General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[dizzy2341]

For this, I was referring to Oden's flashback. Higurashi referred to Yamata-No-Orochi as giving Orochi the power to be Shogun, but it was never followed up on:

So my speculation is that this fruit is in the same class as Okuchi-No-Makami.

Ah, I forget about that statement. Fair point. I still think it refers to the fact that devil fruits in general are strong. No less a mythical zoan. But you could be right.

This also bothers me, because if he wants people to think Yamato is joining, he's not doing a very good job. The non-Japanese community is already pretty split on the chances, but the Japanese community matters much more, and the general consensus there is that Yamato won't join. It was mixed before the last few chapters, but the guardian role hits close to home for Japanese people. The Inu-Inu fruit also violates the 2929 rule, which most people took to be a flag that Yamato can't be a Strawhat.

The reason I and the Japanese community are united in Yamao not joining has little to do with whether she was intended to be a red herring. Figuring out which way round the herring is facing depends on what Oda was trying to make you think. Whilst there are many reasons one might pick up on that could cause them to believe Yamao won't join, the idea that Oda is very clearly trying to put into people's heads is that Yamao will join.

All the reasons to suggest she won't join come from subtext, looking at relationships and general understanding of context and Oda's storytelling. Whilst the biggest reasons to suggest she will join are the surface level statements where she plainly states that she expects to sail with Luffy. A lot of people genuinely think like "Yamao said she will sail with Luffy...Therefore Yamao will sail with Luffy." Completely disregarding the fact that they're reading a story and it's a part of the author's job to deceive and mislead you to keep the story fresh and interesting.

Stuff like the number theory, knowing the ending of the myth of the Makami, analysing "nakama criteria"... These are all things the average reader just doesn't know or do. Those are the people Oda's generally writing to mislead since not everyone is going to fall for a red herring.

 

[Hapistance]

Yamato4Nakama haters never fail to make me laugh... Reminds me so much of Jinbe4Nakama haters...

You even have the same nonsense arguments.

Also lol trying to find conscious anywhere how desperate and pathetic can you be @dizzy2341

See you havn't changed much since Oro and just as back there you are just as dumb.

 

[dizzy2341]

You even have the same nonsense arguments.

Also lol trying to find conscious anywhere how desperate and pathetic can you be @dizzy2341

See you havn't changed much since Oro and just as back there you are just as dumb.

You finished crying over a children's comic yet, or have you got a bit more to let out?

 

[Hapistance]

You finished crying over a children's comic yet, or have you got a bit more to let out?

Not really crying just sorta see you continue to just have your head up your own ass some people never change.

I mean i guess your old Niji avatar made sense.

 

[Roosta]

The reason I and the Japanese community are united in Yamao not joining has little to do with whether she was intended to be a red herring. Figuring out which way round the herring is facing depends on what Oda was trying to make you think. Whilst there are many reasons one might pick up on that could cause them to believe Yamao won't join, the idea that Oda is very clearly trying to put into people's heads is that Yamao will join.

All the reasons to suggest she won't join come from subtext, looking at relationships and general understanding of context and Oda's storytelling. Whilst the biggest reasons to suggest she will join are the surface level statements where she plainly states that she expects to sail with Luffy. A lot of people genuinely think like "Yamao said she will sail with Luffy...Therefore Yamao will sail with Luffy." Completely disregarding the fact that they're reading a story and it's a part of the author's job to deceive and mislead you to keep the story fresh and interesting.

Stuff like the number theory, knowing the ending of the myth of the Makami, analysing "nakama criteria"... These are all things the average reader just doesn't know or do. Those are the people Oda's generally writing to mislead since not everyone is going to fall for a red herring.

But this still begs the question: what's the point of Yamato? Onigashima has given Yamato more focus than every character besides Luffy, and yet Yamato hasn't done anything that other characters couldn't have done. Is Oda really just warping the climax of his most ambitious arc around this character as a nakama gotcha?

 

[dizzy2341]

Not really crying just sorta see you continue to just have your head up your own ass some people never change

*Continues to cry*

Well @Roosta the healthy, reasonable and honest discussion was fun while it lasted. Unfortunately the children found the thread again. The resident keyboard warriors that don't know how to converse like normal people and so resort to ape noises and shit slinging.

But this still begs the question: what's the point of Yamato? Onigashima has given Yamato more focus than every character besides Luffy, and yet Yamato hasn't done anything that other characters couldn't have done. Is Oda really just warping the climax of his most ambitious arc around this character as a nakama gotcha?

Wouldn't be surprised if she only recently came to Oda's mind for the main purpose of helping clean up the Wano plot. Someone to dump exposition. Someone to explain certain loose ends. An opportunity to develop Momo, Kaido, Oden, Ace and Luffy all in one.

The nakama red herring would just be an added bonus. We know that Oda is very good at working with characters on the fly. And with just how much of her is derivative from other characters, it really wouldn't be a huge shock if she was only recently created. It would explain how she had zero foreshadowing or hints.

 

[Roosta]

Well @Roosta the healthy, reasonable and honest discussion was fun while it lasted. Unfortunately the children found the thread again. The resident keyboard warriors that don't know how to converse like normal people and so resort to ape noises and shit slinging.

Someone else is talking? Maybe I blocked it out...

Wouldn't be surprised if she only recently came to Oda's mind for the main purpose of helping clean up the Wano plot. Someone to dump exposition. Someone to explain certain loose ends. An opportunity to develop Momo, Kaido, Oden, Ace and Luffy all in one.

The nakama red herring would just be an added bonus. We know that Oda is very good at working with characters on the fly. And with just how much of her is derivative from other characters, it really wouldn't be a huge shock if she was only recently created. It would explain how she had zero foreshadowing or hints.

It could be this, but I have to believe that Oda has had this planned for a lot longer. Yamato is part of Kaido's main plan, which I would say means that the character has been in mind since Kaido's plan was decided on. I'll hold out hope that Oda has something good in store still.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

You even have the same nonsense arguments.

Of course I have lots of it, everyone does... But I have to admit that I'm not as funny as the majority...

 

[dizzy2341]

Someone else is talking? Maybe I blocked it out...

Smart. You're not missing anything lmao.

It could be this, but I have to believe that Oda has had this planned for a lot longer. Yamato is part of Kaido's main plan, which I would say means that the character has been in mind since Kaido's plan was decided on. I'll hold out hope that Oda has something good in store still.

Kaido wants Yamao to maintain Wano for him. AFAIK it's not a role that is absolutely essential Yamao does. It just seems like he wants her to do it because it could be easier with the superstitious Wano citizens.

Whilst it's an important role, it could ultimately be done by any of his calamities if need be. Yamao doesn't actually drive the plot. She just reacts to it. She falls in safely in line with what you'd expect from her character. Filling in missing gaps nice and neatly. She doesn't have moments like Momo's in this chapter where everything could potentially change as a result of him ageing up.

It's more like "Oh we need someone to stall Kaido for a few chapters? Perfect. Yamao, you're strong, up you go." The focus of the story isn't on Yamao vs Kaido because we all know it's just the ice cream at the interval. Sandwiched between Luffy's rounds. Like Doffy vs Viola but with a less developed relationship.

 

[Hapistance]

Hey I'm calling a spade a spade you never changed from your orojackson days @dizzy2341 hell people who were back there can say as much

@Garp the Fist can testify to that.

I have no pretense calling you out for your head being so far up your own ass you can see it.

You have always been intellectually dishonest, always had poor literature comprehension (go back to your stuff on Oro with Germa and oohhh man its bad), etc.

You can act like your above this but your not, you act like your just so proud and smarter then a bunch.

Which makes the all the more hilarious that you think you were being picked on or whatever when people call you out on the site or @ you.

Because you do nothing but bring this upon yourself with the holier then though, smarter nonsesne you have always been about since the Orojackson you put yourself on such a pedestal that when egg falls on your face with shit you pull of course people are gonna fling shit at you.

You think the site or Yamato fans here in gereral are out to get you or really waste space in there heads on you not really its just a cheap yuk or joke then people move with there day, but looking at the man who tried to argue Nami Zeus Climatact as a point and tried to argue it it sees like your the one whos brain is occupied with this shit.

You have to waste time coming up with an argument that ass.

You @dizzy2341 just pathetic poster on this site who thinks there better then others/smarter when you really are not, you think your hot shit but your just cold diarrhea in a dixie cup (and thats just a venture Brothers clip) and has a grasp on media to the level of cinema sins.

I mean you act like there reasonable conversations to be had but

I mean shit only reason I'm responding is just cause its bored Saturday here, cause for the most part I don't post here because just like oro this site is bad and so bad for One Piece discourse its toxic.

The only advice I would give to this site is just ignore you and for you to ignore other cause this back and forth yee yee bullshit is so tired and pathetic, it the equalivlent of just Zoro vs Sanji nonsense a virtual pissing contest only that much sadder

But thats what Oro was and its the same here, honestly I should have not expected the site to have changed in anyway, same people same shit.

So yeah I'll pretty much be leaving I don't really have much reason to be on this site, its a hateful toxic site.

I'll just head to greener pastures/sites it will be somewhere where you couldn't follow because just of who you are and how toxic you are you be banned

 

[dizzy2341]

Yikes... Yeah forget crying, this is a mental illness. Hope you find the help you need and remember that when you close your laptop, I'm not there anymore.

 

[Un-amed]

Yamato4Nakama haters never fail to make me laugh... Reminds me so much of Jinbe4Nakama haters...

Dizzy could have been soo hater here, but show me just a disrespect to the character on the last conversation...
Saying she won't join isn't hate..

 

[Queek Hea D Taker]

This thread will be so much fun when Yamato officially joins.

 

[YouReadItWrong]

This thread will be so much fun when Yamato officially joins.

"You're seeing quite far into the future!"

- Charlotte Katakuri

 

[Roo]

Wano Panel Time (909-1021):

Spoiler

>1. Luffy: 1152
>2. Zoro: 622
>3. Kin'emon: 560
>4. Kaido: 532
>5. Oden: 428
>6. Kiku: 409
>7. Sanji: 362
>8. Nami: 331
>9. Kawamatsu: 327
>10. Momo: 325
>11. Linlin: 323
>12. Tama: 298
>13. Law: 270
>14. Queen: 268
>15. Orochi: 260
>16. Denjiro: 255
>17. Raizo: 250
>18. Hyogoro: 247
>18. Shinobu: 247
>20. Hiyori: 243
>21. Usopp: 240
>22. Robin: 231
>23. Ashura: 230
>24. Franky: 229
>25. Chopper: 222
>26. Inu: 221
>27. Kanjuro: 213
>28. Kid: 196
>29. Yamato: 190
>30. Neko: 185
>31. Brook: 146
>32. Ulti: 143
>33. Jinbe: 129
>33. Killer: 129
>35. Hawkins: 126
>36. Marco: 121
>37. Yasu: 118
>38. Black Maria: 112
>39. Page One: 109
>40. Toko: 105
>41. Sasaki: 103
>42. Drake: 98
>42. Izo: 98
>44. Onimaru: 97
>45. Who's Who: 91
>46. Toki: 89
>47. King: 86
>48. Roger: 83
>48. Carrot: 83
>50. Apoo: 79

Yeah... Carrot is not joining.

the biggest travesty is how low Kid is in that list

 

[Rootbeer]

I’d be even more interested in seeing what exactly those few panels are.

Because I suspect for the majority of them she’s basically just sitting about in the background saying generically cheerful things

Or just sitting in the background and saying nothing at all..

 

[Beerbottle]

You @dizzy2341 just pathetic poster on this site who thinks there better then others/smarter when you really are not, you think your hot shit but your just cold diarrhea in a dixie cup (and thats just a venture Brothers clip) and has a grasp on media to the level of cinema sins.

Is this a way to talk to someone I wonder? Hm... Well I think you ought to curb your tongue a little

 

[Sakura no Hiluluk]

But this still begs the question: what's the point of Yamato? Onigashima has given Yamato more focus than every character besides Luffy, and yet Yamato hasn't done anything that other characters couldn't have done. Is Oda really just warping the climax of his most ambitious arc around this character as a nakama gotcha?

To not become the next Kurozumi.

Wano's gone to shit because its people expanded their vengeance on innocents (Orochi, his parents and Kanjuro's). If they hadn't, the Kurozumi wouldn't have had so much hatred toward it. One of the subtext of Wano is that people must learn to let go of grudges, not live with it all the time like Orochi's does, and that one must not be held accountable for their parent's crimes.

Yamato's the son of Kaido. That alone will accrue a lot of bad will toward him; and there will also be the servants of orochi who lived large while the rest of Wano suffered. Those peoples will be in danger of being severely punished and their family with them. Momo must show the way to his peoples and teach them to forgive them, to not extand to the innocents the sins of the guilties.

If Yamato satys on Wano, it'll be to highlight that Wano has "opened up", that the natives are able to stop their bloody feuds.

 

[Roosta]

To not become the next Kurozumi.

Wano's gone to shit because its people expanded their vengeance on innocents (Orochi, his parents and Kanjuro's). If they hadn't, the Kurozumi wouldn't have had so much hatred toward it. One of the subtext of Wano is that people must learn to let go of grudges, not live with it all the time like Orochi's does, and that one must not be held accountable for their parent's crimes.

Yamato's the son of Kaido. That alone will accrue a lot of bad will toward him; and there will also be the servants of orochi who lived large while the rest of Wano suffered. Those peoples will be in danger of being severely punished and their family with them. Momo must show the way to his peoples and teach them to forgive them, to not extand to the innocents the sins of the guilties.

If Yamato satys on Wano, it'll be to highlight that Wano has "opened up", that the natives are able to stop their bloody feuds.

This does make sense, but it also seems redundant, as most people think that this will be Tama. Tama the Kurozumi working with Momo the Kozuki, healing the wounds of the past.

 

[Roo]

Nah I don’t think it’s that complicated, Yamato is just a reflection of Momo from the villains side. A kid with a separate will from his father who took on appearances from their fathers enemy. Yamato wishes to become Oden while Momo literally can become a dragon

In a sense Momo is the son Kaido always wanted, while Yamato would be a person that could continue Oden’s legacy of sea traveling