Character Discussion No Samurai/Swordsman will be has strong has Oden

So Oden 20 years ago is stronger than current Mihawk.
the difference in power would be minimal either way. I give it to Mihawk though.
If A swordsman matches oden 20 years ago, that swordsman is stronger than Mihawk.
and how exactly would someone do that? what is the requirement?
Kaido is already damaged. even if someone defeats him now it will not be their own feat alone. Oden almost did Kaido in AFTER he fought himself a path towards him. then theres the fact that its 20y ago Kaido vs present. also makes a difference.
So if Zoro cuts Kaido, he's stronger than Mihawk?
read above. no.
idk why some always have to look at things as black and white.
 
then theres the fact that its 20y ago Kaido vs present
Exactly. Current laid is stronger than 20 years ago laid right?

If Zoro for example CUTS OFF KAIDO'S ARM, what do you think? Is Zoro basically stronger than Oden 20 years ago?

Oden was strong going to beat Kaido purely based on his DC. His attacks were strong enough to rock Kaido from 20 years ago. So if Zoro does as much or more damage to current Kaido, doesn't that mean he's at the very least as Strong as Oden?

Meaning Zoro should be able to beat Mihawk by the end of Wano
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
Exactly. Current laid is stronger than 20 years ago laid right?

If Zoro for example CUTS OFF KAIDO'S ARM, what do you think? Is Zoro basically stronger than Oden 20 years ago?

Oden was strong going to beat Kaido purely based on his DC. His attacks were strong enough to rock Kaido from 20 years ago. So if Zoro does as much or more damage to current Kaido, doesn't that mean he's at the very least as Strong as Oden?

Meaning Zoro should be able to beat Mihawk by the end of Wano
I would not go as far as equalling Oden to Shanks, let alone Mihawk.

Kaido was still not a Yonko back then, evidence does suggest that Current Kaido turned somewhat more powerful. We don't know to which extent, probably not much given he still has nightmares around the Oden events, but Shanks doesn't look inferior to Kaido at all, at least from their meeting happening during the Mf arc.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Kaido was still not a Yonko back then
Nobody else was a Yonko either and being recognized as one doesnt make anyone stronger than they were before the title.
evidence does suggest that Current Kaido turned somewhat more powerful. We don't know to which extent
Considering that even 20 years ago nobody could have beaten him according to Oden, I dont think there is any need for him to become stronger individually. His forces grew but he himself, unlikely. Narratively, there is no point in the strongest guy to grow even stronger.
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
Nobody else was a Yonko either and being recognized as one doesnt make anyone stronger than they were before the title.

Considering that even 20 years ago nobody could have beaten him according to Oden, I dont think there is any need for him to become stronger individually. His forces grew but he himself, unlikely. Narratively, there is no point in the strongest guy to grow even stronger.
Where did Oden state that no one was a match for Kaido?

The likes of Roger and Whitebeard were alive back then and we even had the likes of Prime Garp walking around.

If that was true this would make Oden possibly the strongest guy who ever lived which is too illogical. Or for sure stronger than Roger and Whitebeard.

I can't buy that honestly. I can hardly buy that Kaido's WSC title refers to all living beings, it's too soon for the strongest alive being to go down. The SHs are powerful but not enough to put down someone who would then be Primebeard level or something.
 
Exactly. Current laid is stronger than 20 years ago laid right?

If Zoro for example CUTS OFF KAIDO'S ARM, what do you think? Is Zoro basically stronger than Oden 20 years ago?

Oden was strong going to beat Kaido purely based on his DC. His attacks were strong enough to rock Kaido from 20 years ago. So if Zoro does as much or more damage to current Kaido, doesn't that mean he's at the very least as Strong as Oden?

Meaning Zoro should be able to beat Mihawk by the end of Wano
cherrypicking from what I said, huh?
if Zoro does something like that then it still remains that Zoro has not done so alone. while Oden did. wether Kaido is stronger or not.
having the same offensive capabilities as Oden also does not make one as strong as Oden.
thats just 1 aspect of a fighter.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Where did Oden state that no one was a match for Kaido?
The likes of Roger and Whitebeard were alive back then and we even had the likes of Prime Garp walking around.

If that was true this would make Oden possibly the strongest guy who ever lived which is too illogical. Or for sure stronger than Roger and Whitebeard.
Not sure how you got to that conclusion but its incorrect either way.

I can't buy that honestly. I can hardly buy that Kaido's WSC title refers to all living beings, it's too soon for the strongest alive being to go down. The SHs are powerful but not enough to put down someone who would then be Primebeard level or something.
Kaido is the only character ever who Oda hyped up by listing his loses. No one ever will receive such a treatment.
Oda made it clear, several times, that Kaido is nr1. Whether people buy it or not, isnt really of Oda's concern...
 
having the same offensive capabilities as Oden also does not make one as strong as Oden.
thats just 1 aspect of a fighter.
Of course but aren't we talking about kaido.

To kaido, his measure of what the scabbards are against Oden is based purely on whether they can cut as deep as Oden right?

We are talking in context of what Kaido said.

If Zoro cuts current kaido as deeply or even deeper than Oden did to Kaido 20 years ago, what would Kaido say?
 
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