General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

You sure this isn’t you? Because everybody here can see clearly what you said. You clearly said “One I’m COMPARING here is one Robin did before she joined…” etc. etc. “Those are fact and the COMPARISONS are clear.”

I’m here 100% copy pasting what you said, no more no less.

You were the one who compared them and now you’re saying you were only listing the moments, not to compare them? And you’re denying that what you admitted just now is literally what moving goalposts is? Man, lowering that ego ain’t gonna kill you

Oh I see.. You don't understand that when I say that "I'm comparing the moments" I mean listing Robin and Carrot's moments.

Understandable.. and I stand by everything I said ;)

But the problem is that what you are trying to do, is comparing those moments between them. In other words you don't understand that you shouldn't compare the value of those moment, you only need to list them.

But I guess that you won't understand that either.. as your whole purpose here.. is not to have an intelligent conversation, but to be provocative.

I already read it and COMPLETE DISAGREE saying that she should join because she can jump high like when was jumping high was an issue in one piece?

I already explained that here:

THE LOOK-OUT

This is the passive part of the sentry post. The look-out side is all about observation. Without a good job as a look-out, the sentinel would be ineffective. Maybe even more so that the sentinel part, the look-out part is primordial. The look-out on the ship is the one who spots threats from a long distance. The look-out must spot Islands rapidly but also ships and threats, sometimes dozen of minutes before the actual encounter. A good look-out must be able to see with precision very far. For that reason, the best look-out will be the one with the best vision possible. And, if we assume that the One Piece world is similar to our earth with it's curvature, the best look-out is the one that can go the highest.

Here are the differences of distance to hozizon in relation to the eyesights levels (if we assume that we are on a clear sky):

- A strawhat on the deck (around 5 meters above sea level): 7,98 Kilometers
- A strawhat on the lookout (around 56 meters above sea level): 26,7 Kilometers
- A strawhat that can jump high and fast (around 156 meters above sea level): 44,6 Kilometers

This is the importance of a look-out. The higher the protagonist can go, the better the job.

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So.. with that in mind, Carrot is outclassed by none other that : ZERO member of the crew. Even Sanji can't jump as fast and as high as Carrot into the air. Carrot has the advantage of her rabbit abilities : She can jump fast / High / and stay for a while in the air. Making possible for her to look for multiple seconds on 360°.. and making her the best look out there is.

Now.. there is a very huge problem with your argumentation (but also with the argumentation of most Yamato fans here".. It's that your vision is only focused on one argument at a time.


Let me show you what I face with you guyz:


Me: "Carrot has every qualities to be a good look-out as I have demonstrated"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhats only because she has the capacity for the look out post is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has every quality to be a strawhat starting with the crew dynamic that is extremmely powerful"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she is friends with Chopper Nami brook and Sanji is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has the perfect characterization to be a strawhat from her huge symbolism background to her character to her vision of life and adventure"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she loves adventure and is naive is dumb."

Me: "Carrot has almost every parameters that Backstory usually gives to the strawhats, therefore we can consider that she won't need one. And it makes sence from a marketing standpoint."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat without backstory is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has a strong moral pillar in the character of Pedro, she lost a lot with his death, this adds depth to her character and her purpose"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because of a so called tragedy is dumb."

Me: "Carrot demonstrated what I call a shining Nakama action, those type of action only appears for the strawhats, they are the perfect mix of their capacity for their job and their character. Those actions are decisives to spot a strawhat."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she used Sulong is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has been written really strangely in the story, she was not written really as a protagonist, but not as a background character either. Their is strange something behind this narrative artefact.. as if Oda was purposely keeping her in the shadow while developping her..."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because Oda focused on her on one chapter is dumb. Carrot is irrelevant."

Me: "Carrot's defeat has been written like a challenge to the character. The words of Perospero is showing us that Odaprepared that defeat from the moment she jumped on the ship.. this defeat will therefore surely leads to something important relating to her vision of piracy and the sea in general"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because Perospero is talking to her is dumb. You are overanalysing. Carrot took an L. Oda told us clearly that Carrot was irrelevant by making Perospero say that Carrot should eat grass."

Me: "Carrot is.."
Contradictor: "You are dumb and you think you are better than us"

Me: "Carrot has been constructing clearly as a strawhats"
Contradictor: "See how dumb you are, you just made a grammar mistake, nobody takes you seriously"

-- This

Is everyday on this forum. Sometimes from multiple person at once. But as I HOPE you can see.. the problem is not in the provocation...

It is with the two words "only because".

For some reason, some of you guyz are unable to understand that a theory doesn't hold only on one argument at a time.

A theory is an addition of evidences! You can't just take one argument, and expect that this argument alone will holds the theory.

My CarrotForNakama theory is TWENTY TWO articles long on my blog!!! And I'm only at 75 % !!! This is work. This is multiple evidences. I do not believe that Carrot will become a strawhat only because she can jump high..

I believe that she will become a strawhat because this is one of DOZENS of parameters !

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Oh I see.. You don't understand that when I say that "I'm comparing the moments" I mean listing Robin and Carrot's moments.

Understandable.. and I stand by everything I said ;)

But the problem is that what you are trying to do, is comparing those moments between them. In other words you don't understand that you shouldn't compare the value of those moment, you only need to list them.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-and-the-grand-fleet.79/page-835#post-2552774

You didn’t say you were comparing the moments. In fact, you never mentioned anything about moments. You said “did” not “moments”

You were the one who clearly said you were comparing them, then twisting words by saying that I shouldn’t compare them, but list them, while it’s obvious you were the one who did that

But I guess that you won't understand that either.. as your whole purpose here.. is not to have an intelligent conversation, but to be provocative.

You were the one who got banned, not me, means that you’re the one whose purpose here is not to have an intelligent conversation, but to be provocative
:cheers:

 

[Logiko]

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-and-the-grand-fleet.79/page-835#post-2552774

You didn’t say you were comparing the moments. In fact, you never mentioned anything about moments. You said “did” not “moments”

You were the one who clearly said you were comparing them, then twisting words by saying that I shouldn’t compare them, but list them, while it’s obvious you were the one who did that




You were the one who got banned, not me, means that you’re the one whose purpose here is not to have an intelligent conversation, but to be provocative
:cheers:

ok

 

[Animangaboy]

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already explained

But where did the states that the crew need a lookout person? That is the point and saying that she had 75% is a little far fetched but hey u believe in what u believe cause she is lacking something that everyone has such is a reason and purpose u saying not having a backstory doesn't which it does cause how will we know carrot as a character than being a childish happy rabbit. It's your beliefs

 

[Logiko]

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But where did the states that the crew need a lookout person? That is the point and saying that she had 75% is a little far fetched but hey u believe in what u believe cause she is lacking something that everyone has such is a reason and purpose u saying not having a backstory doesn't which it does cause how will we know carrot as a character than being a childish happy rabbit. It's your beliefs

No beliefs here, only evidences, knowledge and narratif logic.

The crew started to need a look out person the moment that this look-out post was vital to them. You can point that to any moment in the story where the look out is important.. but the most important one is the race to escape Big Mom. Carrot has the look out was vital in that Moment.

 

[Animangaboy]

No beliefs here, only evidences, knowledge and narratif logic.

The crew started to need a look out person the moment that this look-out post was vital to them. You can point that to any moment in the story where the look out is important.. but the most important one is the race to escape Big Mom. Carrot has the look out was vital in that Moment.

Where is the evidence cause nami brook chopper and Pedro even help with the lookout don't say carrot Was THE STAR OF THE LOOKOUT
Nami was helping jinbei to dodge smoothie attacks
Chopper tells them when bigmom was coming back. Okay there was more thing that they do not carrot only okay

 

[Monkey D Al]

Oh I see.. You don't understand that when I say that "I'm comparing the moments" I mean listing Robin and Carrot's moments.

Understandable.. and I stand by everything I said ;)

But the problem is that what you are trying to do, is comparing those moments between them. In other words you don't understand that you shouldn't compare the value of those moment, you only need to list them.

But I guess that you won't understand that either.. as your whole purpose here.. is not to have an intelligent conversation, but to be provocative.



I already explained that here:




Now.. there is a very huge problem with your argumentation (but also with the argumentation of most Yamato fans here".. It's that your vision is only focused on one argument at a time.


Let me show you what I face with you guyz:


Me: "Carrot has every qualities to be a good look-out as I have demonstrated"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhats only because she has the capacity for the look out post is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has every quality to be a strawhat starting with the crew dynamic that is extremmely powerful"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she is friends with Chopper Nami brook and Sanji is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has the perfect characterization to be a strawhat from her huge symbolism background to her character to her vision of life and adventure"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she loves adventure and is naive is dumb."

Me: "Carrot has almost every parameters that Backstory usually gives to the strawhats, therefore we can consider that she won't need one. And it makes sence from a marketing standpoint."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat without backstory is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has a strong moral pillar in the character of Pedro, she lost a lot with his death, this adds depth to her character and her purpose"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because of a so called tragedy is dumb."

Me: "Carrot demonstrated what I call a shining Nakama action, those type of action only appears for the strawhats, they are the perfect mix of their capacity for their job and their character. Those actions are decisives to spot a strawhat."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she used Sulong is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has been written really strangely in the story, she was not written really as a protagonist, but not as a background character either. Their is strange something behind this narrative artefact.. as if Oda was purposely keeping her in the shadow while developping her..."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because Oda focused on her on one chapter is dumb. Carrot is irrelevant."

Me: "Carrot's defeat has been written like a challenge to the character. The words of Perospero is showing us that Odaprepared that defeat from the moment she jumped on the ship.. this defeat will therefore surely leads to something important relating to her vision of piracy and the sea in general"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because Perospero is talking to her is dumb. You are overanalysing. Carrot took an L. Oda told us clearly that Carrot was irrelevant by making Perospero say that Carrot should eat grass."

Me: "Carrot is.."
Contradictor: "You are dumb and you think you are better than us"

Me: "Carrot has been constructing clearly as a strawhats"
Contradictor: "See how dumb you are, you just made a grammar mistake, nobody takes you seriously"

-- This

Is everyday on this forum. Sometimes from multiple person at once. But as I HOPE you can see.. the problem is not in the provocation...

It is with the two words "only because".

For some reason, some of you guyz are unable to understand that a theory doesn't hold only on one argument at a time.

A theory is an addition of evidences! You can't just take one argument, and expect that this argument alone will holds the theory.

My CarrotForNakama theory is TWENTY TWO articles long on my blog!!! And I'm only at 75 % !!! This is work. This is multiple evidences. I do not believe that Carrot will become a strawhat only because she can jump high..

I believe that she will become a strawhat because this is one of DOZENS of parameters !

We face the same problem with you.

we: explaine why those arguments and points are read to deep by you and are not that meaning full
You without reading and trying to understand:
WRONG carrot can do this and that and has had moments with the strawhats

I’m gonna list a few things that all strawhats have in common.

unique designs
Yamato check
Carrot nope
backstory shown
Yamato check
Carrot nope
Has major fight or important task in an arc
Yamato check and check
Carrot nope

sorry but carrot is just a character like any other and that’s it

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Caribou >>>>> your stupid ass candidates

Caribou is too good for Luffy. Urogue should recruit him

 

[Logiko]

Where is the evidence cause nami brook chopper and Pedro even help with the lookout don't say carrot Was THE STAR OF THE LOOKOUT
Nami was helping jinbei to dodge smoothie attacks
Chopper tells them when bigmom was coming back. Okay there was more thing that they do not carrot only okay

Nami and Brook didn't helped for the look out, only CHopper did. But Chopper is not a look out he only went up to help Carrot. But that's for another reason:


You see the realtion between Chopper and Carrot is particuliar. At first glance, you could say that Chopper is the leader and Carrot is following him. But when you look closer to the relationship, you witness that it's the other way around. In fact this is a known trope. I don't really know how it's called so let's name it, "the capable girl behind the curtain". Let me explain:

Chopper is treating Carrot as his little sister, he is very protective of her. And you can see that in whole cake he was trying to order her around.. But in fact.. Carrot was following him out of pure goofyness.. SHe is the one who managed to trick Brulee, she is the one who found the strawhats with drawings, and finally she is the one who named CHopper "Choniki". Chopper might be very protective but CArrot is in fact very capable, but she doesn't show it. And this is why chapter 888 was so impatcfull : Oda played with the trope during the entire arc to make Carrot shine close to its end. And you can look at the reactions of chopper.. he is flabbergasted.. But this was prepared all along.

So.. When Chopper is posted in the look out post, this is because he is protective of her, he wants to help her.. But Carrot is in fact perfectly capable of doing this alone. In fact she was the look out for the entirety of the end of the arc.

At the end, Carrot is the only one really fit for the post of Sentry (this is a two way post). She has the jumping power, the Sulong and the experience. Carrot is therefore perfect for a role that has been heavily setup in the story now.

 

[Animangaboy]

Nami and Brook didn't helped for the look out, only CHopper did. But Chopper is not a look out he only went up to help Carrot. But that's for another reason:


You see the realtion between Chopper and Carrot is particuliar. At first glance, you could say that Chopper is the leader and Carrot is following him. But when you look closer to the relationship, you witness that it's the other way around. In fact this is a known trope. I don't really know how it's called so let's name it, "the capable girl behind the curtain". Let me explain:

Chopper is treating Carrot as his little sister, he is very protective of her. And you can see that in whole cake he was trying to order her around.. But in fact.. Carrot was following him out of pure goofyness.. SHe is the one who managed to trick Brulee, she is the one who found the strawhats with drawings, and finally she is the one who named CHopper "Choniki". Chopper might be very protective but CArrot is in fact very capable, but she doesn't show it. And this is why chapter 888 was so impatcfull : Oda played with the trope during the entire arc to make Carrot shine close to its end. And you can look at the reactions of chopper.. he is flabbergasted.. But this was prepared all along.

So.. When Chopper is posted in the look out post, this is because he is protective of her, he wants to help her.. But Carrot is in fact perfectly capable of doing this alone. In fact she was the look out for the entirety of the end of the arc.

At the end, Carrot is the only one really fit for the post of Sentry (this is a two way post). She has the jumping power, the Sulong and the experience. Carrot is therefore perfect for a role that has been heavily setup in the story now.

So u are going to forget the smoothie attacks then? Okay u are so far up.
Also, u don't even answer the opening question because the one piece opening always give us spoilers for both manga reader and Anime watcher but carrot wasn't in the opening

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We face the same problem with you.

we: explaine why those arguments and points are read to deep by you and are not that meaning full
You without reading and trying to understand:
WRONG carrot can do this and that and has had moments with the strawhats

I’m gonna list a few things that all strawhats have in common.

unique designs
Yamato check
Carrot nope
backstory shown
Yamato check
Carrot nope
Has major fight or important task in an arc
Yamato check and check
Carrot nope

sorry but carrot is just a character like any other and that’s it

Also Opening
Yamato Check
Carrot nope
Promotional for the Wano including important character
Yamato check
Carrot nope

 

[Logiko]

we: explaine why those arguments and points are read to deep by you and are not that meaning full
You without reading and trying to understand:
WRONG carrot can do this and that and has had moments with the strawhats

You see, the problem is that I gave actual argumentation and narrative logic based on real knowledge of storytelling.

In return you are only replying that I don't know what I am talking about and that I am overanalysing.

This is not a debate. This is like a scientist having a discussion with a flat earther.

unique designs
Yamato check
Carrot nope

Wrong Carrot has a unique design. The use of the green color for the capa and the orange outfit is a perfect play on the word "CArrot" while giving us clews on the free spirit of the character while even giving us information on the emotional stance of the character. Adding to that the bightness of Carrot's hair you get a very fun character characterized with a simple look as a bright individual.

This... is the proof of an efficiant and therefore good design.

And yes Yamato has also a good design (not unique tho as it is derived from Oden's)

backstory shown
Yamato check
Carrot nope

You forgot to note what is in the backstory.

Content of the usual backstories shown:

For Carrot, Yes
For Yamato, NO (it's missing key narrative elements)

Has major fight or important task in an arc
Yamato check and check
Carrot nope

Wrong, Carrot had that on whole cake.

sorry but carrot is just a character like any other and that’s it

Sorry but again.. This is the proof that if you keep giving be surface arguments.. I'll still be able to give you strong narrative ones.

Carrot will join the crew, the story is pointing toward that. There is nothing you can do about it.

So u are going to forget the smoothie attacks then? Okay u are so far up.

That was not a look out warning

Also, u don't even answer the opening question because the one piece opening always give us spoilers for both manga reader and Anime watcher but carrot wasn't in the opening

Also Opening
Yamato Check
Carrot nope
Promotional for the Wano including important character
Yamato check
Carrot nope

The anime is not Canon material. If you really want to quote the anime, I'll start to take every exemple where Carrot is more highlighted than Yamato and the moment when Carrot speaks about reaching the dawn... and we will have a fun field trip together.

Not sure you wanna do that.

 

[Animangaboy]

And yes Yamato has also a good design (not unique tho as it is derived from Oden's)

Please Yamato's character design is so perfect from her hair to devil fruit hybrid form meanwhile carrot is just a rabbit that transforms once a full moon

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That was not a look out warning

How did Nami see the attacks then also she told jinbei where to go really???

 

[Logiko]

Please Yamato's character design is so perfect from her hair to devil fruit hybrid form meanwhile carrot is just a rabbit that transforms once a full moon

And still.. their design is on the same level. The only reason Yamato's design "feels" stronger to the average fanbase is:

- She looks mature
- She looks strong
- She looks like Oden
- Her color match her hair
- Her design is fancy (not a good things actually)
- Having white hair is not something common

There is nothing really impressive at all. The basic thing is that yamato feels strong.. which means that it fits its purpose. Just like Carrot's design fits his purpose.

 

[Animangaboy]

The anime is not Canon material. If you really want to quote the anime, I'll start to take every exemple where Carrot is more highlighted than Yamato and the moment when Carrot speaks about reaching the dawn... and we will have a fun field trip together.

Not sure you wanna do that.

The anime is canon because they was the one that spoiled us about Denjiro reveal and also carrot wasn't more highlighted than Yamato u are kidding me 🤣 and Yamato is the one talking about the dawn in the manga and anime, not carrot just like in chapter 1041 🤭 tomorrow going to be an episode of Yamato and Ace with more scene add by Oda remember that oda watch the animation first before even released 🤗😌

 

[Logiko]

The anime is canon because they was the one that spoiled us about Denjiro reveal and also carrot wasn't more highlighted than Yamato u are kidding me 🤣 and Yamato is the one talking about the dawn in the manga and anime, not carrot just like in chapter 1041 🤭 tomorrow going to be an episode of Yamato and Ace with more scene add by Oda remember that oda watch the animation first before even released 🤗😌

The anime spoiling Denjiro is a conspiracy theory. It never happened. This was just a big coincidence. And yeah carrot as been highlighted as a strawhat more than ever in the anime. Carrot talked about the dawn in the anime. it's a fact. Go watch it again.

 

[Animangaboy]

And still.. their design is on the same level. The only reason Yamato's design "feels" stronger to the average fanbase is:

- She looks mature
- She looks strong
- She looks like Oden
- Her color match her hair
- Her design is fancy (not a good things actually)
- Having white hair is not something common

There is nothing really impressive at all. The basic thing is that yamato feels strong.. which means that it fits its purpose. Just like Carrot's design fits his purpose.

Whete the fuk Yamato do look like Oden? Yamato skin is lighter than oden and also Yamato is an Oni an ancient giant her and kaido is different species from oden really?
So what is she look strong?

 

[Logiko]

Whete the fuk Yamato do look like Oden? Yamato skin is lighter than oden and also Yamato is an Oni an ancient giant her and kaido is different species from oden really?
So what is she look strong?

Yeah.. if you don't see that Yamato's design is derived from Oden's design I really don't know what to tell you..

Looking strong is the purpose of Yamato's design, just like looking bright (in the sence showing that Carrot is a Sunny like Character) is the purpose of Carrot's one in base form and Looking mystical is the pupose of her design in Sulong form.

Design have purposes, they are not just here to be fancy and show shiny colors.

 

[Animangaboy]

The anime spoiling Denjiro is a conspiracy theory. It never happened. This was just a big coincidence. And yeah carrot as been highlighted as a strawhat more than ever in the anime. Carrot talked about the dawn in the anime. it's a fact. Go watch it again.

U are lying cause no one that Denjiro's secret carrot wasn't there where the STRAWHATS was about celebrating jinbei official only when she was hugging him then disappeared when they were attacking the base when nami chopper and usopp was being coward.
Also when the manga we see that person look at jinbei and robin it was Yamato watching robin and Jinbei in the anime so stop saying the anime isn't canon because it is

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Yeah.. if you don't see that Yamato's design is derived from Oden's design I really don't know what to tell you..

Looking strong is the purpose of Yamato's design, just like looking bright (in the sence showing that Carrot is a Sunny like Character) is the purpose of Carrot's one in base form and Looking mystical is the pupose of her design in Sulong form.

Design have purposes, they are not just here to be fancy and show shiny colors.

Please carrot sulong form isn't that mystical just electric and longer hair and red eyes and look at Yamato and oden if u think they look alike in character-wise u are crazy

 

[Monkey D Al]

You see, the problem is that I gave actual argumentation and narrative logic based on real knowledge of storytelling.

In return you are only replying that I don't know what I am talking about and that I am overanalysing.

This is not a debate. This is like a scientist having a discussion with a flat earther.




Wrong Carrot has a unique design. The use of the green color for the capa and the orange outfit is a perfect play on the word "CArrot" while giving us clews on the free spirit of the character while even giving us information on the emotional stance of the character. Adding to that the bightness of Carrot's hair you get a very fun character characterized with a simple look as a bright individual.

This... is the proof of an efficiant and therefore good design.

And yes Yamato has also a good design (not unique tho as it is derived from Oden's)



You forgot to note what is in the backstory.

Content of the usual backstories shown:

For Carrot, Yes
For Yamato, NO (it's missing key narrative elements)



Wrong, Carrot had that on whole cake.




Sorry but again.. This is the proof that if you keep giving be surface arguments.. I'll still be able to give you strong narrative ones.

Carrot will join the crew, the story is pointing toward that. There is nothing you can do about it.




That was not a look out warning







The anime is not Canon material. If you really want to quote the anime, I'll start to take every exemple where Carrot is more highlighted than Yamato and the moment when Carrot speaks about reaching the dawn... and we will have a fun field trip together.

Not sure you wanna do that.

Men, I won’t spend to much time replying here.

this is the reason I say you read to much into it:

Wrong Carrot has a unique design. The use of the green color for the capa and the orange outfit is a perfect play on the word "CArrot" while giving us clews on the free spirit of the character while even giving us information on the emotional stance of the character. Adding to that the bightness of Carrot's hair you get a very fun character characterized with a simple look as a bright individual.

a unique character design is seen right away you don’t have to read into it.

But you have to come up with stuff to make it fit your narrative.
Lets bet then, I’d Yamato joins you make admit that you were wrong here and tag the hole forum and then delete your account.
If Carrot joins I’ll do it.

 

[Animangaboy]

Carrot talked about the dawn in the anime

When are u going to stop telling lies no one talks about the dawn just watch episode 1009 except for Yamato and momo Wanda says that Pedro killed himself for luffy and the other not for the damn dawn.... I know u want a reason but didn't think u will lie for one