduced or first brought up during WCI. And, Usopp dream ties with Giants.
They are two contextually different situations.
Not everything has to be seen with strict lense of power levels "only" because oda doesn't.
So, how Loki joining contradicts zoro as first mate?
Because he'd be much stronger than him and the whole concept of being second in command would be lost. You wouldn't even be able to call Zoro #2 in good faith without doing mental gymnastics (Loki is injured ect)
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If Zoro gaining the ability the ability to control his CoC unlocked a massive power-up that put him definitively in top tier bracket and above Loki. Then Zoro's position wouldn't be in jeopardy. The problem at that point would be Sanji. Sanji going from YC2 to top tier is insanity, and basically confirms everybody that's CoC less is worthless.
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If Zoro gaining the ability the ability to control his CoC unlocked a massive power-up that put him definitively in top tier bracket and above Loki. Then Zoro's position wouldn't be in jeopardy. The problem at that point would be Sanji. Sanji going from YC2 to top tier is insanity, and basically confirms everybody that's CoC less is worthless.
