General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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@CarrotForNakama why do you keep asking for panels of Carrot saying she wants to go back to Zou? Since she never said she wants to stay with the strawhats in the first place, the burden of proof is on you. She didn't say goodbye to Wanda because she planned on coming back. She never said anything to the contrary. We don't have to prove that she's NOT going to change her mind. You have to prove that she is.
Wrong. The affirmation was: Carrot will go back to Zou.
Looking at the story, nothing is hintting us that way and in fact much of the storylines are showing the opposite. It is therefore an extraordinary claim not aligned with the status of the story.
So the burden of Proof is not on me, but on the one who states that Carrot will stay on Zou.
That's never mentionned in the story, I will need a precise panel for that. There is no proof that Carrot is planning on returning to Zou right now.
Exactly so now you will have to show me how CHopper's beaten ennemyies are relevant on that matter
Looking at the story, nothing is hintting us that way and in fact much of the storylines are showing the opposite. It is therefore an extraordinary claim not aligned with the status of the story.
So the burden of Proof is not on me, but on the one who states that Carrot will stay on Zou.
That's never mentionned in the story, I will need a precise panel for that. There is no proof that Carrot is planning on returning to Zou right now.
Exactly so now you will have to show me how CHopper's beaten ennemyies are relevant on that matter
No and yes.
No the storytelling is actually in synch with what I'm saying but yes, the storytelling is also telling you to look at Yamato...
.. to surprise you even more later ;)
chapter 826 is a proof that Carrot had NO idea of what her future was going to be. So no. She had no real plan. And the story is showing us that her plan has actually been completely oblirated at this point.
Carrot is someone who took the sea thinking she was going on a fun adventure.
What she lived was not just a fun adventure but the most exciting moment of her life. The story is showing us that Carrot is LOVING those moment.
So thinking that Carrot would want to go back to Zou where none of those moments happens.. is a complete ignorance of her characterization.
How can you know that ? Did you see Chopper beat a BB pirates already ?
Funny enough, you may not be so far from the reality "oda did developped Tama a lot in the beginning for a reason but I wouldn't call that a "subversion" for the rest of the story.
No the storytelling is actually in synch with what I'm saying but yes, the storytelling is also telling you to look at Yamato...
.. to surprise you even more later ;)
chapter 826 is a proof that Carrot had NO idea of what her future was going to be. So no. She had no real plan. And the story is showing us that her plan has actually been completely oblirated at this point.
Carrot is someone who took the sea thinking she was going on a fun adventure.
What she lived was not just a fun adventure but the most exciting moment of her life. The story is showing us that Carrot is LOVING those moment.
So thinking that Carrot would want to go back to Zou where none of those moments happens.. is a complete ignorance of her characterization.
How can you know that ? Did you see Chopper beat a BB pirates already ?
Funny enough, you may not be so far from the reality "oda did developped Tama a lot in the beginning for a reason but I wouldn't call that a "subversion" for the rest of the story.
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It doesn't matter if she didn't know what she was getting herself into. She packed food for one day. She planned to be home the next day, plain and simple. You have to prove that her characterization shows she will change her mind. Just because you think your argument is bulletproof doesn't shift the burden of proof.
#Johnny&Yosaku4Nakama
The evidence is clear, there can be no debate:
The evidence is clear, there can be no debate:
- Called everyone on the crew brothers/sister, so clearly has a familial bond with everyone
- Were naturally drawn to the role of being ship guards, seen when they stayed on the ship while everyone else was on the Baratie
- Oda's a genius by having two ship guards be introduced in the previous arc, clearly foreshadowing that two ship guards will join. Even more than that, the two were brothers, just like how Johnny and Yosaku call everyone brothers.
- Oda's real 5D chess, giga-brain, Illuminati level narrative logic by having the two disappear for almost 600 chapters, have them reappear in the chapter 624 cover story because he wants to remind us that they still exist, and then have them disappear again because he's clearly setting them up to be the ones to watch Luffy defeat Blackbeard and join after that.
- The foreshadowing is so obvious I shouldn't even have to tell you: Blackbeard has two DFs and there are two of them. Need I say more? Sure there might be arc important characters that are around and do more than those two, but Johnny and Yosaku are clearly story important and will be the ones who have a deep connection to Blackbeard.
- If it doesn't happen, then that just shows Oda's brilliance because he's actually setting them up to be the ones to see Luffy go gear 6th. The real foreshadowing makes perfect sense: Johnny has ni in his name, ni=2; Yosaku has yo, yo=4; 2+4=6, so obviously they're really being set up to see gear 6 and that clearly means they'll join.
- The foreshadowing is so obvious I shouldn't even have to tell you: Blackbeard has two DFs and there are two of them. Need I say more? Sure there might be arc important characters that are around and do more than those two, but Johnny and Yosaku are clearly story important and will be the ones who have a deep connection to Blackbeard.
Not only is (Gomu)56 -> 29 when you flip it over which fills in the last two numbers of the number theory, the Kanji for 29 is “二九” which is awfully similar to “ニカ” the name of Luffy’s devil fruit. 2(二) is read as “Ni” and 9(九) as Kyu/Ku but the Kanji for 9 looks like “カ” which is pronounced “Ka” hence the reading “Nika”. Keep in mind that Oda is already aware of the Devil Fruit theory and like you said everyone expects Nikyu/Niku/Fuku etc. so the above is a very witty alternative.
Hancock:
Pistol Kiss, Slave Arrow, Perfume Femur
Kuzan:
Ice Block: Pheasant Beak, Ice Age, Ice Time, Ice Block: Partisan
Monet:
Kamakura Jussoshi, Yuki Gaki, Mannen Yuki, Tabira Yuki: Hada Gatana, Yuki Rabi, Fubuki
Doflamingo:
Parasite, Sora no Michi, Goshikito, Overheat, Tamaito, Black Knight, Torikago, Fulbright, Kumo no Sugaki, Itonoko
Vivi:
Miwaku no Memai Dance, Peacock String Slasher: Runback
Lucci:
Rankyaku Hyobi, Tobu Shigan: Bachi, Seimei Kikan: Kami-e Bunshin, Tekkai Utsugi, Sai Dai Rin: Rokuougan
Wiper:
Burn Bazooka, Reject
Perona:
Negative Hollow, Mini Hollow: Ghost Rap, Toku Hollow: Kamikaze Rap
Smoker:
White Snake, White Bind, White Blow, White Out
Ace:
Enkai, Higan, Hiken, Hotarubi, Kagero, Enjomo, Jujika, Shinka: Shiranui, Kyokaen, Dai Enkai: Entei
Pistol Kiss, Slave Arrow, Perfume Femur
Kuzan:
Ice Block: Pheasant Beak, Ice Age, Ice Time, Ice Block: Partisan
Monet:
Kamakura Jussoshi, Yuki Gaki, Mannen Yuki, Tabira Yuki: Hada Gatana, Yuki Rabi, Fubuki
Doflamingo:
Parasite, Sora no Michi, Goshikito, Overheat, Tamaito, Black Knight, Torikago, Fulbright, Kumo no Sugaki, Itonoko
Vivi:
Miwaku no Memai Dance, Peacock String Slasher: Runback
Lucci:
Rankyaku Hyobi, Tobu Shigan: Bachi, Seimei Kikan: Kami-e Bunshin, Tekkai Utsugi, Sai Dai Rin: Rokuougan
Wiper:
Burn Bazooka, Reject
Perona:
Negative Hollow, Mini Hollow: Ghost Rap, Toku Hollow: Kamikaze Rap
Smoker:
White Snake, White Bind, White Blow, White Out
Ace:
Enkai, Higan, Hiken, Hotarubi, Kagero, Enjomo, Jujika, Shinka: Shiranui, Kyokaen, Dai Enkai: Entei
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