Who will be the next Strawhat


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Luffy's moment with Franky was when he placed Robin's fate- the sole reason they were in EL- in his hands. That's the moment that the Luffy- Franky relationship fully turns around from adversarial to comradely.

And he did know his name there



And this came when the crew were openly looking for a shipwright, when he'd been given a multi-chapter flashback detailing his relationship with Tom and how that tied in to the main plot in the arc- Robin and CP9. Franky was obviously joining from the minute we had his flashback.

Franky and Luffy had an actual story- mutual dislike at first, Franky then turning and placing all his hopes in the Strawhats, Luffy in turn placing the responsibility for Robin on his shoulders, then him finally making the ship for them.

Luffy and Carrot don't have a story. Luffy and Franky (and Luffy and Robin) was at least interesting because that was something that started off adversarial then turned into friendship. With Carrot there's just this... beige, dull friendship that isn't really focused on or interesting at all, especially compared to the other Strawhats. Luffy hasn't liked every Strawhat immediately, but there has always been something interesting about Luffy's interactions with them prior to them joining. I can't think of a single strong Carrot/Luffy interaction in what is coming up to two hundred chapters (a length of time in which every other Strawhat has been at least invited to join the crew, even if Jinbei hadn't fully accepted yet). Even Pedro dying in front of his eyes- Luffy genuinely seems to care more about Oden, who he's never met.

And now she is supposed to spark his attention in a cast of hundreds (slight exaggeration of course), where there's so many other characters that Oda has focused on instead of her. Even her big trump card of Su Long isn't going to be special, cause we're going to see all the other Minks do it as well- and it'll be new to us seeing that, whereas we've already seen Carrot's. And to make matters worse, Luffy is currently hanging around with the daughter of the main villain who is an associate of his beloved, dead older brother. I doubt Yamato will join the crew, but she's sure as hell got more setup to be important in the Wano endgame than Carrot.
I mean, you brought up a bunch of other arguments that I can get behind but they have nothing to do with what I was talking about. Yeah, the flashback was a huge indicator. Carrot hasn't had that and that's an argument against her. I was just saying that I don't think the relationship with Luffy argument works because Franky didn't have that until just before the end, as you yourself just showed, and if Carrot goes the same route, you would not nessesarily expect her to have that connection with him until a significant moment near the end of Wano.
 
I mean, you brought up a bunch of other arguments that I can get behind but they have nothing to do with what I was talking about. Yeah, the flashback was a huge indicator. Carrot hasn't had that and that's an argument against her. I was just saying that I don't think the relationship with Luffy argument works because Franky didn't have that until just before the end, as you yourself just showed, and if Carrot goes the same route, you would not nessesarily expect her to have that connection with him until a significant moment near the end of Wano.
Franky did have a relationship with Luffy though. An unfriendly one, but still a relationship. Oda spent time building up an personal enmity between Luffy and Franky in early W7, culminating in them having a fight which ended, crucially, in Franky having a begrudging respect for Luffy. That fight, unfriendly and brief as it was, showed more of the relationship between the two characters than anything that Luffy's had with Carrot- and that's including Pedro's death.

On that note, I just reread Pedro's death scene there, and I am very suspicious of Katakuri asking why everyone was emotional after Pedro's death. Odd way to mock someone, if it even was mocking. I'm not even entirely sure it would be in character for Katakuri to do so, although I'd need to reread to remember more about Katakuri's pre-respect for Luffy personality. Did he actually sense Pedro and Perospero were still alive, being the CoO expert, and that's why he was saying there was no need for emotion?
 
I am not Carrot heavy-stan yet but the moment when Carrot nearly killed Luffy for eating her 'ehem...carrot' I can hear bell ringing there. I can imagine what dynamics will happen in the future. Although maybe after 100 chapters she won't join the crew, I know her fate will be bigger than some important minks.

With Yamato, I am not against her join the crew, but she didn't have her own dream for now. Her dream is similar to Jinbe but she's not a frontrunner like Jinbe is. Once she know Red Scabbards are still alive, will she continue to do like what she's done so far or will she do other things? She didn't even give me a reason why she will join the crew if at some point she will give in her 'inspired by Oden' dream to Red Scabbards or Momo.

At least Carrot has somewhat cliche dream like wanting an adventure but I'm still hold on to what Pedro's last word. No other Mink in her level so far (neko and inu are above her) that share the same way she felt toward pedro and DAWN OF THE WORLD.

So its better to wait first. You can make an argument and challenge each other opinion but you can't slutshame Carrot (is that a right word?) just because she's furry when you praise Yamato because she's strong (for now) and it's clearly Oda created her just to satisfy some 'strong woman' thirsty fan and has potential to be ended as a damsel (yeah yeah i know it's boring reason).

I mean IMO Carrot is not a better character to begin with but she's easily a way better character to develop compared to Yamato.

PS: You can't tell people to stop wishing Carrot joining the crew when many people out there still hope Monet's alive. And I'm Monet stan. Her design is unique that I feel Oda wasted her potential story, at least give her tashigi/alvida style with wings if he really wanted to kill her.


Sorry my english is not that good. English is my fourth language.
 
Carrotstans be like Yamato doesn't have a dream to herself instead its someone elses...
Uhhh isn't that going to be Carrot if she takes Pedro's dream?
Logic fails.
I really understand what you mean. But Yamato at least shared Oden's dream with red scabbards. On the other hand if Carrot decide to continue Pedro's dream she didn't share it with other mink that has same level with her. And Carrot has reserved dream (adventure) Yamato didn't (so far)
 
Carrot has had 200ish chapters, Yamato has 5 ish panels. Jumping the gun are we?
It's not a reason to slutshame her and wish her to die. She has 200 chapter but can you count how many panel she's in? I'm glad if you can do it for me.

And it's better to wait right? Carrot stan wait her last red flag (pedro's alive). Yamato stan wait for any flashback/green lamp chapter that will determine her fate
 
It's not a reason to slutshame her and wish her to die. She has 200 chapter but can you count how many panel she's in? I'm glad if you can do it for me.

And it's better to wait right? Carrot stan wait her last red flag (pedro's alive). Yamato stan wait for any flashback/green lamp chapter that will determine her fate
The fuck are you going on about? Slutshaming? Are you high?
When Did I ever do that?

As for wishing her to die; Yeah alot of us do.

Fucking ridiculous. If anything your side needs to calm their tits.
 
Franky did have a relationship with Luffy though. An unfriendly one, but still a relationship. Oda spent time building up an personal enmity between Luffy and Franky in early W7, culminating in them having a fight which ended, crucially, in Franky having a begrudging respect for Luffy. That fight, unfriendly and brief as it was, showed more of the relationship between the two characters than anything that Luffy's had with Carrot- and that's including Pedro's death.

On that note, I just reread Pedro's death scene there, and I am very suspicious of Katakuri asking why everyone was emotional after Pedro's death. Odd way to mock someone, if it even was mocking. I'm not even entirely sure it would be in character for Katakuri to do so, although I'd need to reread to remember more about Katakuri's pre-respect for Luffy personality. Did he actually sense Pedro and Perospero were still alive, being the CoO expert, and that's why he was saying there was no need for emotion?
Fair enough. I didn't consider the negative relationship counting.

@Kafkananta did you mean to say Jinbei WAS a front-runner? Because he is no longer a front-runner, he's officially in the crew.
 
Lol. Carrot haters don't know what character development even mean it seems.

But you're right that yamato and Carrot are worlds apart : so far, Carrot is leagues beyond Yamato in all the departmenert which matters for a good storyteller.
I don't know, but Carrot fans on this thread are the most fake and crooked sack of poop i ever seen.

It ain't hard to beat Carrot in character development since this is the extent of it.


Character development is the process and execution of creating a fully rounded and complex character, within your fictional writing with the purpose of making readers invested in them and their life or journey.


Yeah, Carrot is a whole bunch of nothingness stitched together with cliches, she's not complex, she has no will of her own, she's not unique, she has no quirks and she has no worthy goals. She's a damn puppet, she's pinocchio before he was given life to it though cooler and with powers. That's why i'm not invested in Carrot and her life. On top of that her character is incredibly incoherent.

Saying that Carrot is leagues above Yamato when she's as developed as Tilestone is an insult to Oda's talent.



Also for Chopper @Albino 👑 @Garp the Fist an argument could be made that Chopper already learned and implemented one of his new ability from a mink. Kung Fu point from Bepo.
 
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Lol so many arguments in the comments section about Carrot lol.

I just want Yamato to join, if she joins then I won't care if carrot joins or not. The truth is that the straw hats crew is already reaching the full limit, it took so long just for jinbe to join because of this and after him there won't be much more people joining. If that's the case, then anybody who joins after jinbe should be cool and interesting, oda has been careful about this ever since chopper joined back in the Alabasta Saga. Chopper a talking reindeer, Robin who can read ponyglyphs, franky who is a cyborg and brook a skeleton, all vastly different people and walks of life. Now add in jinbe a fishman and former shichibukai.

The problem I have with carrot and why she ain't on the top of my list, is simply because she just ain't interesting enough for me, and sorry her joining the ride to WCI, her interactions with luffy, Pedro's death, Sulong and whatever else you wanna throw in, it all just isn't interesting enough for me. Sulong was a cool transformation though I admit. Hell, the beast pirates are just introduced this arc and visually and personality wise they are far more interesting than carrot. Black Maria, Ulti and now Yamato left more of an lasting impression on me in only a few chapters than what Carrot has been shown for 3 arcs now ever since Zou.

If oda wanted Carrot to join, then he should have just done it from the start, the dragging out of the Carrot tease is just making me lose interest in her every time. And every new cool character introduced in Wano doesn't help either, for me it just accelerates the problems for Carrot.
 
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