General & Others Nobody cares about clashes. Kizaru needs to go down

#41
Don't think so


This is more like an escape arc. All luffy fights with major characters are lengthy, takes time to build and are extreme diff.


Don't think this arc is meant for this
I mean, Luffy vs Katakuri is was 25 chapters in an escape arc lol.

This is not even remotely the same thing, the crew is under seige. This is exactly the type of arc to have battles, as last chapter Oda even highlights the 10 Marines spearheading the operation
 
#42
Make up your mind - you think kizaru going down or not? Lol
I'm only addressing his point. This doesn't have to do with me wanting him to go down or not.
"Nerfing" the enemy faction just before Luffy will beat them will take away from his accomplishment, if anything, it usually happens that they get even stronger before Luffy faces them.
 

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#44
I mean, Luffy vs Katakuri is was 25 chapters in an escape arc lol.

This is not even remotely the same thing, the crew is under seige. This is exactly the type of arc to have battles, as last chapter Oda even highlights the 10 Marines spearheading the operation
Wci was totally different from egghead.


First, WCI was huge when it comes to island span so escape route was longer giving room for a fight.

Then luffy defeated cracker and we saw a bit of build up for katakuri as well.



Egghead is totally different. Then, you have to ensure power plant is not destroyed. This means Kizaru can't go all out and thus it comes out as an opportunity for SHs to escape.


Then the strength of Mariners resemble a yonkou crew. I don't think oda will give another yonkou vs yonkou type battle just after wano
 
#46
Hard to see
The navy losing an Admiral doesn’t move the story forward, and the news of such event would be heard in every corner in the world, but it is not really that shocking, can’t see how that is more exciting than the legendary hero Garp falling in pirate island

Saturn getting kidnapped, now that’s proper news
 
#47
Wci was totally different from egghead.
Exactly? My point was that WCI was exactly the definition for an escape arc. This is not an escape arc. This is set up like a Seige. They literally need to fight their way out

Egghead is totally different. Then, you have to ensure power plant is not destroyed. This means Kizaru can't go all out and thus it comes out as an opportunity for SHs to escape.
There is nothing stating he wont. Realize that York's conversation with the Gorosei happens before she reveals she's captured. They now need to go all out to get back York, kill Stella and get the Seraphim

Then the strength of Mariners resemble a yonkou crew. I don't think oda will give another yonkou vs yonkou type battle just after wano
I disagree? Lol

That opinion is not matching the exact setup for the arc's content. How are we 30 chapters into egghead and think a full on battle isnt happening at this point? It took 20 chapters for Kizaru to even show up here, if it was going to be a fluke and an excape, then this shit would have played out like Fullalead did already, quick and over
 

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#48
Hard to see
The navy losing an Admiral doesn’t move the story forward, and the news of such event would be heard in every corner in the world, but it is not really that shocking, can’t see how that is more exciting than the legendary hero Garp falling in pirate island

Saturn getting kidnapped, now that’s proper news
I really don't buy these news stuffs. Oda and his editors often comes up with Bs stuffs.


But yeah neither kizaru going down nor Saturn getting kidnapped (if he is strong) makes sense.
 
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#49
Hard to see
The navy losing an Admiral doesn’t move the story forward, and the news of such event would be heard in every corner in the world, but it is not really that shocking, can’t see how that is more exciting than the legendary hero Garp falling in pirate island

Saturn getting kidnapped, now that’s proper news
BBP's capturing Kizaru (for the few who think it's possible) also doesn't make sense as Garp already has the same bounty and is a more famous Marine, the most famous to be precise.

For a kidnapping plot only Vegapunk or Saturn make sense
 

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#50
Exactly? My point was that WCI was exactly the definition for an escape arc. This is not an escape arc. This is set up like a Seige. They literally need to fight their way out


There is nothing stating he wont. Realize that York's conversation with the Gorosei happens before she reveals she's captured. They now need to go all out to get back York, kill Stella and get the Seraphim



I disagree? Lol

That opinion is jot matching the exact setup for the arc's content. How are we 30 chapters into egghead and think a full on battle isnt happening at this point? It took 20 chapters for Kizaru to even show up here, if it was going to be a fluke and an excape, then this shit would have played put like Fullalead did already, quick and over
Yes they have to force their way out but there is big issue with this....power plant.

You saw how much everyone was shocked hearing york is captured by luffy and how much they desired that power plant right?

A battle here means power plant is in danger and WG will not want that.


Now, situation is more favourable for SHs because they have everything in their hands.


Another concern is if Luffy beats kizaru then SHs will end up with power Plant. I don't see how oda will give SHs such massive boost of a weapon
 
#51
Yes they have to force their way out but there is big issue with this....power plant.

You saw how much everyone was shocked hearing york is captured by luffy and how much they desired that power plant right?

A battle here means power plant is in danger and WG will not want that.


Now, situation is more favourable for SHs because they have everything in their hands.


Another concern is if Luffy beats kizaru then SHs will end up with power Plant. I don't see how oda will give SHs such massive boost of a weapon
When has anything in this story actually favored the crew in terms of their initial plans working? It always ends up far more chaotic/destructive than it needs to be.

You know for a fact that that factory is done this arc lmao. Maybe some Mother Flames are already produced, but that shit will be destroyed just like the Smile factories were.
 
#53
If we want to enter logic into the discussion
The Five Elders must choose between obtaining the weapon and killing joy boy
Now that Luffy is like a mouse in a trap, I think it is the right time to destroy him and his crew
Also, a man with the speed of light and 30,000 people minimize the chance of escape...And also, if I am not mistaken, the narrator did not mention egghead's unfortunate incident?:zorothink:
 

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#54
When has anything in this story actually favored the crew in terms of their initial plans working? It always ends up far more chaotic/destructive than it needs to be.

You know for a fact that that factory is done this arc lmao. Maybe some Mother Flames are already produced, but that shit will be destroyed just like the Smile factories were.
Smiles were different.

Kaido already had immense procurement of it.

Here wg had used it only once and we still don't know what kind of a weapon they have or what mother flame is.

Can it be destroyed? Sure it's plausible but this will totally make whole hype about WG having a weapon that can destroy island redundant.

Not to mention, just in this chapter oda hyped the impact of that weapon - EQ all over the world and rise in water level.

Don't think oda will destroy this hype before final war by destroying that power plant unless he comes up with another way of giving mother flames to WG.
 
#55
Smiles were different.

Kaido already had immense procurement of it.

Here wg had used it only once and we still don't know what kind of a weapon they have or what mother flame is.

Can it be destroyed? Sure it's plausible but this will totally make whole hype about WG having a weapon that can destroy island redundant.

Not to mention, just in this chapter oda hyped the impact of that weapon - EQ all over the world and rise in water level.

Don't think oda will destroy this hype before final war by destroying that power plant unless he comes up with another way of giving mother flames to WG.

Like i said, you can destroy the plant and have the (alleged) fuel in limited quantities survive. Or just have the successfully take York. We need to stop acting like 30K marines arent here to fight just because of a factory. Nothing states Kizaru wont go all out based on circumstance
 

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#56
Like i said, you can destroy the plant and have the (alleged) fuel in limited quantities survive. Or just have the successfully take York. We need to stop acting like 30K marines arent here to fight just because of a factory. Nothing states Kizaru wont go all out based on circumstance
Those 30k Marines mean nothing to Luffy.

And, I told you that exact circumstances which makes kizaru going all out less likely because that's what this chapter was about.

Now you can come up with they might have spare fuel so power point can be destroyed...sure why not but as of now this is making wild guess
 
#57
Those 30k Marines mean nothing to Luffy.

And, I told you that exact circumstances which makes kizaru going all out less likely because that's what this chapter was about.

Now you can come up with they might have spare fuel so power point can be destroyed...sure why not but as of now this is making wild guess
Pot calling the kettle black lol, you are arbitrarily stating Kozaru cant fight properly based on some idea that HAS to destroy the factory if he does.

Just read the manga, the expectation is that a fight here is about to go down. Why is this so hard to believe lmao
 

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#58
Pot calling the kettle black lol, you are arbitrarily stating Kozaru cant fight properly based on some idea that HAS to destroy the factory if he does.

Just read the manga, the expectation is that a fight here is about to go down. Why is this so hard to believe lmao
So you think two yonkou level opponents will fight and whole island will be battle ground with their crew fighting each other disregarding the existence of power plant which WG seek? Lol
 
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